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micky_lund
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gamebrigada
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All I can say is OUCH. Nvidia has failed again. Performance crown and price to performance ratio crown...
I think you guys don't see the trees because the forest is in the way. What I see is a red graph that shows me UNPLAYABLE framerates HALF THE TIME (under 30, a bit above 20 fps) and a green graph that shows me good PLAYABLE framerates 100% of the time (above 30). What is important when playing a game is not the maximum and average framerates, it's the MINUMUM that make it choppy and umplayable. I know it's an nVidia conducted test, but you should really take a hard look at the actual result and consider 'what if'.
It looks like GTX480 has double the peak compute shader performance compared to HD5870. This reminds me of the 8000 series paper launch, when every ATi fanboy cried wolf and the wolf actualy came and ate everything in it's path.
Sure availability of the GF100 will not be good at first, but ATi had 3 months of availability problems with it's 5000 series and STILL does with some select models, prices have gone up, most people ended up with an nVidia card last year if you look at sale numbers.
And the fact that GTX480 is not as fast as the dual GPU HD5970, is actually a good thing if you think really hard about it.
It looks like GTX480 has double the peak compute shader performance compared to HD5870. This reminds me of the 8000 series paper launch, when every ATi fanboy cried wolf and the wolf actualy came and ate everything in it's path.
Sure availability of the GF100 will not be good at first, but ATi had 3 months of availability problems with it's 5000 series and STILL does with some select models, prices have gone up, most people ended up with an nVidia card last year if you look at sale numbers.
And the fact that GTX480 is not as fast as the dual GPU HD5970, is actually a good thing if you think really hard about it.
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[citation][nom]OvrClkr[/nom]I doubt that because if you use a bit of common sense AMD would lose money also for selling their GPU's at a lower price. AMD's prices are low at the moment, anything lower is considered a loss.[/citation]
well not much people know how much does it cost for the chip to make. at least i dont.
AMD/ATI may do something like this,
some of the cpu can not run x4 so sell it for x2 cpu e.g P II x2 550 BE. or
lower the speed for some chip like 5870 and then sell it as 5850... something like that... lest waste parts mean more product able to be sell. more income..
Go AMD/ATI Go
well not much people know how much does it cost for the chip to make. at least i dont.
AMD/ATI may do something like this,
some of the cpu can not run x4 so sell it for x2 cpu e.g P II x2 550 BE. or
lower the speed for some chip like 5870 and then sell it as 5850... something like that... lest waste parts mean more product able to be sell. more income..
Go AMD/ATI Go
Salt-City_Slasher
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I honestly thought it would do a lot better than that but geez, I
wouldn't waste my time with nvidia. I am an AMD user and ATI
is the way to go. The only reason I would ever go with nvidia is
because of there 3-D, it's just another gimmick they have to
lure people in, and I bet its one of those things you
think you want cause it sounds cool at first(Hybrid SLI)
and when you get it, you don't want it. I would like to see any of the
new nvidias against the 5970, they better hope they have a GTX 490 or 495 lol!!!
wouldn't waste my time with nvidia. I am an AMD user and ATI
is the way to go. The only reason I would ever go with nvidia is
because of there 3-D, it's just another gimmick they have to
lure people in, and I bet its one of those things you
think you want cause it sounds cool at first(Hybrid SLI)
and when you get it, you don't want it. I would like to see any of the
new nvidias against the 5970, they better hope they have a GTX 490 or 495 lol!!!
Gulli
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Now we only have to wait for independent benchmarks on actual games, not demo's that Nvidia made. Most likely the HD 5970 will still come on top and stay there becasue Fermi can't be made into a dual GPU card. The HD 5870 will probably still deliver more performance per watt and per dollar/euro. Although the GTX 480 will get be the fastest single-GPU card out there its price and power consumption will make it a bad bargain and if there's going to be a HD 5890 anytime soon then I can't see anyone but hardcore Nvidia fanboys buying this thing.
