New Tom’s Forum Announcement & Feedback

Page 7 - Seeking answers? Join the Tom's Hardware community: where nearly two million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Do you use the browser's zoom at all?
Nope. Nearly always browse at 100%. Sometimes I'll zoom if text or a picture is too small on a page, but I always ctrl-0 to reset it after.

Another wonderful reason I try not to use Chrome as my daily browser. It's compatibility with many sites is just sub-par.
Firefox for life baby.
I was a die-hard Firefox user for over a decade. But it just kept getting slower and slower. What got me to finally switch to Chrome was incognito mode, and tab process isolation. In Firefox, if a script on a tab hung, the entire browser would hang. I'd have to kill the browser to recover, losing all my other tabs. In Chrome, only the one tab hangs and you can close the recalcitrant tab. Firefox has private mode now, and I think Firefox eventually switched to a separate process per tab, but I had long switched to Chrome by then.

I still use Firefox inside my secure VM for things like banking. But my general browsing is with Chrome in incognito mode. I tried switching back for a while, but then Firefox started trying to make itself look more and more like Chrome. So I figured what's the point, and stuck with Chrome.

It doesn't show up for me either on Chrome. I just now tested it to see if it was just him or not.
Oh ho. For some reason your post made me test re-sizing the browser. If you shrink the browser's width, "Forum" disappears. If you shrink it further, the next link ("Deals") does not disappear, until when the width is small enough everything disappears. So for some reason "Forum" is behaving differently from the other links on that row.

Edit: Same behavior in Firefox and Edge. Definitely the browser width which is causing it to disappear.

Editx2: Tried it in Safari and same thing.
 
Last edited:

QwerkyPengwen

Splendid
Ambassador
weird. I never had issues with any of that in Firefox. Was always able to restore firefox sessions no problem.
And when it comes to private mode, firefox had that very shortly after chrome did, or possibly before chrome. Can't quite remember, but then again, I don't use those modes because I've got nothing to hide when it comes to my browser history. Especially since my PC is my own and nobody dares touch it.

I always had nothing but problems with Chrome being the one that was slow back in the day.
And yeah, firefox did at one point start to slow down just a little, but that was because they were reaching the limitations of the render engine at the time with all the features they were adding, which forced them to create an entirely new gecko engine forever ago, and it's been pretty snappy ever since. The only thing firefox takes an extra couple seconds with is anything Google related such as loading up Gmail, YouTube, and Google Drive because Google went out of their way to program their stuff so that it acts slower when being accessed by any browser but their own, just so that they could try and say Chrome is faster and therefore better and you should switch to using it lol.

I also didn't like how Chrome uses a ton of CPU and GPU to run, it's not fun when trying to do other things with those resources, especially on lower end hardware. Whereas Firefox relies more on storing data in the RAM and only calling upon it if needed to be processed, which makes it use more RAM than Chrome, but unlike Chrome, doesn't sit there constantly processing information on the fly because it barely stores anything in the RAM.

On top of that further, their Adobe flash support is absolutely horrible. At first, they had their own flash kernal that the browser used by default, but with a little tweaking in the settings, you could disable that and force the browser to use adobe flash that was installed on the PC, allowing me to set permissions in flash in control panel to allow the loading of old SWF content for me to work on translating it over and updating it to newer formats, until then they dropped that ability all together and force you to use their own flash kernal. Which halted my process in terms of making things compatible with the chrome browser, since I couldn't test anything on a dev level with Chrome being that way. Sucked.

As an example of what I am referring to, would you happen to be old enough to remember the PlayOnline strategy guide site for Final Fantasy IX Strategy Guide?
That old site can't be accessed anymore since forever, but, however, there just so happens to be a complete site rip that you can find online in a couple of places, and that site was built old school using SWF content to make it interactive, however, that is super outdated and no longer supported properly by browsers since forever, and would get a warning page about loading the content, so in order to peruse the site and start working on translating it over to newer formats, I needed to be able to load the content, and couldn't do that without making the browser use the installed flash player and rely on it's settings that I would adjust to allow the content. And Chrome went and effed that up completely for me years ago, and I've officially hated it from a web dev perspective ever since.

But at the end of the day, if it works for you it works for you. And for a majority of users who just use their browsers to just simply browse, it's a perfectly fine browser.

But for power users and devs like me, it just doesn't cut it.

At least we can all agree that Microsoft wouldn't know how to make a web browser to save their lives am I right? XD
Granted, they made a decent attempt with Edge. wasn't half bad.
 

