Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[logainofhades]

Oh boy, Ryzen is forcing intel to up its game. The x299 chipset will now feature a 12 core 24 thread cpu for everyday consumers. No more Xeon monopoly on 10+ cores.
http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-ryzen-effect-intel-commercialize-12-core-24-thread-cpu-heavy-discounts-intel-processors/

I think you mean 12+ cores. There is an i7 10 core, though it is stupid expensive.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I can't think of one company that has not done something somewhat "anti-competitive" in their existence. Even AMD. In reality unless they literally block a company from selling a product completely, I don't think any of them have done anything that bad.

What Intel did is nothing new and is done in a ton of places. A car dealership I worked at had to make compromises to keep selling Ford, their biggest money maker thanks to the F series. Most fast food restaurants exclusively use Coke or Pepsi products, some use Kalil but that's pretty rare. Most mobile carriers get exclusivity as do consoles.

That said, the one I never figured out was Microsoft. Including basic use software that could easily be replaced as default?

Either way, if AMD becomes competitive enough Intel will turn it up. Intel has the capital to hold off for a bit and I think AMD is lucky they did. Intel probably could have buried them if they wanted to. For example instead of having DMI and QPI just having QPI with 8c/16t i7s for $500 and quad channel DDR4.

Hopefully it is a good competitive market though. I want to see CPUs jump again like Pentium 4 -> Core 2 but doubt they will till they move to a new material for fabrication.

None of your previous examples have resulted in a full-blown global monopoly. Intel annihilated the competition through practices deemed illegal in nearly every democratic jurisdiction. It is capitalism at its worst, but I digress.

Here's to hoping for good chips and good prices this year.

That you know of. And funny enough, when Intel did these "dastardly" deeds was when AMD was more popular than ever and kept gaining market share so it was not exactly working to their favor. In fact they had a much more massive server market share during that period.

And again I have yet to see where a exclusivity contract is deemed illegal otherwise AT&T and Apple broke that with the first few versions of the iPhone....

Not a fan of Intel, their anti-competitive practices should turn off any consumer. However, I was getting ready to give in until I saw Ryzen becoming competitive. The only way I would even consider Intel at this point is an i5 with HT or if they started offering hexacores without increasing the price to i7 levels. Since the i5 with HT rumour got shot down, I doubt Intel is going to offer anything in the next few months that will interest me, but here's to hoping. I like competition, good time to be in the market.

I can't think of one company that has not done something somewhat "anti-competitive" in their existence. Even AMD. In reality unless they literally block a company from selling a product completely, I don't think any of them have done anything that bad.

What Intel did is nothing new and is done in a ton of places. A car dealership I worked at had to make compromises to keep selling Ford, their biggest money maker thanks to the F series. Most fast food restaurants exclusively use Coke or Pepsi products, some use Kalil but that's pretty rare. Most mobile carriers get exclusivity as do consoles.

That said, the one I never figured out was Microsoft. Including basic use software that could easily be replaced as default?

Either way, if AMD becomes competitive enough Intel will turn it up. Intel has the capital to hold off for a bit and I think AMD is lucky they did. Intel probably could have buried them if they wanted to. For example instead of having DMI and QPI just having QPI with 8c/16t i7s for $500 and quad channel DDR4.

Hopefully it is a good competitive market though. I want to see CPUs jump again like Pentium 4 -> Core 2 but doubt they will till they move to a new material for fabrication.

Considering Intel laid off ~15% of their work force over the last 36 months, made some stupid purchase decisions and WAY overpaid (I can sympathize, ATI was expensive), and cannot seem to get 10nm up and running to save their collective rear ends, as well as their earnings call tanking the stock after they announced data center margins would probably dip by 10% over the next 12 months and profits would be below expectations...we may see team blue in a rough patch for the next ~24 months.

EDIT: "rough patch" being relative...mind you...

Yet Intel is going to be investing $7 billion into FAB42 to move it to 7nm.....

And last I have read, still rumors, Intel plans to launch Cannon lake before the end of 2017.

And even with the launch of Ryzen they still hold a death grip on the vast majority of multi-socket super profitable server systems.

I was looking at a 6850 too, dang.

Like i said man do not count Intel's competition out also keep in mind the Ryzen platform will not support Intel's new Optane memory, or thunderbolt which can matter to some more so thunderbolt,

I personally don't care about that but some might need it or highly make use of such technology.

