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Kevin Walsh wrote:
> Unless you mix some rush with your bleeds, which seems like a
> reasonable plan to me, and something that B+B decks should be doing
> already, IMO.
Depends on how much Rush you mix in.
If you mix in 3 or 4 Bum's Rushes, say, you are gambling on having one at
the right time to save yourself from horrible hand jam and allwing yourself
to Rush minions that need to die. If you mix in 8-10, you aren't so much a
Bruise and Bleed deck as you are a Rush deck.
Historically, the Bruise and Bleed deck (B+B) has been typified by having a
bleed discipline (Presence or Dominate) backed by a combat discipline
(Potence or Thaumaturgy). It intends on bleeding for substantial amounts per
action (let's say 3, from Legal or Govern or Conditioning or something), and
if it gets blocked, it has theoretically enough combat to mess up the
blocker, to disuade people from blocking.
If you have enough combat, however, to reliably torporize folks, you are
going to get hand jammed something fierce if no one ever blocks you--you go
to bleed for 3 a couple times, you succeed in bleeding or you get bounced,
and then you spend the next few turns bleeding for one per action with 2 or
3 minions hoping someone blocks you while you wildly discard to find the
next bleed action.
You can mix in Bum's Rushes to the deck, hoping to be able to proactively
Rush to avoid this, but if you don't have enough of them, they become a
total prayer angle (i.e. the same thing happens as above, but you are
discarding wildly hoping to find a Rush or a bleed action). If you have
enough of them (8+), then you have limited room for bleed angles, and the
Rush becomes your whole strategy (and if the combat doesn't work, you die,
'cause you can't bleed fast enough, 'cause instead of 8 Governs you have 8
Bum's Rushes). The middle ground is very hard to find.
Yes. These days, there are a couple vampires with Dominate, Potence, and
inherrent Rush (Taco Bell and Ignatzio), who, if you build a deck around
them, will completely aleviate these problems. But historically, this hasn't
been the case ('cause Taco Bell and Ignatzio are very new, relative to the
rest of the game), so when someone refers to "Bruise and Bleed", they tend
to be thinking in terms of "Bruise and Bleed" as it has historically
been--i.e. bad. Build a deck with a lot of bleed, a lot of combat, and 5
Ignaztio Giovannis, and you aren't playing a deck that historically is a
"bruise and bleed" deck.
Peter D Bakija
pdb6@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6
"How does this end?"
"In fire."
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