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[citation][nom]THX 2249[/nom]Nvidia > ATI.The end.[/citation]
yeah, sure, if you wanna forget about the 6 months between them. If not, than it's very well possible that six months after the release of GTX 480 we will see a HD 6870 that's more powerful and still costs less and consumes less power than a GTX 480.
yeah, sure, if you wanna forget about the 6 months between them. If not, than it's very well possible that six months after the release of GTX 480 we will see a HD 6870 that's more powerful and still costs less and consumes less power than a GTX 480.
This is not good.... This benchmark is obviously part of Nvidia's hype for their product so its going to be "best scenario" . Looking in terms of their business model they will also be using this architecture for high performance computing. If they didn't have this HPC aspect they would be really screwed. They bit off more then they could chew. 3billion transistors, yields below 20% (im assuming) and the shear price of producing this thing. It's not looking good.
Until and unless the 480 is
a) Proven to be faster than a 5870 in Crysis
b) Consumes a similar amount of power
c) Proven NOT to have overheating problems a la ATI 4800 (my room becomes unbearably stuffy after a couple of hours of Crysis.....)
d) Is similarly priced, or at least a price which is reasonable
I'm gonna stick to my 4870.
Mebbe get a 5870 after a year or two.....
a) Proven to be faster than a 5870 in Crysis
b) Consumes a similar amount of power
c) Proven NOT to have overheating problems a la ATI 4800 (my room becomes unbearably stuffy after a couple of hours of Crysis.....)
d) Is similarly priced, or at least a price which is reasonable
I'm gonna stick to my 4870.
Mebbe get a 5870 after a year or two.....
Also, don't forget, this is an NVidia demo. In all probability they were using some sort of benchmark which is highly NVidia optimized/uses only one feature of the 480. Remember PhysX? Run a demo which only runs PhysX, you'll get a 15 fps cap on any ATi card, even a 5970. Wouldn't pay too much attention to this, other than as proof that Fermi isn't vapourware. Wait till Toms/Guru3d/Anandtech/OCC benches.
custom PC was reporting that the card was gonna run well in the benchmark but when tesselation is implimented in game it will fall down. I couldn't car less for "benchmarks", no enjoyment there, real world testing is what matters
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[citation][nom]jurassic1024[/nom]AMD has nothing new til 2011. Check their 2010 roadmap.[/citation]
this is why even though, AMD/ATI is ruling the market right now, everything will stay balanced in the end. don't peg me as a fanboy of either, i love my 5850. but i LOVE COMPETITION MORE.
this is why even though, AMD/ATI is ruling the market right now, everything will stay balanced in the end. don't peg me as a fanboy of either, i love my 5850. but i LOVE COMPETITION MORE.
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The benchmark is meaningless ... obviously tuned for NVidia's product.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/04/gtx-470-pcb-gets-nekkid-put-through-thrashing/
Lets see it stack up on a suite of games eh?
That's if they can get the card to run inside the PCIe 300W spec ...
Two of them "The Feminator" on a single board would likely need 2 X 8Pin power connectors and both wouldn't be clocked past 550Mhz I'd assume.
The retail parts are likely to be less than 5000 at intial launch ... and all of them are castrated parts (more shaders disabled than suggested).
It will be a low volume crippled core launch while the respin is going on to step up better binned parts ...
That won't happen till the next half node shrink.
Till then you can still buy 9600GT's though ... honestly.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/04/gtx-470-pcb-gets-nekkid-put-through-thrashing/
Lets see it stack up on a suite of games eh?
That's if they can get the card to run inside the PCIe 300W spec ...
Two of them "The Feminator" on a single board would likely need 2 X 8Pin power connectors and both wouldn't be clocked past 550Mhz I'd assume.
The retail parts are likely to be less than 5000 at intial launch ... and all of them are castrated parts (more shaders disabled than suggested).
It will be a low volume crippled core launch while the respin is going on to step up better binned parts ...
That won't happen till the next half node shrink.
Till then you can still buy 9600GT's though ... honestly.
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