Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[kingsxfinest]

This sticky is to provide a centralised thread to post information (news, rumors & reviews) related to future Intel processors
long as we all follow the forum rules (ToU and RoC) and Stay on target. Personal attacks to another user will be deleted but I hope not to have to do this, we're adults after all.

Ivy Bridge discussion has moved!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/332628-28-official-thread-discussion

The Haswell thread is full!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/303971-28-haswell-news-rumors-reviews

Have fun!

Cannon lake which will have 10nm threads releases next year

 

[FullmetalJacket]

This is my opinion And for a start Intel are not leaking or going preview one thing ,What they have to do and will do is lower prices for most mid range users,Volume is where its at , if I say cheeseburger .What is the first company that comes into your mind and it aint ,Wendys or Fat burger It's McDonald's

 

[ern88]

I have a question. Besides the chipset side of the Kaby lake. Does the the Kaby Lake CPU lose any functionality on a Z170 platform?

 

[jwcrellin]

Other than a few pcie lanes, I don't think so.

 

[jimmysmitty]

AMD may drop the lightning cable but Thunderbolt is not just its own thing. It can and does run along side USB Type-C. I personally prefer it over USB as it has a lot of design ideas that help it perform better than UAB for a multitude of tasks.

That said, I read those rumors and it actually looks like the rumors are that it will keep Lightning (and thus Thunderbolt) and the other end will become USB Type-C.

But rumors are rumors.

Do you actually see real world performance gains ,My motherboard supports these features and I have tried them ,If 10 secs difference does anything for my quality of life ,I have not seen it yet ,Windows boot times yes,
but uploading and downloading does nothing for me

The idea behind thunderbolt is to support a ton of standards and be able to daisy chain it. Can you daisy chain an external HDD to a DP monitor then to an external GPU and then back to your system on a single USB cable? No. However you can with thunderbolt.

Besides while it seems pointless now, with the rate of growth in file size we will need the bandwidth. I just checked and Doom is almost 80GB. That's insane. Imagine if I wanted to move 80GB. The faster the better.

 

[8350rocks]

Hi Everyone,

Are we going to see 6 core from Intel Cannonlake this year?

Edit: Or is 6 core coming from Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake is coming before Cannonlake?

Last word from Intel was Cannonlake on 10nm in late 2018 (~12-18 months out)...Coffee Lake is just going to be Kaby Lake with more cores on the low end.

 

[8350rocks]

AMD may drop the lightning cable but Thunderbolt is not just its own thing. It can and does run along side USB Type-C. I personally prefer it over USB as it has a lot of design ideas that help it perform better than UAB for a multitude of tasks.

That said, I read those rumors and it actually looks like the rumors are that it will keep Lightning (and thus Thunderbolt) and the other end will become USB Type-C.

But rumors are rumors.

Do you actually see real world performance gains ,My motherboard supports these features and I have tried them ,If 10 secs difference does anything for my quality of life ,I have not seen it yet ,Windows boot times yes,
but uploading and downloading does nothing for me

The idea behind thunderbolt is to support a ton of standards and be able to daisy chain it. Can you daisy chain an external HDD to a DP monitor then to an external GPU and then back to your system on a single USB cable? No. However you can with thunderbolt.

Besides while it seems pointless now, with the rate of growth in file size we will need the bandwidth. I just checked and Doom is almost 80GB. That's insane. Imagine if I wanted to move 80GB. The faster the better.

If at all possible...1/2/5/10 Gb ethernet for moving stuff that size. If you are off loading to an external HDD for backup or something, well...USB3.2 flash drive would be best in that context if ethernet/bluetooth was not an option.

 

[jwcrellin]

I don't think that x299 platform will include many of the new tech we've been hearing about over the last few months like ddr5 memory or pcie 4.0. It will almost certainly have support for optane memory and thunderbolt 3/usb 3.1 type c tho. Did anybody else read about kaby lake X i7 7740k?

 

[8350rocks]

I don't think that x299 platform will include many of the new tech we've been hearing about over the last few months like ddr5 memory or pcie 4.0. It will almost certainly have support for optane memory and thunderbolt 3/usb 3.1 type c tho. Did anybody else read about kaby lake X i7 7740k?

