Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[jwcrellin]

I've never used an AMD cpu but i'm not an Intel fanboy or anything, I just didn't think AMD was power-efficient/cool-running enough. Like bringing a Molotov cocktail to a gunfight. I think back in 2009 I built a pc with a Radeon HD 4870. Lost it in a move. Haven't thought about it much since.

 

[jwcrellin]

Boooo, http://www.techspot.com/news/68110-intel-8th-gen-core-cpus-again-14nm.html 10nm only gonna be for ultra low power stuff. Hopefully x299 sticks around for 3-5 years like x79/x99.

 

[jimmysmitty]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.cpchardware.com/core-i7-7740k-et-i5-7640k-kaby-lake-x-lga2066/&prev=search

If i'm reading that right, I wouldn't hold out for Skylake-X or Kaby Lake-X..

I am actually interested in those parts. If they are running on the LGA 2099 socket then they will use QPI and quad channel RAM possibly yet might be priced around the higher side of LGA1151.

Guess we will see when the truth comes out. Rumors are called rumors for a reason.

I don't know about that, the next generation of cpu's should see big ipc improvements. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3167942/components-processors/intel-cannonlake-will-be-more-than-15-percent-faster-than-kaby-lake.html
Also, intel will need to rethink their hierarchy and pricing after Ryzen launches.

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the performance Ryzen produces. I won't trust a damn thing until I see it from Toms, Anand etc. The last time there was this much hype with an AMD CPU was Bulldozer and every AMD performance benchmark was cherry picked. If it beat enthusiast i7s it lost to the extreme i7s (multi-core) and if it beat the extreme i7s it normally lost to the enthusiast i7s (single core).

Considering Bulldozers launch, Intel didn't rethink anything and they had the same hierarchy as they do today, well a few more in the top end at lower price points but still.

Boooo, http://www.techspot.com/news/68110-intel-8th-gen-core-cpus-again-14nm.html 10nm only gonna be for ultra low power stuff. Hopefully x299 sticks around for 3-5 years like x79/x99.

Not sure that is a bad thing. I would probably prefer a more tested and mature 10nm. The smaller processes are running into some very hard to solve problems such as leakage and transistor degradation.

It also might not make a difference anyways as die shrinks normally only bring lower TDP but that does not always equate to higher clock speeds and better performance.

At this point I might ride my i5 4670K out another 2 years to hopefully get a bigger upgrade boost.

 

[jwcrellin]

I'm excited about going from a plain jane quad core i5 to an octo-core hyperthreaded i7 on the new LGA 2066.
Oh, I emailed Intel about X299's lifespan and upgradability over time. The tech emailed me back saying that he couldn't comment on products not on sale yet.

 

[jdwii]

I'm excited about going from a plain jane quad core i5 to an octo-core hyperthreaded i7 on the new LGA 2066.
Oh, I emailed Intel about X299's lifespan and upgradability over time. The tech emailed me back saying that he couldn't comment on products not on sale yet.

I'm a skeptic when it comes to Amd claiming anything but i'd highly recommend waiting for Ryzen never know Amd might have pulled it off.

 

[juanrga]

I don't know about that, the next generation of cpu's should see big ipc improvements. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3167942/components-processors/intel-cannonlake-will-be-more-than-15-percent-faster-than-kaby-lake.html
Also, intel will need to rethink their hierarchy and pricing after Ryzen launches.

That 15% is not IPC.

 

[juanrga]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.cpchardware.com/core-i7-7740k-et-i5-7640k-kaby-lake-x-lga2066/&prev=search

If i'm reading that right, I wouldn't hold out for Skylake-X or Kaby Lake-X..

I am actually interested in those parts. If they are running on the LGA 2099 socket then they will use QPI and quad channel RAM possibly yet might be priced around the higher side of LGA1151.

Guess we will see when the truth comes out. Rumors are called rumors for a reason.

It is more than a rumor. They got a sample and are awaiting to get a compatible mobo to test it.

 

[jimmysmitty]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.cpchardware.com/core-i7-7740k-et-i5-7640k-kaby-lake-x-lga2066/&prev=search

If i'm reading that right, I wouldn't hold out for Skylake-X or Kaby Lake-X..

I am actually interested in those parts. If they are running on the LGA 2099 socket then they will use QPI and quad channel RAM possibly yet might be priced around the higher side of LGA1151.

Guess we will see when the truth comes out. Rumors are called rumors for a reason.

It is more than a rumor. They got a sample and are awaiting to get a compatible mobo to test it.

True but again I have a hard time trusting anything but an official release. I can point to multiple pre-launch hype fests.

 

[8350rocks]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.cpchardware.com/core-i7-7740k-et-i5-7640k-kaby-lake-x-lga2066/&prev=search

If i'm reading that right, I wouldn't hold out for Skylake-X or Kaby Lake-X..

I am actually interested in those parts. If they are running on the LGA 2099 socket then they will use QPI and quad channel RAM possibly yet might be priced around the higher side of LGA1151.

Guess we will see when the truth comes out. Rumors are called rumors for a reason.

It is more than a rumor. They got a sample and are awaiting to get a compatible mobo to test it.

