Internet Troll Gets Tracked Down, Confronted in Real Life

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[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]you missed the whole point....[/citation]


No i have not missed it. The freedom of speech was given and designed to peacefully assemble to protest something you do not believe is right. And to stop a government from stopping you criticizing them. In america if you say you hate a race/religion then physically attack them they add years on as it is considered a hate crime. You have the right to not like a race/religion this is true. But no where does that right stretch to be able to force your beliefs on another human being that is the definition of a terrorist.
 
[citation][nom]ringzero[/nom]It's an extreme statement, no doubt. I have no idea how the circumstance would even arise for someone to "give their life" for the person. But it's just hyperbole. The point is that he expressed his belief and it's frankly a pretty admirable one, whether or not he'd live up to it if it came down to it.[/citation]
Is it "admiral" if someone tells you they will hold up a crumbling skyscraper to save the people inside it? That won't be happening either. It is pious self-delusional hyperbole. I fail to see anything admirable about it. It doesn't help anyone to make such a claim.
 
[citation][nom]jl0329[/nom]Not the typical reaction I imagined a troll would have when exposed in real life. If they host a show about hunting internet trolls, I'd definitely watch it.[/citation]
I think if they made a show I'd think there would be more reasons for trolls to troll like for attention and publicity. We don't want that.
 
[citation][nom]juncture[/nom]I think if they made a show I'd think there would be more reasons for trolls to troll like for attention and publicity. We don't want that.[/citation]


They do it as they like the attention and believe they can get away anonymously. You take away their ability to hide and they are less likely to do this. How many people do you see doing this outside of the internet? Next to none right? Its that they think they can say what ever they want without consequences that makes it alright to them. You take away their ability to hide and they are less likely to act this way.
 
[citation][nom]ringzero[/nom]So you're saying that if I find myself around a pedophile I better watch my Ps and Qs buster or else I might provoke him to attack again? That's just living in fear. I'd rather have a list so that HE lives in fear. That's part of his consequences. Don't tell me I have to live in fear because he's a scary guy and watch out don't bother him or remind him of his crimes because he might get mad and turn into the great green horny hulk again.[/citation]
No, what I'm saying is that if you have the option of knowing who IS a sex offender in your neighbourhood. Then it's naturally better if you didn't know. The mere situation in which you are aware of someone changes your behaviour towards that person and in general (you will automatically fall into a patern of fear). Had you not known you might have developed a friendship to said offender constituting to his/her rehabilitation process
 
[citation][nom]danjimaru[/nom]No, what I'm saying is that if you have the option of knowing who IS a sex offender in your neighbourhood. Then it's naturally better if you didn't know. The mere situation in which you are aware of someone changes your behaviour towards that person and in general (you will automatically fall into a patern of fear). Had you not known you might have developed a friendship to said offender constituting to his/her rehabilitation process[/citation]

Or I develop a friendship with said offender, bring them into my family circle, and place them into an extremely tempting and compromising situation with my two boys and baby girl. No thanks.

I'm not likely to make friends with a sex offender, it's true, when it puts my kids at risk. Part of the consequences of committing such a crime is being publicly ostracized. And I resent the implication that it's my responsibility to befriend him to rehabilitate him and if I don't, then I'm responsible for him lapsing into illegal behavior again. And that I have to dangle my own kids out in front of him in ignorance.
 
[citation][nom]danjimaru[/nom]No, what I'm saying is that if you have the option of knowing who IS a sex offender in your neighbourhood. Then it's naturally better if you didn't know. The mere situation in which you are aware of someone changes your behaviour towards that person and in general (you will automatically fall into a patern of fear). Had you not known you might have developed a friendship to said offender constituting to his/her rehabilitation process[/citation]


And also letting your guard down as well as putting your children in danger without knowing it by letting them watch your kids or inviting them into your house. I'm sorry i know they have a mental illness that causes this. But they chose to not only act on it but some one else got hurt (hence them being on the list). Now what you are suggesting is that i leave my family open to be hurt to make them feel better? They should never forget what they did or how it hurt the person they did. When they forget they think its ok to repeat it. Yes a lot of child molestation and such come from family members or friends of the family. But does that make them less dangerous? Or more so since they are no longer in their comfort zone and can not get at their normal targets? Since you agree its an illness and they could relapse. How does not knowing that danger is near by help protect your family exactly?
 