7740K is just a X99 7700K

 

[jwcrellin]

I don't think that x299 platform will include many of the new tech we've been hearing about over the last few months like ddr5 memory or pcie 4.0. It will almost certainly have support for optane memory and thunderbolt 3/usb 3.1 type c tho. Did anybody else read about kaby lake X i7 7740k?

7740K is just a X99 7700K

Except that it wont have an internal gpu.

 

[juanrga]

I don't think that x299 platform will include many of the new tech we've been hearing about over the last few months like ddr5 memory or pcie 4.0. It will almost certainly have support for optane memory and thunderbolt 3/usb 3.1 type c tho. Did anybody else read about kaby lake X i7 7740k?

7740K is just a X99 7700K

Except that it wont have an internal gpu.

And clocks and TDP raise up to 4.3 GHz base and a TDP of 112W.

 

[jwcrellin]

Any news on the next gen 8c/16t?

 

[logainofhades]

I don't think that x299 platform will include many of the new tech we've been hearing about over the last few months like ddr5 memory or pcie 4.0. It will almost certainly have support for optane memory and thunderbolt 3/usb 3.1 type c tho. Did anybody else read about kaby lake X i7 7740k?

7740K is just a X99 7700K

Except that it wont have an internal gpu.

And clocks and TDP raise up to 4.3 GHz base and a TDP of 112W.

And will be a x299. www.tweaktown.com/news/56850/first-sign-kaby-lake-intel-core-i7-7740k/index.html

 

[jimmysmitty]

AMD may drop the lightning cable but Thunderbolt is not just its own thing. It can and does run along side USB Type-C. I personally prefer it over USB as it has a lot of design ideas that help it perform better than UAB for a multitude of tasks.

That said, I read those rumors and it actually looks like the rumors are that it will keep Lightning (and thus Thunderbolt) and the other end will become USB Type-C.

But rumors are rumors.

Do you actually see real world performance gains ,My motherboard supports these features and I have tried them ,If 10 secs difference does anything for my quality of life ,I have not seen it yet ,Windows boot times yes,
but uploading and downloading does nothing for me

The idea behind thunderbolt is to support a ton of standards and be able to daisy chain it. Can you daisy chain an external HDD to a DP monitor then to an external GPU and then back to your system on a single USB cable? No. However you can with thunderbolt.

Besides while it seems pointless now, with the rate of growth in file size we will need the bandwidth. I just checked and Doom is almost 80GB. That's insane. Imagine if I wanted to move 80GB. The faster the better.

If at all possible...1/2/5/10 Gb ethernet for moving stuff that size. If you are off loading to an external HDD for backup or something, well...USB3.2 flash drive would be best in that context if ethernet/bluetooth was not an option.

Thunderbolt is 20Gbps bidirectional (40Gbps total) vs 10Gbps for USB 3.1 Gen 2. Double the bandwidth. Double the bandwidth on a 10Gbe, which there is still no 10Gbe router for the consumer and very few consumer boards come with a 10Gbe NIC built in.

So how are any of those better? Thunderbolt can run on USB Type-C and provide double the bandwidth and is more versatile?

@logainofhades, it also looks like the 7740K will be foregoing the IGP which might benefit in OCing headroom.

 

[gamerk316]

Thunderbolt is 20Gbps bidirectional (40Gbps total) vs 10Gbps for USB 3.1 Gen 2. Double the bandwidth. Double the bandwidth on a 10Gbe, which there is still no 10Gbe router for the consumer and very few consumer boards come with a 10Gbe NIC built in.

So how are any of those better? Thunderbolt can run on USB Type-C and provide double the bandwidth and is more versatile?

@logainofhades, it also looks like the 7740K will be foregoing the IGP which might benefit in OCing headroom.

You forget Thunderbolt is several times more expensive to implement, and has the other problem of not being universal in the same way USB has become. Seriously people, let's not go back to the days of connector wars; USB is good enough, and will be upraded as needed. We don't need a half dozen different connectors that cover every possible use case.

