Discussion Is Nvidia’s dominance killing innovation in the GPU market ?

[SamuelMIz]

With Nvidia maintaining a strong lead in both consumer and AI GPU markets, I'm curious is this dominance actually stifling innovation or pushing it forward?


AMD has made solid moves with RDNA3, and Intel’s Arc is gaining slow traction but we’re still seeing Nvidia dictate pricing market direction, and software ecosystems like DLSS and CUDA.


As GPU enthusiasts and builders, what’s your take:

Are we in a golden age of GPUs or a monopolistic chokehold?
What’s your prediction for how AMD/Intel can disrupt this?
Is Nvidia’s performance leadership justified by real-world gaming and productivity value?

Let’s discuss where the market is heading and whether true competition still exists.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Nvidia is the dominant player for sure. One promising thing however, look at AMD with their recent 9070/9070xt. True they are hard to find at msrp but that fact is true across the market right now. I think I did read that AMD sold more of those than nvidia had of their entire 50 series.

That said compared to nvidia AMD is a small player. But the 9070xt is fairly close to the 5070ti in performance with an msrp of $150 less (good luck finding them for msrp). I think the 9070 has a good edge over the 12gb 5070, and the upcoming 9060xt 16gb is rumored to be faster than the 5060ti.

I also saw that they think intel has some new gpus in the works. Nvidia may not be scared per se, but there are rumors that they’re going to release at some point a 5080 super and possibly some others. If their new cards are as big of a hit as we think, why do they feel the need to re release after less than a year?

So nvidia is the dominate player and AMD and Intel have catching up to do. Nvidia seems focused on AI at the moment so there’s definitely an opportunity.

 

[SamuelMIz]

Nvidia is the dominant player for sure. One promising thing however, look at AMD with their recent 9070/9070xt. True they are hard to find at msrp but that fact is true across the market right now. I think I did read that AMD sold more of those than nvidia had of their entire 50 series.

That said compared to nvidia AMD is a small player. But the 9070xt is fairly close to the 5070ti in performance with an msrp of $150 less (good luck finding them for msrp). I think the 9070 has a good edge over the 12gb 5070, and the upcoming 9060xt 16gb is rumored to be faster than the 5060ti.

I also saw that they think intel has some new gpus in the works. Nvidia may not be scared per se, but there are rumors that they’re going to release at some point a 5080 super and possibly some others. If their new cards are as big of a hit as we think, why do they feel the need to re release after less than a year?

So nvidia is the dominate player and AMD and Intel have catching up to do. Nvidia seems focused on AI at the moment so there’s definitely an opportunity.

best answer good job

 

[faalin]

Nvidia is trying really hard this year with the 5000 series to F things up. Missing ROPs, missing load line calibration on the 12v plug to make sure the plugs dont melt, driver issues, and the no reviews on the 5060/ti until release day. Plus how they are starting to treat reviewers and the possibility of reviewer blacklist.

5060 8GB -> drop to a 5050 something just better then on CPU graphics
5060ti 8GB ->not released
5070 12GB -> 5070 but with 16GB
5060ti 16GB -> 5060, 16GB or 8GB not both
5070ti 16GB -> 5080
5080 16GB -> 5090
5090 32GB -Called a Titan
Next year 2026 release the Ti versions or Supers

If AMD could ever pull off their 2017 Ryzen release with their GPUs that would be amazing. From 2010 to 2017 they rode the k10 and Bulldozer train till the release of Ryzen in 2017 and smacked intel on the head as they were complacent with their 14nm++++++ core cpu.

Im really hoping the CPU side will start handing over some of its tech with chiplets and 3d v-cache to the GPU side and AMD cans stick it to Nvidia.

Truthfully the hole market just needs to get together and slow the release of products. CPUs release on the odd years and GPUs release on the even years. Hell we still have computers at work running intel i5 2500 cpus and the only reason to upgrade is because they cant run windows 11. Heck people are still running Ryzen 5000 series cpus and there has been a complete platform cange and 2 more generations of CPU's released since then.

 

[Zerk2012]

Depends in what market you look at.
Gaming cards are a small part of their revenue.
Data Center 115 Billion
Gaming 11 B
Work station 2 B

For gaming they have no competition in the high end market but that is a low % of card sales.
The mid range cards are a much higher % of sales.
Their downfall right now is the driver issues. I can't remeber them ever having issues like that with any other release. It might start a trend of not bothering to make sure drivers are ready for the gaming cards since it's a low % of the overall revenue.

To me it looks like AMD is not even interested in gaining market share. They could increase sales if the made all the cards 256 bit, but that would be mostly just with the people that actully know what to look for in a card, again a small% of consumers.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Though what AMD has done with the 9070 series is impressive, I think they plan to next switch to UDNA so this could be a generation for rebuilding and starting to refine some of the software side and upscaling etc.

 

[futureman 101]

I thnk that's there's plenty of innovation and Nvidia do seem to be at the forefront with the other companies not far behind, and knowing the worth of the market and trying to keep it drives them forward.