i know its wrong and i feel sorry for the people he was talking about but i hate how britain says racist comments are illegal and all that stuff. yes this guy is an idiot but still, why does it always come down to someone being black or asian
 
[citation][nom]ringzero[/nom]Or I develop a friendship with said offender, bring them into my family circle, and place them into an extremely tempting and compromising situation with my two boys and baby girl. No thanks.I'm not likely to make friends with a sex offender, it's true, when it puts my kids at risk. Part of the consequences of committing such a crime is being publicly ostracized. And I resent the implication that it's my responsibility to befriend him to rehabilitate him and if I don't, then I'm responsible for him lapsing into illegal behavior again. And that I have to dangle my own kids out in front of him in ignorance.[/citation]

Let's imagine this scenario then 33 years old woman served 4 years in a psyciatric ward is out on probation. She was having an afair with a 15 years old boy when she was a gym teacher. She went through 4 years of therapy and during treatment recognized the error she made, which is why the ward released her after careful evaluation. Would it be so disturbing to befriend this woman despite the fact that you deem her to be a danger to your kids? Can your kids not be taught and oriented as to the risks of sexual offenders? I believe that by the time my kids reach the age in which I can trust their guard to a family friend I will have prepared them sufficiently to the danger of abuse or else I might just admitt failure in their education.


Parents these days lack confidence in their methods and like to hoover over their children like helicopters instead thinking they can protect their kids always AND forge independent and confident young adults in the process.
 
[citation][nom]danjimaru[/nom]Let's imagine this scenario then 33 years old woman served 4 years in a psyciatric ward is out on probation. She was having an afair with a 15 years old boy when she was a gym teacher. She went through 4 years of therapy and during treatment recognized the error she made, which is why the ward released her after careful evaluation. Would it be so disturbing to befriend this woman despite the fact that you deem her to be a danger to your kids? Can your kids not be taught and oriented as to the risks of sexual offenders? I believe that by the time my kids reach the age in which I can trust their guard to a family friend I will have prepared them sufficiently to the danger of abuse or else I might just admitt failure in their education. Parents these days lack confidence in their methods and like to hoover over their children like helicopters instead thinking they can protect their kids always AND forge independent and confident young adults in the process.[/citation]


Its not parents. What you are suggesting is saying "teach your kids how to balance themselves then let them go walk the ledges of a bridge they are fine" The question parents ask is there a reason i should endanger my child by letting them around a sex offender? And it is just not worth it. And how about this for a sex offender and potential ones? "Do not mess with children under the age of 18" Is that such a hard concept? If you do you will not only be looked down on but you will also be avoided like the plague. We are not talkingabout some one who stole a gallon of milk to feed a child we are talkingabout emotional and physical scars left on a child for life. So sorry if i say icould care less about their comfort level and how they feel.
 
[citation][nom]lamorpa[/nom]Is it "admiral" if someone tells you they will hold up a crumbling skyscraper to save the people inside it? That won't be happening either. It is pious self-delusional hyperbole. I fail to see anything admirable about it. It doesn't help anyone to make such a claim.[/citation]

So your saying that you would not fight to defend this country and the constitution it is founded on. If you really don't like this country's foundation then why don't you move to a country like where you aren't allowed to say anything offensive and are treated like a child of the government?
 
[citation][nom]zolton33[/nom]How does not knowing that danger is near by help protect your family exactly?[/citation]
You're absolutely right, it doesn't protect my family only conversation and clarification can help prevent such circumstances to an extent... but what it does do is promote seclusion to the individual. Eventually after dealing with a fair amount of public humiliation the person is going to move; potentially to another place where prey isn't seemingly alarmed, he/she will also carry the feeling of resentment from his past community that will make the inclusion even harder from place to place.
If you treat someone long enough badly the psyche of that person will eventually give up fighting and conform to the image that you projected onto it.
 
[citation][nom]zolton33[/nom]Its not parents. What you are suggesting is saying "teach your kids how to balance themselves then let them go walk the ledges of a bridge they are fine" The question parents ask is there a reason i should endanger my child by letting them around a sex offender? And it is just not worth it. And how about this for a sex offender and potential ones? "Do not mess with children under the age of 18" Is that such a hard concept? If you do you will not only be looked down on but you will also be avoided like the plague. We are not talkingabout some one who stole a gallon of milk to feed a child we are talkingabout emotional and physical scars left on a child for life. So sorry if i say icould care less about their comfort level and how they feel.[/citation]

Society doesn't even have a standard age of consent. In my state it is 17. In the neighboring state and Canada it is 16. Many places in the world say it is 14 or 15. I read an psychologists report on the matter who argued that the default standard for thousands of years as to when a woman was considered, no longer off limits, was puberty.
 