I think Thunderbolt is a big deal. Unlike Firewire, this supports a ton of existing and new topologies all while being able to use the new USB Type-C connection. I think AMD will eventually move to it, especially since it is currently 2x as fast as USB 3.1

I was looking at a 6850 too, dang.

Like i said man do not count Intel's competition out also keep in mind the Ryzen platform will not support Intel's new Optane memory, or thunderbolt which can matter to some more so thunderbolt,

I personally don't care about that but some might need it or highly make use of such technology.

Not sure this Optane memory is gonna be available in decent sizes anytime soon.. check this out.

"As of yet, there have been no real-world benchmark results, and Intel showed off only 16GB and 32GB units at CES 2017. This pales in comparison with the 1TB capacity of the 960 Evo, but the promise is that ‘high capacity’ Optane will come over the next few years."

Reminds me of that RD-RAM....(sounded great in theory but never really took off) It's possible that by the time they have it in decent sizes we may have moved on to something else altogether. I'd say it will be very expensive as well...don't ya know.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/storage/what-is-intel-optane-memory-when-is-it-coming-out-3655120/

I think this is different than DAMBUS since it is Intels baby and they are pushing it pretty hard as that is the best way to eliminate the constraints that storage has.

 

[-Fran-]

There's a rumor around that Apple is going to drop Thunderbolt. Well, from the new iPhone at least. I think they already did for the MacBooks?

In any case, it is important to notice, since I don't think Intel will like that.

Cheers! 😛

 

[jimmysmitty]

AMD may drop the lightning cable but Thunderbolt is not just its own thing. It can and does run along side USB Type-C. I personally prefer it over USB as it has a lot of design ideas that help it perform better than UAB for a multitude of tasks.

That said, I read those rumors and it actually looks like the rumors are that it will keep Lightning (and thus Thunderbolt) and the other end will become USB Type-C.

But rumors are rumors.

 

[juanrga]

Intel has been increasing the core count in the enthusiast market for years...

Nehalem: 4-core
Sandy: 6-core
Haswell: 8-core
Broadwell: 10-core
Skylake-X: 12 core?

 

[kol12]

Hi Everyone,

Are we going to see 6 core from Intel Cannonlake this year?

Edit: Or is 6 core coming from Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake is coming before Cannonlake?

 

[jwcrellin]

Next 6 core will Skylake-X.

 

[kol12]

Next 6 core will Skylake-X.

Any clue as to release date? This will be an enthusiast CPU correct? Apparently mainstream 6 core will be coming also? Would it be worth waiting on this instead of an i7 7700k upgrade?

 

[Phaaze88]

Next 6 core will Skylake-X.

Any clue as to release date? This will be an enthusiast CPU correct? Apparently mainstream 6 core will be coming also? Would it be worth waiting on this instead of an i7 7700k upgrade?

August, last I heard. But you'll be paying a hefty price premium for cpu, mobo, and memory...

 

[jwcrellin]

Memory standard will rise to ddr4 2666 I think so i'm good there, but yeah, mobo and cpu combo will be like $800.

 

[kol12]

Next 6 core will Skylake-X.

Any clue as to release date? This will be an enthusiast CPU correct? Apparently mainstream 6 core will be coming also? Would it be worth waiting on this instead of an i7 7700k upgrade?

August, last I heard. But you'll be paying a hefty price premium for cpu, mobo, and memory...

Aren't there rumors that affordable mainstream 6 core is on the horizon from Intel?

 

[Phaaze88]

The very definition of 'affordable' varies from person, therefore...

I don't believe it's skylake-x, either coffee or icelake will have it, so next year, or later.
But if you can't wait that long, go for skylake-x.

 

[jwcrellin]

kaby lake-x will be quad core both with and without hyperthreading. skylake-x will be 6,8,10 core variety. Both will be on intel socket R4 (LGA 2066).

 

[kol12]

The very definition of 'affordable' varies from person, therefore...

I don't believe it's skylake-x, either coffee or icelake will have it, so next year, or later.
But if you can't wait that long, go for skylake-x.

I think what I meant was that more than 4 core has been classed as enthusiast but rumors suggest that 6 core will become mainstream.

 

[kol12]

Wikipedia claims LGA 2066 Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors are coming in June this year, it will replace the 2011 enthusiast platform... Depending on price I might be more interested in seeing if 6 core come from Coffee or Icelake.

What about Cannonlake? What does that bring later this year?

 

[jwcrellin]

Wikipedia claims LGA 2066 Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors are coming in June this year, it will replace the 2011 enthusiast platform... Depending on price I might be more interested in seeing if 6 core come from Coffee or Icelake.