True but again I have a hard time trusting anything but an official release. I can point to multiple pre-launch hype fests.

Some single thread benchmarks emerged on Anandtech in the Ryzen thread. Doing some quick math, it seems that Ryzen single thread will fall north of haswell, perhaps even with skylake. It is really hard to determine because CPU Mark is synthetic, but single thread is single thread, and it shows deficiencies where you would expect them (i.e. physics and prime numbers due to 2x128 FPUs vs 2x256 FPUs).

 

[jwcrellin]

Performance equivalent to haswell-e at half the price is gonna throw the market for a loop.

Will the cpu coolers for LGA 2011v3 still fit LGA 2066?

 

[jwcrellin]

I know this is supposed to be the intel future tech thread, but there's an argument to be made for competition.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/02/12/amd-ryzen-biggest-leak-yet-amazing-benchmarks-and-prices-starting-at-just-129/#5e2eb2162b5b
6 core 12 thread for under $300, wow.

And intel just announced 8th gen core to stay at 14nm+++. I can complain all I want but their pockets get fatter every quarter.

 

[John__Titor]

Not a fan of Intel, their anti-competitive practices should turn off any consumer. However, I was getting ready to give in until I saw Ryzen becoming competitive. The only way I would even consider Intel at this point is an i5 with HT or if they started offering hexacores without increasing the price to i7 levels. Since the i5 with HT rumour got shot down, I doubt Intel is going to offer anything in the next few months that will interest me, but here's to hoping. I like competition, good time to be in the market.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Not a fan of Intel, their anti-competitive practices should turn off any consumer. However, I was getting ready to give in until I saw Ryzen becoming competitive. The only way I would even consider Intel at this point is an i5 with HT or if they started offering hexacores without increasing the price to i7 levels. Since the i5 with HT rumour got shot down, I doubt Intel is going to offer anything in the next few months that will interest me, but here's to hoping. I like competition, good time to be in the market.

I can't think of one company that has not done something somewhat "anti-competitive" in their existence. Even AMD. In reality unless they literally block a company from selling a product completely, I don't think any of them have done anything that bad.

What Intel did is nothing new and is done in a ton of places. A car dealership I worked at had to make compromises to keep selling Ford, their biggest money maker thanks to the F series. Most fast food restaurants exclusively use Coke or Pepsi products, some use Kalil but that's pretty rare. Most mobile carriers get exclusivity as do consoles.

That said, the one I never figured out was Microsoft. Including basic use software that could easily be replaced as default?

Either way, if AMD becomes competitive enough Intel will turn it up. Intel has the capital to hold off for a bit and I think AMD is lucky they did. Intel probably could have buried them if they wanted to. For example instead of having DMI and QPI just having QPI with 8c/16t i7s for $500 and quad channel DDR4.

Hopefully it is a good competitive market though. I want to see CPUs jump again like Pentium 4 -> Core 2 but doubt they will till they move to a new material for fabrication.

 

[John__Titor]

I can't think of one company that has not done something somewhat "anti-competitive" in their existence. Even AMD. In reality unless they literally block a company from selling a product completely, I don't think any of them have done anything that bad.

What Intel did is nothing new and is done in a ton of places. A car dealership I worked at had to make compromises to keep selling Ford, their biggest money maker thanks to the F series. Most fast food restaurants exclusively use Coke or Pepsi products, some use Kalil but that's pretty rare. Most mobile carriers get exclusivity as do consoles.

That said, the one I never figured out was Microsoft. Including basic use software that could easily be replaced as default?

Either way, if AMD becomes competitive enough Intel will turn it up. Intel has the capital to hold off for a bit and I think AMD is lucky they did. Intel probably could have buried them if they wanted to. For example instead of having DMI and QPI just having QPI with 8c/16t i7s for $500 and quad channel DDR4.

Hopefully it is a good competitive market though. I want to see CPUs jump again like Pentium 4 -> Core 2 but doubt they will till they move to a new material for fabrication.

None of your previous examples have resulted in a full-blown global monopoly. Intel annihilated the competition through practices deemed illegal in nearly every democratic jurisdiction. It is capitalism at its worst, but I digress.

Here's to hoping for good chips and good prices this year.

 

[8350rocks]

Not a fan of Intel, their anti-competitive practices should turn off any consumer. However, I was getting ready to give in until I saw Ryzen becoming competitive. The only way I would even consider Intel at this point is an i5 with HT or if they started offering hexacores without increasing the price to i7 levels. Since the i5 with HT rumour got shot down, I doubt Intel is going to offer anything in the next few months that will interest me, but here's to hoping. I like competition, good time to be in the market.

I can't think of one company that has not done something somewhat "anti-competitive" in their existence. Even AMD. In reality unless they literally block a company from selling a product completely, I don't think any of them have done anything that bad.

What Intel did is nothing new and is done in a ton of places. A car dealership I worked at had to make compromises to keep selling Ford, their biggest money maker thanks to the F series. Most fast food restaurants exclusively use Coke or Pepsi products, some use Kalil but that's pretty rare. Most mobile carriers get exclusivity as do consoles.

