Nvidia Benchmarks GTX 480 Against Radeon 5870

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It is designed to compete against 5870 single GPU no dual GPU like 5970...the GTX480 x 2 = 5970 maybe in the future...with a new name..
 
[citation][nom]Shin0bi272[/nom]The guy at semi-accurate (charles I think his name is) is a known nvidia hater and ati fan. He regularly posts out and out lies that then get broadcast as truth. Bascially semi-accurate is not accurate and is more satire than actual news... treat it as such.[/citation]

Let me ask you a question.
Hasn't Charles, as you put it so beautifully, predicted all this mess quite a few moons ago? You know, the mess that Fermi seems to be.
But hey, keep gloating over Fermi and call Charles a liar. That's quite ironic actually 😉
 


depends on the price, if they are priced close to each other then it is a fair comparison, though if they differ more than $100 then they shouldn't be compared

@JJBB, that was one benchmark, wait until release and see numbers from real games, because that is what really counts
 
I agree the results could have been better, but is this the final product that will be shipped to customers? Also are the drivers matured? Performance will probably go up after release with a few driver updates. How much, I can't even guess.

Guess it comes down to the $ really
 
Thats funny, because this whole article is about comparing Ati and Nvidia, so the whole article is "fanboyism". And I see you are here? You must be an ati fan. Because, yes, comparing Ati+nvidia against Nvidia is cheating.

Also, comparing dual gpu's is cheating, cuz thats Ati + Ati against Nvidia. Also cheating. It should be, Ati against Nvidia
or Ati + Ati against Nvidia + Nvidia.

And yes, I am a fanboy- 32 years old, own the first pong, played all the consoles, own over 200 legally purchased games, and I have over $4000 dollars invested in my current pc that I built myself like countless others before it. I used to be an atifanboy but got burned to many times- Now I am exclusively nvidia fanboy and have been loving it ever since. Also, through extensive years of knowledge and experience I learned to trust nvidia, even if they are a little late on there knowledge.

Oh, by the way, I play mostly with keyboard and mouse, but I do have a windows wireless reciever with two xbox 360 controllers and a steering wheel. I live to game. So, i'm not a noob. Just FYI.
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being a fanboy is idiocy, plan and simple, i feel bad that you have had bad luck with a vendor (ATI), but you shouldn't just not ever look at them again
though i must guess you didn't have a gaming computer back in the FX5xxx series, those were bad
over time you will learn to not be a fanboy and just read reviews on cards and buy accordingly

also everyone keeps saying it isn't fair for a dual GPU card to be paired against a singles GPU, what if they are the same price, that should count (i am not saying the GTX480 is the same price as the 5970)

GPU History:
---God knows what IGP's should go here for many years--
GeForce 4 go 420
XFX 6800XT
X1600 mobility
8800GTS 640MB
2 x 4870 1GB

@cammmy, pretty much, cards should be paired against each other based on cost, if the GTX480 costs the same as a 5970, it wouldn't be fair to pair it against a $400 gpu now would it
 
[citation][nom]jurassic1024[/nom]GTX 470 - ~220wGTX 480 - ~300wWhat do you expect from 3 billion transistors though.[/citation]

If those numbers are correct, I guess the next question should be:
does it come bundled with a power plant?
 
dissapointing, given that nVidia switched to ddr5, and his tic normally achieved a big jump in performance. We need to wait the tock, but we already waited a lot...
 
I don't care if people voted me down. I work with numbers all day and I will judge only by the number.

GTX 480 is one impressive card. The claim that it is as fast as 5970 seems correct. When the going gets tough, 480 is twice as fast as 5870 which is about what 5970 will get. The min fps is always more important than avg. and max.
 