 

[-Fran-]

You forget Thunderbolt is several times more expensive to implement, and has the other problem of not being universal in the same way USB has become. Seriously people, let's not go back to the days of connector wars; USB is good enough, and will be upraded as needed. We don't need a half dozen different connectors that cover every possible use case.

I am also in-line with that thinking. For all the good things it might bring to the table, price is not one of them. Plus, being tied to a single provider of "technology" is not a good idea. If Intel pushes TB to be "open" like the USB spec is, then people might actually try to look at it seriously.

Plus, for everything else, there are already open solutions. USB is not the only open transport spec out there, AFAIK.

Cheers!

 

[gamerk316]

You forget Thunderbolt is several times more expensive to implement, and has the other problem of not being universal in the same way USB has become. Seriously people, let's not go back to the days of connector wars; USB is good enough, and will be upraded as needed. We don't need a half dozen different connectors that cover every possible use case.

I am also in-line with that thinking. For all the good things it might bring to the table, price is not one of them. Plus, being tied to a single provider of "technology" is not a good idea. If Intel pushes TB to be "open" like the USB spec is, then people might actually try to look at it seriously.

Plus, for everything else, there are already open solutions. USB is not the only open transport spec out there, AFAIK.

Cheers!

IEEE-488 FTW!

 

[Gon Freecss]

Any news on Icelake?

 

[jwcrellin]

Any news on Icelake?

I know of a coffeelake and cannonlake. Icelake's probably not going to be ready until 2018.

 

[Gon Freecss]

Any news on Icelake?

I know of a coffeelake and cannonlake. Icelake's probably not going to be ready until 2018.

Shoot.

 

[8350rocks]

Any news on Icelake?

I know of a coffeelake and cannonlake. Icelake's probably not going to be ready until 2018.

Considering Cannonlake is not coming until 2018, I doubt Ice Lake comes the same year...2019-ish probably, maybe 2020.

 

[jwcrellin]

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/04/is-intel-corporations-first-gen-10-nano-tech-point.aspx
outlines timelines

 

[8350rocks]

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/04/is-intel-corporations-first-gen-10-nano-tech-point.aspx
outlines timelines

According to that timeline, coffeelake comes in 2018, cannonlake may be late 2018/early 2019. No mention of Ice Lake.

 

[jwcrellin]

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/04/is-intel-corporations-first-gen-10-nano-tech-point.aspx
outlines timelines

According to that timeline, coffeelake comes in 2018, cannonlake may be late 2018/early 2019. No mention of Ice Lake.

Yeah there is, it postulates 2H 2018
"That said, I do expect that Intel will begin migrating the entirety of its personal-computer processor portfolio over to some flavor of 10-nanometer -- likely 10-nanometer+ -- in the second half of 2018, with its Ice Lake architecture."

 

[jimmysmitty]

Thunderbolt is 20Gbps bidirectional (40Gbps total) vs 10Gbps for USB 3.1 Gen 2. Double the bandwidth. Double the bandwidth on a 10Gbe, which there is still no 10Gbe router for the consumer and very few consumer boards come with a 10Gbe NIC built in.

So how are any of those better? Thunderbolt can run on USB Type-C and provide double the bandwidth and is more versatile?

@logainofhades, it also looks like the 7740K will be foregoing the IGP which might benefit in OCing headroom.

You forget Thunderbolt is several times more expensive to implement, and has the other problem of not being universal in the same way USB has become. Seriously people, let's not go back to the days of connector wars; USB is good enough, and will be upraded as needed. We don't need a half dozen different connectors that cover every possible use case.

Yet Intels idea was to use the USB connector to keep compatibility while offering better bandwidth.

I understand sometimes open is better but the biggest problem is they sit idle. How long did it take to move to USB 3? And even then it still had multiple issues, such as encoding overhead that cut 20% of the bandwidth off the top and required another dtep to clean up.

Sometimes a new interface has to come and wipe out the old on. TB 3 can run on USB type-C so to me it is a win win. Sure it is more expensive now but as with anything time makes it cheaper as does implementation.

USB 3 was not cheap to start. I remember when they first hit they were quite a bit more expensive than USB 2. In fact the shop I worked at we waited till the price dropped quite a but before going from ourr USB 2 Xporter drives to the USB 3 Xporter drives.