Nvidia Announcements: GeForce GTX 780 Ti, G-Sync, And More

[RupertJr]

do we really need a proprietary hardware for fps syncronization? this is insulting consumers inteligence! couldn't they create an standard? this is inadmissible! a few days ago AMD submited a patch to VESA standard VESA Display ID v1.3 to fix 4K display problems, couldn't they do the same regarding this? I can't really believe that we need G-Sync, we have been using hi res and high fps for years without issues...

 

[loops]

So if I get a new 400 dollar G-sync monitor I can only enjoy the g-sync with a Nvidia card?

I'd like to pick AMD or Nvidia on other grounds like price/performance. As it stands I get more with AMD but I do miss Nvidia. My 7870 xt cost me $180 dollars and still beats or hangs with most $200-$250 cards offered by Nvidia.

I dont get it. I'd have a shield too but my GPU does not play with it. I was thinking of a steam box, but I am still not giving up my gpu. I want to give Nvidia my money but they are not giving me a reason to.

BTW, BF4 game code or go home.

 

[Mousemonkey]

do we really need a proprietary hardware for fps syncronization? this is insulting consumers inteligence! couldn't they create an standard? this is inadmissible! a few days ago AMD submited a patch to VESA standard VESA Display ID v1.3 to fix 4K display problems, couldn't they do the same regarding this? I can't really believe that we need G-Sync, we have been using hi res and high fps for years without issues...

It's no more insulting than HDMI and people have been sucking that up for years so if you don't want this then don't buy one of the monitors, simple really.

 

[jessterman21]

G-sync is a gamechanger for sure. I've always been a believer that 35-45fps is perfectly smooth if the game in question has enough motion-blur to hide the tearing. (Case in point, I have Crysis 3 locked at 35fps @1200p and it's great to be able to turn everything up and still get plenty of responsiveness and smoothness.) But being able to have a variable framerate lower than 60fps and no tearing or extra lag? Amazing. Might cause a lot of folks to spend more on their monitor than their GPU, though. I know I'd be fine with a <$200 GPU and get lower fps if I can get one of these monitors, too.

 

[iam2thecrowe]

The G-Sync sounds incredible to me...though I cant be ditching my current monitors in response 🙁

G-Sync is just another name for v-sync (sound familiar?). G-sync is simply the equivalent of limiting a video card's refresh rate to the monitor refresh rate. This technology has been around for decades. Nvidia must be running out press releases to advertise the re-invention of a technology that has been around a while.

I think many people here completely misunderstood what g-sync is, it is like vsync, but instead of having a fixed refresh rate, the refresh rate is variable to whatever the graphics card FPS is outputting. So its not re-inventing, its refining. So instead of the gpu waiting for the monitor to refresh to release a frame (vsync), the gpu just releases its frame as it normally would with vsync off but that dictates the monitors refresh rate, so you get all the benefits of having vsync off, with no tearing.

 

[qlum]

Variable gpu depended framerates on on monitors sounded so nice and then nvidea had to make it another vendor lock in.

 

[CaptainTom]

I feel like Nvidia's goal is to make all Titan owners regret their purchase more and more. I mean the idea was solid: A super card that acts as a flagship for several generations. But in practice it was just a price-gouging 780 that got beaten in half a year...

Isn't every flagship card a price gouger that will only be superseded in a matter of time? Or is every AMD/ATi flagship card still top dog?

No. No flagship card has launched at that kind of exorbitant price while only just beating an overclocked version of the previous performance crown. Nvidia claimed enthusiasts could be content that the Titan would keep its crown for a long time. The 7970 kept its crown for over a year until a card beat it that cost 2.5x as much...

 

[Mousemonkey]

Variable gpu depended framerates on on monitors sounded so nice and then nvidea had to make it another vendor lock in.

Well AMD are free to make their own module but maybe they just spent all their money on Mantle instead (also a vendor lock in by the way).

 

[CaptainTom]

do we really need a proprietary hardware for fps syncronization? this is insulting consumers inteligence! couldn't they create an standard? this is inadmissible! a few days ago AMD submited a patch to VESA standard VESA Display ID v1.3 to fix 4K display problems, couldn't they do the same regarding this? I can't really believe that we need G-Sync, we have been using hi res and high fps for years without issues...

Well that is Nvidia's motto: "We can't beat them in a fair fight so lets fight dirty."

The benchmarks are coming in and it looks like the 290X will absolutely smash the 780 and narrowly beat the Titan. The Titan was all Nvidia could muster. What else can they do besides gimmicks?

 

[CaptainTom]

Variable gpu depended framerates on on monitors sounded so nice and then nvidea had to make it another vendor lock in.

Well AMD are free to make their own module but maybe they just spent all their money on Mantle instead (also a vendor lock in by the way).

Except that Nvidia is free to join in.

 

[monsta]

I was expecting the GTX 790.....grrrr!

 

[Mousemonkey]

Variable gpu depended framerates on on monitors sounded so nice and then nvidea had to make it another vendor lock in.

Well AMD are free to make their own module but maybe they just spent all their money on Mantle instead (also a vendor lock in by the way).

Except that Nvidia is free to join in.

Clarify please, join in with what? Proprietary software?