 

[Lamarr the Strelok]

The biggest problem for the others is nvidia has a lot of people that think they're the best.I was so enthused when Intel announced getting into gpu's. Awesome! They have decades building cpu's with graphics so they can just transfer all that knowledge into making separate gpu's right?! Eh... No. It's obviously not that easy.
Personally if I was a nvidia owner, the drivers would be the least of my worries. They usually get straightened out eventually.
Not here but sometimes people defend nvidia to a seriously disturbing degree.The richest corp in the world doesn't care about you. Not that billion dollar corps care, but lesser of 2 evils and all that.

 

[acadia11]

No but it’ sure is killing pricing. The confusing thing is AMD has the engineering chops to compete, ilbutbhavent been able to really hang in the last decade?

 

[acadia11]

Nvidia is trying really hard this year with the 5000 series to F things up. Missing ROPs, missing load line calibration on the 12v plug to make sure the plugs dont melt, driver issues, and the no reviews on the 5060/ti until release day. Plus how they are starting to treat reviewers and the possibility of reviewer blacklist.

5060 8GB -> drop to a 5050 something just better then on CPU graphics
5060ti 8GB ->not released
5070 12GB -> 5070 but with 16GB
5060ti 16GB -> 5060, 16GB or 8GB not both
5070ti 16GB -> 5080
5080 16GB -> 5090
5090 32GB -Called a Titan
Next year 2026 release the Ti versions or Supers

If AMD could ever pull off their 2017 Ryzen release with their GPUs that would be amazing. From 2010 to 2017 they rode the k10 and Bulldozer train till the release of Ryzen in 2017 and smacked intel on the head as they were complacent with their 14nm++++++ core cpu.

Im really hoping the CPU side will start handing over some of its tech with chiplets and 3d v-cache to the GPU side and AMD cans stick it to Nvidia.

Truthfully the hole market just needs to get together and slow the release of products. CPUs release on the odd years and GPUs release on the even years. Hell we still have computers at work running intel i5 2500 cpus and the only reason to upgrade is because they cant run windows 11. Heck people are still running Ryzen 5000 series cpus and there has been a complete platform cange and 2 more generations of CPU's released since then.

But we knew Zen was coming bulldozer wasn’t a stop gap, it was just delayed by 2 years at which point it was behind had it been on time in 08 instead of 2010 it would have been a very different game. Bulldozer was delayed and thusly inferior in terms of performance plus it lacked ability to scale because of its shortened pipeline. I really think Lisa Sus leadership and herself being a hardcore engineer understood both from a business standpoint and they necessary direction needed for zen, and voila. amD had solid AI GPus with instinct, but they purposely left out a Halo product and stopped chasing Nvidia in order to gain market share similar to their early CPU days … but it really took just having a better product Intel for them to make their name … They used the same with Opteron approach price/core but eventually did have a better product overall than Xeon, not sure why they don’t just focus on having better GPUs than Nvidia … and I don’t see anything in the pipeline, they canceled NAVI 43 ? So where is the product they are working on … that actually can be that Zen.

I say this to say it’s great they are giving a product almost as good as Mvidia in the mid tier … but the lack of the mindshare, and Halo vision, hurts them in this arena. And even thought their AI GPUs are competitive again still behind Nvidia … the bottom line AMD GPU strategy is ?

 

[beyondlogic]

innovation in gpu markets been dead for more reasons then nvidia board partners rarely get creative or have much creative control.

though im hoping that will change with intel in the mix

intel> amd> nvidia 3 fish one is on the heels of the other but once intel catches up more nvidia will take notice.

amd are not daft they no there margins are in the middle ground which is why there focusing there.

 

[beyondlogic]

But we knew Zen was coming bulldozer wasn’t a stop gap, it was just delayed by 2 years at which point it was behind had it been on time in 08 instead of 2010 it would have been a very different game. Bulldozer was delayed and thusly inferior in terms of performance plus it lacked ability to scale because of its shortened pipeline. I really think Lisa Sus leadership and herself being a hardcore engineer understood both from a business standpoint and they necessary direction needed for zen, and voila. amD had solid AI GPus with instinct, but they purposely left out a Halo product and stopped chasing Nvidia in order to gain market share similar to their early CPU days … but it really took just having a better product Intel for them to make their name … They used the same with Opteron approach price/core but eventually did have a better product overall than Xeon, not sure why they don’t just focus on having better GPUs than Nvidia … and I don’t see anything in the pipeline, they canceled NAVI 43 ? So where is the product they are working on … that actually can be that Zen.

I say this to say it’s great they are giving a product almost as good as Mvidia in the mid tier … but the lack of the mindshare, and Halo vision, hurts them in this arena. And even thought their AI GPUs are competitive again still behind Nvidia … the bottom line AMD GPU strategy is ?

bulldozer had far more issues then just being delayed

disastrous not being read properly by windows.

2 cores or more acting as 1 unit with shared resources caused core parking it was a mess.

but they learned from it

rdna 3 is a learning curve. they tried chiplets it failed was just over complex and had conflicting and power issues.