Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[juanrga]

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

 

[jdwii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0 For all those ivy bridge users. Might wanna check out the gains with skylake.

Still see no reason to upgrade my 3570k. :lol:

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

Juan lets not forget about Intel themselves.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

Sure apple accounts for some market of pc's in general. But a very very very niche market compared to linux and intel. Ibm doesn't really make consumer grade chips. So you can't really make a comparison in the pc specific market. In that sense neither does apple, as it's their own "custom" brand of pc. No matter what neither amd nor intel can be apart of that specific niche of market that apple owns. Arm is more mobile i don't really account that as pc marketing, but yes phone's do make a large market granted a different market then pc specific cpu's. So yes i guess if you think of anything that uses a processor then no intel isn't exactly at the top. But you also have to keep in mind a lot of those markets aren't markets apple being a prime example or console's running amd architecture. You can't really have a market if theirs only one choice and it's already been made, pre production.

 

[juanrga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0 For all those ivy bridge users. Might wanna check out the gains with skylake.

Still see no reason to upgrade my 3570k. :lol:

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

Juan lets not forget about Intel themselves.

Good point!

 

[juanrga]

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

Sure apple accounts for some market of pc's in general. But a very very very niche market compared to linux and intel. Ibm doesn't really make consumer grade chips. So you can't really make a comparison in the pc specific market. In that sense neither does apple, as it's their own "custom" brand of pc. No matter what neither amd nor intel can be apart of that specific niche of market that apple owns. Arm is more mobile i don't really account that as pc marketing, but yes phone's do make a large market granted a different market then pc specific cpu's. So yes i guess if you think of anything that uses a processor then no intel isn't exactly at the top. But you also have to keep in mind a lot of those markets aren't markets apple being a prime example or console's running amd architecture. You can't really have a market if theirs only one choice and it's already been made, pre production.

Desktop is dead. Apple is making its fortune from mobile, and Intel want that piece of that cake. That is why Intel spends Billions dollars, with B, trying to enter that market.

The other market that interest Intel is server/HPC. This is where Intel get most of its fortune. Intel is a direct competitor of IBM in servers and HPC. In fact from four top supercomputers recently announced two were win by Intel and two from IBM+Nvidia.

ARM is also in the radar of Intel, because is the most terrible competitor. ARM is entering the server market, which is the basis of Intel finances. The whole Broadwell-D series was launched to try to stop ARM microservers advance, for instance.

 

[fudgecakes99]

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

Sure apple accounts for some market of pc's in general. But a very very very niche market compared to linux and intel. Ibm doesn't really make consumer grade chips. So you can't really make a comparison in the pc specific market. In that sense neither does apple, as it's their own "custom" brand of pc. No matter what neither amd nor intel can be apart of that specific niche of market that apple owns. Arm is more mobile i don't really account that as pc marketing, but yes phone's do make a large market granted a different market then pc specific cpu's. So yes i guess if you think of anything that uses a processor then no intel isn't exactly at the top. But you also have to keep in mind a lot of those markets aren't markets apple being a prime example or console's running amd architecture. You can't really have a market if theirs only one choice and it's already been made, pre production.

Desktop is dead. Apple is making its fortune from mobile, and Intel want that piece of that cake. That is why Intel spends Billions dollars, with B, trying to enter that market.

The other market that interest Intel is server/HPC. This is where Intel get most of its fortune. Intel is a direct competitor of IBM in servers and HPC. In fact from four top supercomputers recently announced two were win by Intel and two from IBM+Nvidia.

ARM is also in the radar of Intel, because is the most terrible competitor. ARM is entering the server market, which is the basis of Intel finances. The whole Broadwell-D series was launched to try to stop ARM microservers advance, for instance.

I wouldn't say desktop is dead. True apple owns a fairly large market share of mobile, but androids pretty big and if intel wants to get into mobile it wouldn't too hard.

I doubt intel has much to worry about in the server market, but only time will tell.

 

[Cazalan]

Looks like Intel going to unveil a trick up their sleeves for mobile next week. Finally getting memory on the SoC. I wonder if that will include the DRAM and the Flash or just the DRAM.


"At the Intel Developer Forum 2015, which runs between August 18-20 through the upcoming Intel Investor Day, the company will introduce high powered processors, memory and communications capability packaged as a System on a Chip (SOC). Intel’s miniaturizing high power processors will power “supersmart-phones” within a year."

