Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

[jwcrellin]

Does anybody have the confirmed specs for the kaby lake x core i5? I bet that'll be an overclocking monster.

 

[YoAndy]

There are really no actual performance gains between sandy bridge and kaby lake.
Its all in clock speed, which you could achieve with Sandy Bridge.

Isn't it funny that Ivy Bridge and Haswell and Broadwell couldn't hit the same clocks as Sandy Bridge and now Skylake can? SO that they can create a fake performance increase by slowly reaching the same performance they had before and pretending like their specialized architecture extensions which aren't used by 99% of applications are "gains".

Skylake is 23% faster than Sandy Bridge, clock for clock.

What about Skylake and Kabby Lake? They are both the same processor just KabyLake overclocked 7% faster and that's it.

 

[Gon Freecss]

There are really no actual performance gains between sandy bridge and kaby lake.
Its all in clock speed, which you could achieve with Sandy Bridge.

Isn't it funny that Ivy Bridge and Haswell and Broadwell couldn't hit the same clocks as Sandy Bridge and now Skylake can? SO that they can create a fake performance increase by slowly reaching the same performance they had before and pretending like their specialized architecture extensions which aren't used by 99% of applications are "gains".

Skylake is 23% faster than Sandy Bridge, clock for clock.

What about Skylake and Kabby Lake? They are both the same processor just KabyLake overclocked 7% faster and that's it.

Pretty much.

 

[juanrga]

I know, but I thought they might be able to squeeze more IPC with Coffee Lake. lol

I see. I can't wait for Skylake-X to drop!

Today I discovered that the 12C Skylake Xeon has 3.6GHz base clocks. If those clocks translate to the Skylake-X line then this chip will be an absolute beast.

Yeah, that will put it at same clocks as stock 16c Ryzen.

Nope. 16C Ryzen has lower clocks

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3327589/amd-ryzen-megathread-faq-resources/page-36.html#19677016

 

[jimmysmitty]

There are really no actual performance gains between sandy bridge and kaby lake.
Its all in clock speed, which you could achieve with Sandy Bridge.

Isn't it funny that Ivy Bridge and Haswell and Broadwell couldn't hit the same clocks as Sandy Bridge and now Skylake can? SO that they can create a fake performance increase by slowly reaching the same performance they had before and pretending like their specialized architecture extensions which aren't used by 99% of applications are "gains".

Skylake is 23% faster than Sandy Bridge, clock for clock.

What about Skylake and Kabby Lake? They are both the same processor just KabyLake overclocked 7% faster and that's it.

Mostly it is process optimizations. It used to come in stepping, such as the Q6600 B3 vs G0 which happens naturally, as they continue to produce a CPU on a new process or uArch the yields get better and the process gets better which can result in lower power draw and normally higher clocks.

It looks like instead of keeping the same naming Intel is just re-launching them under a new retail name.

I can't blame them though. 10nm has proven difficult and I am sure 7nm will be even harder. Plus AMD, up until recently, has been mostly silent with a CPU that was just as old as Sandy Bridge but not nearly as good. Ryzen will probably help kick Intel into normal drive. I hope they go into overdrive but I don't think AMD could handle that. Their budget probably would not allow for it.

 

[YoAndy]

There are really no actual performance gains between sandy bridge and kaby lake.
Its all in clock speed, which you could achieve with Sandy Bridge.

Isn't it funny that Ivy Bridge and Haswell and Broadwell couldn't hit the same clocks as Sandy Bridge and now Skylake can? SO that they can create a fake performance increase by slowly reaching the same performance they had before and pretending like their specialized architecture extensions which aren't used by 99% of applications are "gains".

Skylake is 23% faster than Sandy Bridge, clock for clock.

What about Skylake and Kabby Lake? They are both the same processor just KabyLake overclocked 7% faster and that's it.

Mostly it is process optimizations. It used to come in stepping, such as the Q6600 B3 vs G0 which happens naturally, as they continue to produce a CPU on a new process or uArch the yields get better and the process gets better which can result in lower power draw and normally higher clocks.

It looks like instead of keeping the same naming Intel is just re-launching them under a new retail name.

I can't blame them though. 10nm has proven difficult and I am sure 7nm will be even harder. Plus AMD, up until recently, has been mostly silent with a CPU that was just as old as Sandy Bridge but not nearly as good. Ryzen will probably help kick Intel into normal drive. I hope they go into overdrive but I don't think AMD could handle that. Their budget probably would not allow for it.

I love my gaming PC but is kinda sad that we haven't seen mayor improvements like the ones we had back in the days. I can still keep up with new processors with my 8 years old first generation Core i7 Extreme 965

 

[Phaaze88]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

 

[8350rocks]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

X means you are paying an absurd amount for quad channel memory to most people. Those same people will not see more than 2-3% difference.

 

[jwcrellin]

If the lga 2066 motherboards are less than $200, I may have to look into putting together a prosumer build.

 

[Gon Freecss]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

The 'X' is short for eXtreme. Intel just switched it up from 'E' which is short for Extreme. lol

 

[juanrga]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

Skylake-X is the new enthusiast desktop platform and replaces Broadwell-E. Kabylake-X is a special Kabylake desktop model compatible with Skylake-X platform. The same socket will support from a 4-core up to a 12-core.

Skylake-X will play games better than Broadwell-E, but I I believe Skylake-X will be better suited for professionals, whereas gamers will be better served by Canonlake.