That said, the one I never figured out was Microsoft. Including basic use software that could easily be replaced as default?

Either way, if AMD becomes competitive enough Intel will turn it up. Intel has the capital to hold off for a bit and I think AMD is lucky they did. Intel probably could have buried them if they wanted to. For example instead of having DMI and QPI just having QPI with 8c/16t i7s for $500 and quad channel DDR4.

Hopefully it is a good competitive market though. I want to see CPUs jump again like Pentium 4 -> Core 2 but doubt they will till they move to a new material for fabrication.

Considering Intel laid off ~15% of their work force over the last 36 months, made some stupid purchase decisions and WAY overpaid (I can sympathize, ATI was expensive), and cannot seem to get 10nm up and running to save their collective rear ends, as well as their earnings call tanking the stock after they announced data center margins would probably dip by 10% over the next 12 months and profits would be below expectations...we may see team blue in a rough patch for the next ~24 months.

EDIT: "rough patch" being relative...mind you...

 

[jdwii]

Intel add's Vulkan support
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intels-newest-gpu-driver-adds-vulkan-support-for-skylake-and-kaby-lake-gpus/

 

[jwcrellin]

I saw that as well.^^^ Its just coding but I mean darn its about time.

 

[8350rocks]

6 core benchmarks versus 6850K

1600X runs @ 3.5 turbo and 6850K runs @ stock clocks + turbo:

http://digiworthy.com/2017/02/17/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-benchmarks/

 

[jwcrellin]

I was looking at a 6850 too, dang.

 

[jdwii]

I was looking at a 6850 too, dang.

Like i said man do not count Intel's competition out also keep in mind the Ryzen platform will not support Intel's new Optane memory, or thunderbolt which can matter to some more so thunderbolt,

I personally don't care about that but some might need it or highly make use of such technology.

 

[detroitwillfall]

in for cannon

 

[jaymc]

I was looking at a 6850 too, dang.

Like i said man do not count Intel's competition out also keep in mind the Ryzen platform will not support Intel's new Optane memory, or thunderbolt which can matter to some more so thunderbolt,

I personally don't care about that but some might need it or highly make use of such technology.

Not sure this Optane memory is gonna be available in decent sizes anytime soon.. check this out.

"As of yet, there have been no real-world benchmark results, and Intel showed off only 16GB and 32GB units at CES 2017. This pales in comparison with the 1TB capacity of the 960 Evo, but the promise is that ‘high capacity’ Optane will come over the next few years."

Reminds me of that RD-RAM....(sounded great in theory but never really took off) It's possible that by the time they have it in decent sizes we may have moved on to something else altogether. I'd say it will be very expensive as well...don't ya know.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/storage/what-is-intel-optane-memory-when-is-it-coming-out-3655120/

 

[jwcrellin]

Oh boy, Ryzen is forcing intel to up its game. The x299 chipset will now feature a 12 core 24 thread cpu for everyday consumers. No more Xeon monopoly on 10+ cores.
http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-ryzen-effect-intel-commercialize-12-core-24-thread-cpu-heavy-discounts-intel-processors/

 

[Phaaze88]

Oh boy, Ryzen is forcing intel to up its game. The x299 chipset will now feature a 12 core 24 thread cpu for everyday consumers. No more Xeon monopoly on 10+ cores.
http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-ryzen-effect-intel-commercialize-12-core-24-thread-cpu-heavy-discounts-intel-processors/

Uhh, that's overkill for the everyday consumer. It has to be for the enthusiasts, right?

 

[-Fran-]

Oh boy, Ryzen is forcing intel to up its game. The x299 chipset will now feature a 12 core 24 thread cpu for everyday consumers. No more Xeon monopoly on 10+ cores.
http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-ryzen-effect-intel-commercialize-12-core-24-thread-cpu-heavy-discounts-intel-processors/

Uhh, that's overkill for the everyday consumer. It has to be for the enthusiasts, right?

It's an interesting mixed bag.

I think AMD might have caught Intel a little by surprise with how good Zen appears to be.

On one hand, they are going to kill the big selling point of the X and -E platform altogether, unless you go for the ultra-expensive option, but then you're better off buying a used/new Xeon in that price range anyway, plus making a single and unified platform cover both middle and high end parts (consumer and "semi-pro") in a convenient package. Even more when Raven Ridge (Zen in APU flavor) is next using the same platform as Ryzen (Summit Ridge?).

So, that leaves Intel in kind of a pinch: they could lower the "X" platform to a more reasonable price point, but then again they would be cannibalizing the same market the i7 for the "Z" platform and lowering the entry bar to a market they already segmented a while ago by creating the "X" platform. So, the only """"reasonable"""" approach is to up the game of the Z platform and try to bump the "X" platform a notch.

From a pure price structure perspective, they have no other choice, since Zen has viable cores to hang around the heavy hitters from the Intel camp for prosumers (semi-pro and even some pro work) at a MUCH lower price point.

I am expecting Intel to up the game for the next "X" platform generation, but at least we can all rest assured that AMD might be able to fight back and get some very needed competition back to the CPU+MoBo market.

Cheers!

EDIT: Typos.