What about Cannonlake? What does that bring later this year?

Gamescom is actually Aug 17th. According to wikipedia, Coffee Lake are lower power laptop chips. Cannonlake will not be outed till 2018.

 

[Gon Freecss]

Wikipedia claims LGA 2066 Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors are coming in June this year, it will replace the 2011 enthusiast platform... Depending on price I might be more interested in seeing if 6 core come from Coffee or Icelake.

What about Cannonlake? What does that bring later this year?

Gamescom is actually Aug 17th. According to wikipedia, Coffee Lake are lower power laptop chips. Cannonlake will not be outed till 2018.

No, Cannonlake will be out this year for low power-laptop chips. Coffee Lake will power high-end laptop chips and desktop chips.

 

[Phaaze88]

Wikipedia claims LGA 2066 Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X processors are coming in June this year, it will replace the 2011 enthusiast platform... Depending on price I might be more interested in seeing if 6 core come from Coffee or Icelake.

What about Cannonlake? What does that bring later this year?

Gamescom is actually Aug 17th. According to wikipedia, Coffee Lake are lower power laptop chips. Cannonlake will not be outed till 2018.

No, Cannonlake will be out this year for low power-laptop chips. Coffee Lake will power high-end laptop chips and desktop chips.

So, does that make icelake the 6-core mainstream platform?

 

[jwcrellin]

Intel is grappling with its inability to keep up with Moore’s Law, which originally predicted a shrink in process technology every two years. Intel’s actual record has varied from 18 to 36 months.
As such, Intel has added a stopgap part, “Kaby Lake,” due to begin production later this year on its existing 14-nm technology. But a leaked memo also points to several new products in development: Kaby Lake and its successor, the 10-nm Cannon Lake, but also Ice Lake (the second 10-nm chip) and two others, Coffee Lake and Glenview, which the memo did not describe. One question will be whether Coffee Lake will be a third 10-nm part, or the first 7-nm product.
pulled from http://www.pcworld.com/article/3058837/components/as-intel-shifts-its-focus-to-the-cloud-it-commands-its-pc-products-to-fightor-die.html

 

[kol12]

So, does that make icelake the 6-core mainstream platform?

I think Coffeelake will be 6 core mainstream.

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/intel-s-coffee-lake-will-bring-six-core-cpus-to-the-masses-1325204

 

[FullmetalJacket]

Thanks!

How does it work!

 

[FullmetalJacket]

AMD may drop the lightning cable but Thunderbolt is not just its own thing. It can and does run along side USB Type-C. I personally prefer it over USB as it has a lot of design ideas that help it perform better than UAB for a multitude of tasks.

That said, I read those rumors and it actually looks like the rumors are that it will keep Lightning (and thus Thunderbolt) and the other end will become USB Type-C.

But rumors are rumors.

Do you actually see real world performance gains ,My motherboard supports these features and I have tried them ,If 10 secs difference does anything for my quality of life ,I have not seen it yet ,Windows boot times yes,
but uploading and downloading does nothing for me

 

[FullmetalJacket]

Intel is grappling with its inability to keep up with Moore’s Law, which originally predicted a shrink in process technology every two years. Intel’s actual record has varied from 18 to 36 months.
As such, Intel has added a stopgap part, “Kaby Lake,” due to begin production later this year on its existing 14-nm technology. But a leaked memo also points to several new products in development: Kaby Lake and its successor, the 10-nm Cannon Lake, but also Ice Lake (the second 10-nm chip) and two others, Coffee Lake and Glenview, which the memo did not describe. One question will be whether Coffee Lake will be a third 10-nm part, or the first 7-nm product.
pulled from http://www.pcworld.com/article/3058837/components/as-intel-shifts-its-focus-to-the-cloud-it-commands-its-pc-products-to-fightor-die.html

Your totally right and manufacture's have struggled with this for years.You cannot make an Atom smaller ,Hence more cores and hyperthreading ,Quantum computing may have a solution because the atoms or sub atomic particles are in multiple places ,
but considering space in a tower case you could fit 3 motherboards and multiple ,multi core chips everywhere ,I guess it comes down to how much space you need versus power.

 

[jaymc]

32 core Xeon's...

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/32-core-intel-xeon-results-surface-in-geekbench.html

 

[juanrga]

32 core Xeon's...

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/32-core-intel-xeon-results-surface-in-geekbench.html

Humm... Skylake-EP has 1MB L2 cache per core and that leak reports 256KB