@dream, well i feel as both companies have had problems (and i noticed you missed the NV FX5XXX series, good for you), ATI used to have bad driver problems, since AMD bought them it has been much better except for the linux drivers, they are still pretty bad

and IMO, NV has been doing some really shady business with renaming cards recently, i worst i see is the mobility GTX260 and GTX280, they look like G200 but they are not

and as for spending money one way or another, i have yet to have enough money for it to matter, the most i spent on a GPU was the 8800GTS ($400), and i disagree with buying the 480 if it is %50 more expensive because it will not have 50% more speed (if proven it does, hats off to NV)

it might be a decent buy if its only $50-$100 more than the 5870, but not $200 more (%50), also think that the 5970 is a better buy than a $600 480, but thats due strictly to performance (as the 480 would lose to it)
 
Man, that chart doesn't look good. Wonder what the price tag of the 480 will be?
I was expecting a lot more after waiting patiently to upgrade, looks like it was lost time...MSI Fusion here I come!
 
wow the 480 gtx is in direct comparison to the 5870 card and flattens it,so whats the deal,we all knew this would happen anyway,anyone denying it is full of bullshiete.i love ati and hoped they would have a crazy 2x faster card than the nvidia's last gen but it didnt happen this way unfortunatly,the cards are nice but now missing tesselation,physics and 3d as well as other things like cuda etc(ati is finally finding ways of emulating some of this but its lagging)so ati has had 6 months to advance,i hope its enpough because even if theyre working on the 6000 series,nvidia's working on the 500 series as we speak as well,dont fool yourself
 
and why constantly mention NVIDIA'S fx5xxx,maybe try the 8800 gts,gtx,ultra,gt,etc without mentioning ati's x1800 fiasco,paper launchesissues with other x series cards,paper launches,released and re-released cards,the ati hd 2xxx series sucked badly(and i foolishly owned a couple,hd2900 pro $75,and good thing i only paid $30 for my hd2900xt card used,sold it for $120 next day,lol)then they tried with the 3000 series,failed again to come remotely close(i owned some of these too,2 3870x2 cards that i paid about $150 for both,lol made more money at $200 each,lol)

each company has their problems and one without the other would mean some damn expensive cards for us,its fun to argue though and ive had better luck with nvidia by far,i own a 7900 gtx,9600 gt oc,9800 gtx+ and a 295 gtx still today(and a pair of x1950 pro cards i paid $50 for,ill sell them for $120 any buyers,lol)
 
I have owned many Nvidia cards over the years, and I can say I've been lucky: started with a Geforce 2 MX 400, then a 7600GS, and now an 8800GT Turboforce Edition. And I've also built PC's with an FX 5200, a 6200 and even have a Geforce 2 MX 200 lying around.

Meanwhile, I had a Radeon X700 that stoped working after about 6 months, replaced it with the 7600GS, which is still working today.

On the other hand, my two year-old laptop has a Radeon HD 2600, my mom's PC has a HD 4550 running Windows XP, and my Media Center has an HD 4670, all running fine.

That is to say I read reviews, check my budget and get the best I can afford, which is the sensible route I think.

And all in all, I can say that one failed GPU over ten years is luck, but also because I chose well and bought from reputed brands. Does the fact that the failed board was an ATI mean I find ATI less reliable ? I'd guess I had that tendency for a while, but then I rationalized it and figured that happens to hundreds of people around the world, either with Nvidia or ATI cards. It's statistics 101, no manufacturer gets 100%, no carrier gets their packages perfectly delivered without bumps, some people get damaged cards, some people get that card that passed inspection at the factory but would otherwise fail if it was tested for two more hours. It happens.

The bottom line is, my gaming card right now is an 8800GT because the price I got it for was a steal, I headed to the shop intending to buy a Radeon HD 3850, but they had a special promotion with the 8800GT Turboforce and I couldn't resist it. People should buy the best they can get.

With that said, my next card is going to be an HD 5850, but this time for three reasons: 1.it will most probably still be the best I can afford when I decide to buy it; 2. Because Nvidia won't have a suitable competitor at that price point in time and 3., which is a happy coincidence, but let's say it's my payback to Nvidia screwing the PC gaming market - they have consistently undermined the PC game evolution - they arranged that Ubisoft remove the DirectX 10.1 features from Assassin's Creed, they arranged that game studios cripple gameplay on AT cards while using physX, and irony of irony, now they are claiming superior tesselation, which people are saying is easy to implement, will bring better visuals to the games, and will come out in many games. Guess what ? Nobody used it until now. Why ? Because Nvidia didn't have a tesselator in their cards. ATI has tesselators in their cards since HD 3xxx series. You see the pattern. In business practices Nvidia is just like Sony, that is, very little to recommnend about.