 

[Gon Freecss]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

Skylake-X is the new enthusiast desktop platform and replaces Broadwell-E. Kabylake-X is a special Kabylake desktop model compatible with Skylake-X platform. The same socket will support from a 4-core up to a 12-core.

Skylake-X will play games better than Broadwell-E, but I I believe Skylake-X will be better suited for professionals, whereas gamers will be better served by Canonlake.

When will Cannonlake be released for desktop?

 

[juanrga]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

Skylake-X is the new enthusiast desktop platform and replaces Broadwell-E. Kabylake-X is a special Kabylake desktop model compatible with Skylake-X platform. The same socket will support from a 4-core up to a 12-core.

Skylake-X will play games better than Broadwell-E, but I I believe Skylake-X will be better suited for professionals, whereas gamers will be better served by Canonlake.

When will Cannonlake be released for desktop?

Late this year. Rumors mention August.

 

[popatim]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

X means you are paying an absurd amount for quad channel memory to most people. Those same people will not see more than 2-3% difference.

Most decide on these processors for their core count, not memory architecture. Usually because they have applications that can utilize the additional cores, such as rendering. I would gladly save hundreds of dollars on a lower priced CPU and Z-board if I could as the money is definitely better spent elsewhere but when you consider the time saved in your workflow (=productivity gained), and the lack of choice, then you 'live with it'.

I will admit there are those that purchase just to have the best of the best but i find those individual to be a rare breed.

 

[8350rocks]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

X means you are paying an absurd amount for quad channel memory to most people. Those same people will not see more than 2-3% difference.

Most decide on these processors for their core count, not memory architecture. Usually because they have applications that can utilize the additional cores, such as rendering. I would gladly save hundreds of dollars on a lower priced CPU and Z-board if I could as the money is definitely better spent elsewhere but when you consider the time saved in your workflow (=productivity gained), and the lack of choice, then you 'live with it'.

I will admit there are those that purchase just to have the best of the best but i find those individual to be a rare breed.

There are other options out there now that would allow you to better spend money elsewhere without productivity sacrifices.

 

[Gon Freecss]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

Skylake-X is the new enthusiast desktop platform and replaces Broadwell-E. Kabylake-X is a special Kabylake desktop model compatible with Skylake-X platform. The same socket will support from a 4-core up to a 12-core.

Skylake-X will play games better than Broadwell-E, but I I believe Skylake-X will be better suited for professionals, whereas gamers will be better served by Canonlake.

When will Cannonlake be released for desktop?

Late this year. Rumors mention August.

So what's the point of Coffee Lake?

 

[jwcrellin]

Will 10nm parts come out on this enthusiast chipset?

 

[Phaaze88]

Thanks for clearing that up everyone.
Quad channel can't be the only thing it has going for it. Price aside, the performance increase isn't even that much greater than dual.
The extra cores on the other hand... there are even fewer games using 4+cores than threads. I guess one could grab a six core(though it'd still be kind of a waste)and be good for like 10 years.
I don't really have to, but was considering moving up to the high-end platform just for the hell of it, to sate my curiosity, you know?

 

[juanrga]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

Skylake-X is the new enthusiast desktop platform and replaces Broadwell-E. Kabylake-X is a special Kabylake desktop model compatible with Skylake-X platform. The same socket will support from a 4-core up to a 12-core.

Skylake-X will play games better than Broadwell-E, but I I believe Skylake-X will be better suited for professionals, whereas gamers will be better served by Canonlake.

When will Cannonlake be released for desktop?

Late this year. Rumors mention August.

So what's the point of Coffee Lake?

Mainstream users?

 

[Gon Freecss]

Is the 'x' in Skylake-x and Kabylake-x just short for Xeon, Intel's server platform, and a gamer such as myself has no real reason to invest in one of these babies? Or is the enthusiast label just a misnomer?

Skylake-X is the new enthusiast desktop platform and replaces Broadwell-E. Kabylake-X is a special Kabylake desktop model compatible with Skylake-X platform. The same socket will support from a 4-core up to a 12-core.

Skylake-X will play games better than Broadwell-E, but I I believe Skylake-X will be better suited for professionals, whereas gamers will be better served by Canonlake.

When will Cannonlake be released for desktop?

Late this year. Rumors mention August.

So what's the point of Coffee Lake?

Mainstream users?

Isn't Cannonlake a die-shrink of Skylake/Kaby Lake? If that's so, then there's no point for a 2nd optimization.

If Cannonlake will be released for desktop this year, then again, no point in getting Coffee Lake as it will have higher IPC. lol

 

[juanrga]

Sorry, I confounded Coffee Lake with Cannonlake.

Coffe Lake is released this year. Cannonlake has to wait until 10nm is ready.

 

[jwcrellin]

Did anyone else hear about the core i9 series?

 

[gamerk316]

https://videocardz.com/69457/specifications-of-intels-core-x-i9-and-i7-series-supposedly-leaked

Not shocked; called it last week.

Prediction: The same people who boast about how Ryzen wins in synthetics will complain that these CPUs won't offer any advantage in gaming performance.

Waiting on price.

 

[jwcrellin]

Intel's gotta keep their $1000 pricepoint safe and filled.

 

[8350rocks]

https://videocardz.com/69457/specifications-of-intels-core-x-i9-and-i7-series-supposedly-leaked

Not shocked; called it last week.

Prediction: The same people who boast about how Ryzen wins in synthetics will complain that these CPUs won't offer any advantage in gaming performance.

Waiting on price.

Prediction: Price >$2K