Tanyac

Reputable
2. It's WAY harder to see unanswered threads than before.
Have to agree with this one. On the old forum )given my aging eyesight), it was easy to spot the "Answer this" black button. I generally don't add to threads that already have answers as that may be rude to take over someones efforts to assist another. But now it's a struggle for me to find unanswered threads so I've just stopped.
 

Colif

Win 11 Master
Moderator
I generally don't add to threads that already have answers as that may be rude to take over someones efforts to assist another.

before i was a mod, I often wished people would help answering questions as to me, its better the person gets the right answer as opposed to who wins the answer.

So not jumping in is just continuing the pattern of others around here who see 1 person answer and won't look to see if the answer is on track and going to help the person answering the question.

Don't take this personal, I just thought I offer a counter argument to not answering questions others have already tried to.
 
Feb 14, 2019
40
12
35
It says to find Article comments under Article comment category. Well, I can't find that listed anywhere. The user interface in the forum isn't very
user friendly. At top should have a nice list of Categories under "Forums/Categories"
 

jpishgar

Splendid
Overlord Emeritus
With all due respect, as I'm told you're literally the smartest guy on the Tom's crew, only 15 "melting the servers"? I literally had 114 embedded videos on my GR Wildlands Extreme No HUD/Upgrades tutorial on the previous forum and it never once showed the slightest sign of a problem with posting them or viewing them. If you had meant only so many servers are engaged so far on the new forum, I would have thought you would indicate that, but you made it sound like an inherent limitation with the new software. Hence my jaw dropping to the floor.

The Tom's Community has 2.7 million members who have posted hundreds of millions of threads across the width and breadth of two decades. The servers most assuredly can handle your individual thread, but my caution was in making a change that rippled out to the vast ocean of all threads across all time that had any media embedded in them ever. Making adjustments is something there is strong appetite to do in the post-migration state, but caution must be exercised when changing the physics of the forum universe. As a case in point, during a post-migration state on AnandTech, when the posts per page setting was changed from 10 to 20, it didn't just happily change one minor thing kept independent at the bottom of the page for pagination - it altered the indexation and pagination for every thread page that ever was for those forums, bringing the servers to their knees for an evening.

The ones we're on are quite powerful (thanks DevOps!) but I'll need to review with people smarter and more proficient than I before considering lifting the media cap higher than 15 or setting it to infinite, which is also an option. This is to say that an extraordinarily minor change at the systemic level on a forum this large can have broad ranging effects. I'll investigate and come back to this. In the interim... you have 114 videos embedded in a single tutorial? Over-achiever, you! Show me?

I generally don't add to threads that already have answers as that may be rude to take over someones efforts to assist another. But now it's a struggle for me to find unanswered threads so I've just stopped.

Noted for theme adjustments. There should be a little question mark icon indicated in the thread listing view to show threads that aren't solved. For Unanswered, at current there's the menu item on the left-hand rail "Unanswered".

It says to find Article comments under Article comment category.

Mis-attribution - this is meant to say News Comments and Reviews Comments categories.
 

Aeacus

Titan
Ambassador
Not sure if it's already posted here (didn't read the whole topic) but i have issues of getting alerts (notifications) about new replies in the topics where i've replied. When someone gives me a like, quotes my reply or selects BA, i'll get an alert. But if someone just replies in the topic, i don't get any alerts and i'm left in the dark.

Also, what is the Watched threads thing in the forums? I went over the User Guide (link) and didn't see any info about it. Is that the thing to get new reply alerts within topics? If so, it's very tedious to manually select "Watch" on each and every topic i reply into. Which brings forth another question; any way to make the "Watch" feature automatic once replied in the topic, as it was in the old forums? If so, how?
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
Not sure if it's already posted here (didn't read the whole topic) but i have issues of getting alerts (notifications) about new replies in the topics where i've replied. When someone gives me a like, quotes my reply or selects BA, i'll get an alert. But if someone just replies in the topic, i don't get any alerts and i'm left in the dark.

Also, what is the Watched threads thing in the forums? I went over the User Guide (link) and didn't see any info about it. Is that the thing to get new reply alerts within topics? If so, it's very tedious to manually select "Watch" on each and every topic i reply into. Which brings forth another question; any way to make the "Watch" feature automatic once replied in the topic, as it was in the old forums? If so, how?

On the left side bar, under "Find Threads" there is an option for "Threads with your posts". This is what I now use to find those threads I've posted in. If another has posted a reply, the thread title will be Bolded.

-Wolf sends
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator

Jsimenhoff

Community Manager
Editor
Feb 28, 2016
1,814
190
11,990
Realizing that I need more coffee and to use more precise language. Where's that coffee again....