But alas, I will keep using my 8800GT, it's a good card, have to aknowledge that, one thing is the science and the engineers behind the cards, the other is the freaks that run the companies.
 


i wouldn't say that the GTX480 is in direct comparison to the 5870 since it probably will be priced much higher ($100+), though if it is priced competitively then yeah, compare all you want and it makes sense to buy it, otherwise the 5970 would be a better pick (price/performance)

CUDA, proprietary s**t that shouldn't be used anymore since only NV cards can use it, there is Direct Compute and OpenCL as alternatives
and expect game devs to start moving away from PhysX (runs on CUDA) since they lose all ATI cards (almost all, there are some with an NV for PhysX, not many)

though i agree, it will be a good deal faster (probably around 25% tops), though recommending it depends a lot on price
 
The Unigine Heaven seems to be the only 'benchmark' among others NVIDIA has focusing on.This does not look good because-
1.They're mostly focusing on dx 11 and tessellation.Since dx 11 is only supported by a handful of games right now, these results are insignificant
2.NVIDIA is not indicating how the GF100 performs in dx 9 and 10 which matters more at this moment IMO.

All this is reminding me of how NVIDIA failed miserably with the GeForce FX series trying to implement 32 bit textures which was not widely supported at the time.
 
@dreamphantom_1977

I'm not a fanboy, I've never really had to learn that, I am just really highly logically minded. I go with whatever is best for my money, if the GTX480/70 had come out 3months sooner... and was reasonably priced in comparison to the HD5850... I waited...

1.Yes, the whole article is about fanboyism, but I am not, i am a conscientious observer who happens to be interested and found some comments that were kind of out of line. Yes i own an ATI card right now, that doesn't mean I am a fan, I enjoy competition, to be honest fanboyism doesnt fuel as much competition as people that just want the best card for the money period. In addition I never said anything about comparing ATI + NVIDIA to NVIDIA, that is obviously unfair, and such a setup would only go against two NVIDIA cards, and would more than likely fail. the only thing i was specifying was that it is possible to get PhysX with an ATI card setup.

2. I never said anything about DGPU's (ati) vs GPU (nvidia). in fact as i said before im actually quite interested in the gf100, and took this benchmark at base value (though to be honest everyone that is saying third party benchmarks is right. there should be some before anything is definite.


3. good for you, being an NVIDIA fanboy, and.. all the other stuff, ha-ha i know my girlfriend would kill me, only cause i know i wouldn't spend as much time with her.
that is some nice equipment. kinda cheap mouse though, I have the same one!!!!! works great for how cheap it is.

Oh, not trying to be insulting by the way.. honestly I am not, but when you say you are not a noob in such a way, it kinda makes you sound more like your trying not to be. bleh who plays consoles anymore... i like computer games!! SC and SC2 FTW!!! :)

btw you didn't have to remind me i had work in the morning...

do you play? tis a good game.
 
nitzero: it was faster until Nvidia pulled a muscle and changed the real directX10 specifications.
thanks god Microsoft gave a big "NO" when Nvidia was trying to claim directX11 was "irrelevant".

also toms guys, what version was the unigine benchmark running?
theres rumors that the version 2 had a lot of performance increases, and thus using a newer version on the Fermi vs the older on the 5870 benchmarks would give unfair advantage.

and third.. why suddenly the only important benchmark for Nvidia is tesellation?
 
[citation][nom]ooo[/nom]It is designed to compete against 5870 single GPU no dual GPU like 5970...the GTX480 x 2 = 5970 maybe in the future...with a new name..[/citation]

you know, this reminds me when ATI fanboys were defending the R600 claiming "it was meant to compete with the 8800GTS!" when nvidia fanboys laughing because it was "wasnt true" and "it was against the 8800GTX".
I'm amazing how tables turned but the same kind of arguemnt still surface..

it should be top end vs top end...
or price point vs price point..
price point of last generation was the X2 vs the 280GTX (you forgot how expensive the 200 series from nvidia were and how fast they droped prices when AMD released their 4XXX series?)
 