Edit: Samsung has a SoC with WideIO in design but for some reason has delayed shipping it. Removing all those pins for the DRAM makes for a much simpler package.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Samsung might be delaying it because they are having issues with it. They are not as experienced with CPUs let alone SoCs at the level Intel has. Intel has a lot longer history of working on SoCs and of course are more efficient in process technology.

 

[jdwii]

Spoiler

Of course capitalism also presumes there is fair competition. AMD is years behind Intel in innovation and there are no other competitors even close.

The competition for Intel is not AMD, the competition is IBM, Apple, and ARM in general.

Sure apple accounts for some market of pc's in general. But a very very very niche market compared to linux and intel. Ibm doesn't really make consumer grade chips. So you can't really make a comparison in the pc specific market. In that sense neither does apple, as it's their own "custom" brand of pc. No matter what neither amd nor intel can be apart of that specific niche of market that apple owns. Arm is more mobile i don't really account that as pc marketing, but yes phone's do make a large market granted a different market then pc specific cpu's. So yes i guess if you think of anything that uses a processor then no intel isn't exactly at the top. But you also have to keep in mind a lot of those markets aren't markets apple being a prime example or console's running amd architecture. You can't really have a market if theirs only one choice and it's already been made, pre production.

Desktop is dead. Apple is making its fortune from mobile, and Intel want that piece of that cake. That is why Intel spends Billions dollars, with B, trying to enter that market.

The other market that interest Intel is server/HPC. This is where Intel get most of its fortune. Intel is a direct competitor of IBM in servers and HPC. In fact from four top supercomputers recently announced two were win by Intel and two from IBM+Nvidia.

ARM is also in the radar of Intel, because is the most terrible competitor. ARM is entering the server market, which is the basis of Intel finances. The whole Broadwell-D series was launched to try to stop ARM microservers advance, for instance.

I wouldn't say desktop is dead. True apple owns a fairly large market share of mobile, but androids pretty big and if intel wants to get into mobile it wouldn't too hard.

I doubt intel has much to worry about in the server market, but only time will tell.

When juan says dead he means its no longer a growing market. Microsoft knows this and Intel.

 

[Turb0Yoda]

Pcpartpicker has the new chips listed with prices.
360 vs 330 for the i7(new vs old)
250 vs 230 for the i5(old vs new)

I think mobile is acting up since I see two or three of each, so I just took the lowest price. You all probably already noticed that, but its there for anyone who needs it.

Spoiler

Damn California taxes

 

[fudgecakes99]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813011002&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Embedded+Solutions-_-N82E16813011002&gclid=Cj0KEQjwo7auBRCOtoqn_s-G7aMBEiQAxArNrPCL29Xx_e4klYWQxdEO6VbMZtn1m62BjPEToLsjpMsaAvXJ8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

So you can buy an i7 chip if you want to pay 200 dollars more? In the u.s.? I'm confused. Why the price hike, why not just sell the separately what is this mobo/cpu combo? Are cpu launches always this terrible or is it just skylake?

 

[airwalkrr]

I should note that although PartPicker lists the 6700k, it is not yet available at any of the sites. B&H is the only one which lists a "release date."

 

[fudgecakes99]

An update on *skygate*. http://news.softpedia.com/news/global-shortage-of-skylake-chips-confirmed-by-asus-and-intel-489336.shtml

looks like it might even be past September. T_T

 

[de5_Roy]

Intel rolls-out its most advanced air cooler to date: TS15A for LGA1151 processors
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/anton-shilov/intel-rolls-out-its-most-advanced-air-cooler-to-date-ts15a-for-lga1151-processors/
too bad the cooling fan looks sucky and the mounting mechanism is still push-pin based. otherwise looks good.

Asustek and Intel confirm global shortage of Intel “Skylake” chips
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/asustek-and-intel-confirm-global-shortage-of-intel-skylake-microprocessors/
i asked so many people to hold back building pcs because of this launch. thanks intel! T_T

 

[Supernova1138]

Looks like I might just have to break down and get the 6600k, as something tells me I might be waiting months before I can get my hands on a 6700k unless I'm really lucky.