So, just to clarify what I said earlier, @Wolfshadw a thread that is unread is bold and a thread that is read is in normal text. So instead of the red flag on read posts the title will now display in normal size text. In the example below, the top thread is read and the bottom thread is unread.
o9FGvvE.png
 

Rogue Leader

It's a trap!
Moderator
I am in the process of putting together a script for the video tutorial of the new forums and would like anyone in the staff if possible to send me a PM so that we can get in touch through Discord and I can clarify some things and go over the details briefly that I will cover in the video so that everything is cohesive and makes sense. I have plans to have the video fully recorded, edited, and uploaded to YouTube by this weekend.

P.S. - The video tutorial will have both a web browser and a desktop screen cap of my mobile phone and it will include going through the site both on desktop and mobile at the same time for users to be able to see what's different between the two and be able to have a single tutorial video cover both methods of using the site at the same time.

Thanks for doing that, very nice of you. I seem to remember you mentioning in another thread you wanted to change your name? If so please PM me I would be glad to help with that. Probably good to do before releasing your video.

Not sure if it's already posted here (didn't read the whole topic) but i have issues of getting alerts (notifications) about new replies in the topics where i've replied. When someone gives me a like, quotes my reply or selects BA, i'll get an alert. But if someone just replies in the topic, i don't get any alerts and i'm left in the dark.

Also, what is the Watched threads thing in the forums? I went over the User Guide (link) and didn't see any info about it. Is that the thing to get new reply alerts within topics? If so, it's very tedious to manually select "Watch" on each and every topic i reply into. Which brings forth another question; any way to make the "Watch" feature automatic once replied in the topic, as it was in the old forums? If so, how?

Any topic that was not replied to post migration won't alert (unless you reply again). However you can see these threads by clicking "Threads with your posts" on the left. If you want a thread to alert you you can either reply again, or click "Watch"

Watch is normally for threads you did not yet reply to that you want to be alerted on replies to. You don't need to click watch on threads you reply to on the new platform, its done automatically.
 

Jsimenhoff

Community Manager
Editor
Feb 28, 2016
1,814
190
11,990
I also want to add, that there has been a ton of feedback asking for a red flag on unread posts or some kind of other notification other than the schema in place. We hear you loud and clear! We'll circle back with our theme developers and see what options we have available.
 
Last edited:

Math Geek

Titan
Ambassador
I also want to add, that there has been a ton of feedback asking for a red flag on unread posts or some kind other notification other than the schema in place. We hear you loud and clear! We'll circle back with our theme developers and see what options we have available.


thanks. i'll look closer now for the bold/unbold scheme in place. not sure why i missed it but i guess i was just looking for that old real obvious flag so hard i did not notice the subtler bold/unbold thing going on. every day i notice something new and assume i'll eventually notice that aspect as well, especially considering it is pointed out now.

but good to know the feedback was heard and something more obvious could be in the works :D
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
Realizing that I need more coffee and to use more precise language. Where's that coffee again....

So, just to clarify what I said earlier, @Wolfshadw a thread that is unread is bold and a thread that is read is in normal text. So instead of the red flag on read posts the title will now display in normal size text. In the example below, the top thread is read and the bottom thread is unread.
o9FGvvE.png


hehe... Definitely find that coffee.

Correct me if I'm wrong here:

  1. New post is listed. It's title is in bold.
  2. We read the thread. It's title is now is normal text.
  3. Someone else replies in that thread, It's title is now in bold again.

At this point, how can we know if we've read this thread already? Not just the new reply, but the entire thread?

-Wolf sends
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nigel Spike

Math Geek

Titan
Ambassador
wofl's had the coffee already. that's probably why i did not notice it. it was unbold but then once replied to it was back to bold so i clicked it again. and of course it moves back to the top of the list so i see it again at the top even though i read it an hour ago.

it's all making sense now. so i guess we do need that flag type signal to know i've read it......
 

Wolfshadw

Titan
Moderator
That's correct! Threads become unread once there is unread content within the thread.

And that's the point. There's no way of telling if I'd read the original post in any given thread if there has been a reply since I've read it.

As an example, say the thread title is something ambiguous like, "I Need Help". I read the thread and it's something I know nothing about and no one else has responded. Ok. I have to go to work. Nine hours later, I get home, and come to Tom's. There's a thread titled, "I Need Help" that has one reply.

How can I know if it's the same thread that I read this morning, but still know nothing about?

-Wolf sends
 
Status
Not open for further replies.