[citation][nom]dreamphantom_1977[/nom]Just to name a few-geforce 5200geforce 2geforce 4ati 9550ati 9800 aioati x850ati x1650 pronvidia 9600gsnvidia 9600gtnvidia 7800gtonvidia 8800gtxnvidia gtx480 (coming soon)And, my 8800gtx is still pulling strong, running most games still maxed out, just got done playing just cause 2 demo and pushing around 40 fps with settings pretty high. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate ati, i just got sick of overheating cards, artifacts in games, constant upgrading to keep up with the games, and returning bad cards, Ive noticed ati's specs always "seem" higher on paper, but this is the real world and paper specs don't impress me much. My two best investments where the nvidia 7800 gto and the 8800gtx, out of all the cards I purchased with my hard earned money, I only had problems with my first 8800gtx, wich was my fault cuz i put it in a very tiny pc with no fans, and it overheated, but I modded my current card, and it's been running strong for over 2 years. I'm an nvidia fanboy because every card I buy just blows me away, and I believe nvidia when I read the specs on the box. You really don't know how many cards I returned cuz ati's specs look so high on paper just to get home and be dissapointed. Over the past years I've learned that specs arent everything, it's about quality, options, speed, futurproofing.Just to show you I'm a real gamer and not all talk, here is a pic of my current setup-http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com [...] 923dd2.jpgI understand the argument about price, but my thoughts are, if you aren't rich, and i'm not, then sometimes it's better to spend a little more for a higher end card for the feature set, instead of just buying what appears to be the fastest card at the time. I've read just about every article on the fermi cards, and I believe it is a better buy even though it will end up being around %50 more expensive than the 5870. I believe the ati cards are great cards, don't get me wrong, but the nvidia card is more future proof, and it has a lot of design put into it, that the ati gpu's lack. Even the 5970, while will run away with the fps crown, I still think the gtx 480 is gonna be a much better buy. Especially because tessellation is gonna be a huge new feature and that is gonna hurt ati. But on paper, ati has higher specs. When ati stops playing games with gray lines and specs, and talking all the smack talk about nvidia, then maybe then i'll consider them. I used to not be a fanboy, but ati made me this way. The goodthing is fanboyism fuels gpu wars, which I also love. Im at work, bored, but having fun with my ranting, but im done. L8tr[/citation]

honestly, skip all problems, get a 5970, add a 9600GT for physics, and you're done!
 
These are only Beta drivers. Most things are pretty poo on the first driver release. Wait untill the car has been relesed and a few driver versions have been release and see how much things change...
 
I've been waiting on benchmarks for a while. I'll probably wait till after release just to be sure, but it looks like it's ATI once again for me. 6 months, and the best they can do is keep up, and pull ahead 10fps in tesselation, which no games use in any significant way yet? That, and the price premium we all know the 480 will be marked at, and the choice becomes pretty clear.
 
According to
http://www.insidehw.com/Editorials/Events/Sneak-Peak-To-NVidias-Upcoming-GPU-GF100-Fermi.html

NVIDIA guys told us that due architectural difference between GF100 and HD5870, when comparing just Tessellation performance, difference is about 2 to 6 times in favor of GF100. Only performance related figures shown in this part of presentation in application not developed for NVDIA was from Microsoft SDK for rendering cubemap faces. As GF100 can render six cubemap faces in one pass, it is 4 and 4.7 times faster when rendering ball and car objects from SDK.


2 to 6 times faster or 0.2 to 0.6 times faster
 
[citation][nom]welshmousepk[/nom]people compare them because they will be directly competing price wise. of course they should be compared. if you;d been following fermi, you'd know that there will not be a dual GPU version. because of the size/heat/power draw of the chip, its just not possible. the closest comparison IS the 5970 (which will actually be cheaper, at least at first)[/citation]

I think you are an ATI fan, lets face it if this is real its a synthetic benchmark and for nvidia they would have an optimized benchmark, this looks like the crap we have been hearing about for a while, "FERMI=FAIL"
 
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