[citation][nom]lamorpa[/nom]He said he would "give my life"(his) to defend the free speech rights of a person who posted nasty racist comments on his murdered loved one's memorial site (I guess, following them to the grave). People like to take theoretical pious positions and then try to say they would uphold them under the worst of conditions. This is about the most extreme one I've seen. It's absurd. No one would do that. No one.[/citation]
If he's military, then it's not a theoretical position. Military men and women give their lives all the time in defense of free speech, not just speech they agree with. Perhaps you should think a little more before speaking, because some people honestly do agree with the sentiment of "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (Voltaire).
 
[citation][nom]danjimaru[/nom]You're absolutely right, it doesn't protect my family only conversation and clarification can help prevent such circumstances to an extent... but what it does do is promote seclusion to the individual. Eventually after dealing with a fair amount of public humiliation the person is going to move; potentially to another place where prey isn't seemingly alarmed, he/she will also carry the feeling of resentment from his past community that will make the inclusion even harder from place to place.If you treat someone long enough badly the psyche of that person will eventually give up fighting and conform to the image that you projected onto it.[/citation]


Sorry but i could care less about these types of people and believe a life sentence is the best to prevent them from doing it again. Get it into your head though. Behind every sex offender is a victim. And that victim can never forget what happened to them they feel unsafe getting close to others. Plus the physical damage done to them. Now why should the offender be able to forget it and live a full comfortable life? If they did it once whats to stop them from doing it again? A few words exchanged with a therapist and a few pills? Sorry but i will never put my kids at risk to make some one like this comfortable.
 
[citation][nom]zolton33[/nom]So sorry if i say icould care less about their comfort level and how they feel.[/citation]
Well the question is how far would you go to protect your own family? As far as endangering someone else's kids?? Is that the solution, to sweep the front porch and show the cold shoulder to weaker links of society?
My education has teached me to show mercy and forgiveness upon people that have comitted mistakes, no matter how grave they were. The law that condemns these predators is based on that very principle.
 
[citation][nom]kdw75[/nom]Society doesn't even have a standard age of consent. In my state it is 17. In the neighboring state and Canada it is 16. Many places in the world say it is 14 or 15. I read an psychologists report on the matter who argued that the default standard for thousands of years as to when a woman was considered, no longer off limits, was puberty.[/citation]


Yeah and we also use to burn people and hang them. We also use to limit people on what they can or can not do based on gender as well as race. We learned from past mistakes and have come above such ignorance. At the start of puberty a young women's body is not fully developed. With the additives and such to our foods we have gradually sped up puberty. In my grand parents day a woman did not start until age 16 on average. Today its not unheard of for a 10-12 year old to start. Does that mean a 10-12 year old is able to think and know about sex its consequences and to take a partner? Under 18 can still be considered statutory rape in almost all states. I've known 18 year old guys put on the list for having a 17 year old girl friend but the parents did not like him. The girl did not pursue it the parents did.
 
[citation][nom]danjimaru[/nom]Well the question is how far would you go to protect your own family? As far as endangering someone else's kids?? Is that the solution, to sweep the front porch and show the cold shoulder to weaker links of society?My education has teached me to show mercy and forgiveness upon people that have comitted mistakes, no matter how grave they were. The law that condemns these predators is based on that very principle.[/citation]


So now you are trying to say i'm responsible for some one else's kids? That is the main problem with our country in that people do not take care of their own family and worry about that instead of some one else's. Teaching your kids about abduction as well as what bad people there are and how to avoid them is only 1 step. The second is to "WATCH" your own kids and to protect them and to keep them away from people that can/would do them harm. If each parent took care of their kids and worried less about others the better off we all would be.
 