 

[technoholic]

This news about GTX 780 Ti seems to me that Nvidia was alerted and prepared this time. AMD surprised and somewhat tricked Nvidia last year with 7970 to 7970 Ghz transmission + good driver releases. Vanilla 7970 suddenly turned into a price/performance star. And 7970 Ghz is still an awesome part, especially under a new name + even better price/performance ratio. I bet Nvidia was so much pissed off at 7970/Ghz and they didn't want to be caught unprepared this year

I also think that Nvidia is in a little paranoia. Because they act too soon now. Let's keep in mind that AMD's R9 290 and 290x haven't even hit the market as of yet. Nvidia didn't even wait for them. Seems Nvidia wants to have and retain a high market share until their 20 nm GPUs next year. But AMD may also have a hidden gun behind the scenes Kepler vs Tahiti was a great battle that we, consumers, took advantage of AND that battle now blazing out. Both architectures have their qualities but i hope that AMD doesn't lose much more blood in the market. If they lose the battle in GPU ground too, consumers will be facing a monopoly in this market too

 

[jimmysmitty]

So a GTX 780 TI ok but the G-Sync is DOA

It is? How so?

I won't say its DoA but considering that it would require you to ditch your current monitor and get a monitor that has it, even if its not the brand you prefer, that's a pretty big thing to ask.

As well, you have to have a GPU with Keplers design meaning only those with NVidia GPUs will benefit.

I am pretty sure they could make it work as an external module for any GPU but rather make it proprietary like they did with PhysX.

 

[Mousemonkey]

So a GTX 780 TI ok but the G-Sync is DOA

It is? How so?

I won't say its DoA but considering that it would require you to ditch your current monitor and get a monitor that has it, even if its not the brand you prefer, that's a pretty big thing to ask.

As well, you have to have a GPU with Keplers design meaning only those with NVidia GPUs will benefit.

I am pretty sure they could make it work as an external module for any GPU but rather make it proprietary like they did with PhysX.

Apparently it can be retrofitted to some monitors as well.

 

[maxiim]

So now there is a 780 Ti which they will charge less for now than we might have originally speculated and only because of the 290x performance. Had the 290x proved not to be close to the 780 this Ti card would have been a 899$ Titan LE, instead of a 750-799 780 Ti. Well played nVidia I must really admit, but why not just release GPUs the best that they can be instead of screwing the public and playing these market games while AMD wasnt keeping up.

 

[dimar]

What about the present 144Hz VG248QE? Will it support G-Sync?

 

[Mousemonkey]

So now there is a 780 Ti which they will charge less for now than we might have originally speculated and only because of the 290x performance. Had the 290x proved not to be close to the 780 this Ti card would have been a 899$ Titan LE, instead of a 750-799 780 Ti. Well played nVidia I must really admit, but why not just release GPUs the best that they can be instead of screwing the public and playing these market games while AMD wasnt keeping up.

You seem to forget that they are a business not a charity and as a business its about making money.

 

[Mlim666]

Wait, why highlight a 144hz monitor having being on of the few G-Sync enabled? 144hz are suffering the least form tearing... Budget 120-200 USD 60hz monitors should be their target.

 

[thesuperguy]

At first, after seeing G-Sync, I thought to myself, RIP AMD. Then I saw the additional information of needing a specialized high end monitor for it to work. I am one of many people who will not spend 400 dollars on a monitor.

 

[fat_panda]

I had no idea Phillips were still making monitors.

 

[jimmysmitty]

So a GTX 780 TI ok but the G-Sync is DOA

It is? How so?

I won't say its DoA but considering that it would require you to ditch your current monitor and get a monitor that has it, even if its not the brand you prefer, that's a pretty big thing to ask.

As well, you have to have a GPU with Keplers design meaning only those with NVidia GPUs will benefit.

I am pretty sure they could make it work as an external module for any GPU but rather make it proprietary like they did with PhysX.

Apparently it can be retrofitted to some monitors as well.

Which would be nice if it also could work with AMD GPUs as well, they would make more money. I understand internal things like different AA as different AA methods work better on different archs, but this could work as a module instead.

I would get it if it also worked with my current Asus monitor, as my boss just bought me a second one (he's awesome) to go with my home system.

So now there is a 780 Ti which they will charge less for now than we might have originally speculated and only because of the 290x performance. Had the 290x proved not to be close to the 780 this Ti card would have been a 899$ Titan LE, instead of a 750-799 780 Ti. Well played nVidia I must really admit, but why not just release GPUs the best that they can be instead of screwing the public and playing these market games while AMD wasnt keeping up.

You seem to forget that they are a business not a charity and as a business its about making money.

Everyone does. People think that about AMD. That they understand not everyone has tons of money. They do but they will price accordingly. The first FX series, the HD 7000 series and the newer FX 9000 series all show that.

If they can, they will make larger margins. Its the only way to survive as a business.

 

[tomfreak]

Interesting technology, I didnt though of syncing the monitors to GPU. Good job Nvidia.

btw, Why they pick such a lousy name G-sync. Every time i tried to read it, it sounds like G-string...........

 

[Mousemonkey]

Which would be nice if it also could work with AMD GPUs as well, they would make more money. I understand internal things like different AA as different AA methstead.

For that to happen I wouldn't be surprised if they (Nvidia) would want to have access to AMD hardware specs in order to make sure it would work reliably, which is also what they said about PhysX and we all know how that turned out.

 

[dragonsqrrl]

I also think that Nvidia is in a little paranoia. Because they act too soon now. Let's keep in mind that AMD's R9 290 and 290x haven't even hit the market as of yet. Nvidia didn't even wait for them.

You make it sound like Nvidia has pigeonholed themselves by finalizing a competing card too soon. You realize there's a difference between announcing a product and launching a product, right? The GTX780 Ti hasn't "hit the market" yet, and won't until mid November, a couple weeks after the R9 290X. In addition Nvidia gave no specifications whatsoever for the Ti, so specs, performance, and pricing are still open to tweaking, which is certainly a strategic choice. Nvidia hasn't pigeonholed themselves into anything.