 

[de5_Roy]

An update on *skygate*. http://news.softpedia.com/news/global-shortage-of-skylake-chips-confirmed-by-asus-and-intel-489336.shtml

looks like it might even be past September. T_T

more like "skyLate!"

 

[fudgecakes99]

SkyLate, that ones a keeper.

 

[-Fran-]

I still don't understand the hurry. Why risk getting a MoBo with no CPU on sale?

Cheers!

 

[fudgecakes99]

I still don't understand the hurry. Why risk getting a MoBo with no CPU on sale?

Cheers!

Well technically i didn't. Cpu was on sale, on august 5th. I bought most of my rigs parts a day or two before that. I assumed that i'd get it in america the same day it went on sale globally. I was wrong. No hurry, but if a company says that x processor is out on x date globally it better be out globally. disappointed more then anything, and if the rumors are true that their purposely holding back stock to get rid of the surplus of other cpus makes me a bit angry, but understandable. Intel is a business afterall.

 

[fudgecakes99]

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i5-i7-processors-global-shortage/ update on skygate. So everyone's being hit with skylate. But it's strange considering i can still find skylake chips at least 6700k's in the u.k. maybe the bigger box companies in europe are being hit with shortages? Either way, interesting bit of news,

"The report also states that It takes approximately 42 days (including customs) for a ship to reach Europe from Taiwan. Freight shipping time from Taiwan to the U.S. however, is around 20 days."

If this is to be believed i7's should hit our shore's by next week? Well better late then never i guess.

 

[fudgecakes99]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-and-intel-confirm-skylake-shortages-as-chip-vendor-vows-to-increase-availability/97149.html
So it's official 20 days until skylakes out.

"Considering that it takes 42 days for a freighter containing hardware from Europe from Taiwan and 20 days for it to reach the US from Taiwan"
Either the blogs quoting a wrong source or theirs truth too it. So 25-30th i7's should hit america. Then within a weeks time i'm assuming canada. Hopefully

 

[danlw]

i7 6700k for sale on Amazon.com...

For $5,279.26 from a Japanese exporter.

I truly hope somebody messed up on the exchange rate, and this is not really an outrageous price gouge.

 

[fudgecakes99]

well considering 5,279.26 yen is only 42.46 us dollars. I think it's just an insane price gouge. I just hope amazon doesn't do something dumb like drop the price by a couple hundred and say you're saving money.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I still don't understand the hurry. Why risk getting a MoBo with no CPU on sale?

Cheers!

Well technically i didn't. Cpu was on sale, on august 5th. I bought most of my rigs parts a day or two before that. I assumed that i'd get it in america the same day it went on sale globally. I was wrong. No hurry, but if a company says that x processor is out on x date globally it better be out globally. disappointed more then anything, and if the rumors are true that their purposely holding back stock to get rid of the surplus of other cpus makes me a bit angry, but understandable. Intel is a business afterall.

Most companies do this while also putting older stock on sale. Happens all the time, like in the car business. The dealerships will order only a few of the new model years and put the old model years on big discounts.

I personally think it is more of a supply issue than Intel holding out. They never have before, normally they have the inventory built up and shipping so they are readily available on launch.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-and-intel-confirm-skylake-shortages-as-chip-vendor-vows-to-increase-availability/97149.html
So it's official 20 days until skylakes out.

"Considering that it takes 42 days for a freighter containing hardware from Europe from Taiwan and 20 days for it to reach the US from Taiwan"
Either the blogs quoting a wrong source or theirs truth too it. So 25-30th i7's should hit america. Then within a weeks time i'm assuming canada. Hopefully

Considering every Intel CPU I have ever bought has been packaged in Costa Rica I would wonder why they would be using their Taiwan packaging facility for the US instead of the markets over there.

That is what would make me say the blog is probably wrong. The smart move for Intel is to use Costa Rica to package for our markets and the others near the other markets for them. Saves on shipping costs in the long run. It is much like for the most part the CPUs the US receives are made at the FABs here in the states.

 

[airwalkrr]

It depends on where the manufacturing plants are located. If the packaging is done closer to the manufacturing then there could be overall savings. A lot of manufacturing of high-end tech is done in Asia and the Pacific. I don't know the details on where Intel's manufacturing plants are, but it could be their Skylake processors or some of the chief components are being manufactured in or close to Taiwan, making it cheaper to ship them there for packaging.