[citation][nom]zolton33[/nom]Yeah and we also use to burn people and hang them. We also use to limit people on what they can or can not do based on gender as well as race. We learned from past mistakes and have come above such ignorance. At the start of puberty a young women's body is not fully developed. With the additives and such to our foods we have gradually sped up puberty. In my grand parents day a woman did not start until age 16 on average. Today its not unheard of for a 10-12 year old to start. Does that mean a 10-12 year old is able to think and know about sex its consequences and to take a partner? Under 18 can still be considered statutory rape in almost all states. I've known 18 year old guys put on the list for having a 17 year old girl friend but the parents did not like him. The girl did not pursue it the parents did.[/citation]


There was a case not long ago, that I thought was terrible, where a man and woman who were 15 and 16 got married in Kansas. They then moved to Nebraska and were charged with all kinds of sex crimes. To me you should not be a criminal simply because you walk across a line. I also knew a man that was put on the sex offender list for urinating in public when he was a young man. You would think that a judge would use some common sense, but if you look it up he has his picture and a map to his house. His father was a highway patrolman which caused him an amazing amount of embarrassment for his family. He did eventually get off the list after several years by going back to the court.

My point is would you really be scared if you had children and lived next to this guy?
 
[citation][nom]zolton33[/nom]So now you are trying to say i'm responsible for some one else's kids? That is the main problem with our country in that people do not take care of their own family and worry about that instead of some one else's. Teaching your kids about abduction as well as what bad people there are and how to avoid them is only 1 step. The second is to "WATCH" your own kids and to protect them and to keep them away from people that can/would do them harm. If each parent took care of their kids and worried less about others the better off we all would be.[/citation]

I agree. I don't trust the government to tell me who is or isn't dangerous. What government office would you trust your child's safety too? I teach my children to use their head and how to handle situations with strangers or people that they might encounter. I have much faith in them. I am pretty sure that the vast majority of sex crimes against children are committed by family members or people close to the family. Attacks on strangers is very rare.
 
As for what i would do personally? I've made my position clear to these types of individuals. You mess with my kids you will be attacked violently. I will gladly protect my children with my life. And any one sick enough to mess with a kid to begin with i want nothing to do with. I do not need or want these individuals in my life. Do you even have a kid? I question it as i do not know a single parent that would say "Oh you use to molest kids? By all means come in my house eat my food and come to my get together's and please come around my children".
 
[citation][nom]zolton33[/nom]So now you are trying to say i'm responsible for some one else's kids? That is the main problem with our country in that people do not take care of their own family and worry about that instead of some one else's.[/citation]
The thing is, we live in a society where everybody has to take care of each other. When people do not then that's the origin of anti-social behaviour. Big city life, anonymousity, the selfish motives we have to put ourselves and our kin first - these are all factors that promote anti-social dissorders in a community.

If farmers stopped farming, (and there is good reason for them to do as there is no money left in farming) who would produce the food for you to eat? We are highly dependant upon labour and services of our fellow citizens, as such we need to work as one to try cope with the problems of society as a whole. Disinterest and ignoring the problem only makes it worse for everybody. We are all in the same boat
 
[citation][nom]kdw75[/nom]There was a case not long ago, that I thought was terrible, where a man and woman who were 15 and 16 got married in Kansas. They then moved to Nebraska and were charged with all kinds of sex crimes. To me you should not be a criminal simply because you walk across a line. I also knew a man that was put on the sex offender list for urinating in public when he was a young man. You would think that a judge would use some common sense, but if you look it up he has his picture and a map to his house. His father was a highway patrolman which caused him an amazing amount of embarrassment for his family. He did eventually get off the list after several years by going back to the court. My point is would you really be scared if you had children and lived next to this guy?[/citation]


On most registries they list the crimes that got them on there and the victims ages. So no i do not say "well he is on the list so avoid him like the plague because of it" I avoid the violent offenders that rape as well as mess with little kids.
 
[citation][nom]kdw75[/nom]I agree. I don't trust the government to tell me who is or isn't dangerous. What government office would you trust your child's safety too? I teach my children to use their head and how to handle situations with strangers or people that they might encounter. I have much faith in them. I am pretty sure that the vast majority of sex crimes against children are committed by family members or people close to the family. Attacks on strangers is very rare.[/citation]


That is true. I do not trust a governments full reach. As governments are always reaching for more laws and less freedoms (sopa as an example lol). And yes a lot are done by close family members or friends of the family. Which is why i would not welcome a sex offender into my home to give them the chance. And also why i would keep my family from them.
 
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