Nvidia GeForce GTX 1000 Series (Pascal) MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[turkey3_scratch]

Hey Math Geek I asked Pinhedd if he can identify those phases so I'll get back to you when he responds.

 

[Math Geek]

cool, thanks

was gonna spend some more time in google tomorrow when i'm back in my workshed.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Pinhedd thinks it is 16+3. Says he cannot be 100% sure though.

 

[doomrider7]

this is the right thread

so far not a single 1080 has been able to outperform the others. they all hit the same speeds at the same performance levels. really you're picking one that has the right look and price for you. perhaps an extra or 2 thrown in makes the difference. free game or something. you can look at some of the reviews from page 1 of this thread to get an idea but literally every card was the same 5-10 fps better than the FE and ran cool and quiet.

Not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but I'm looking to upgrade from my EVGA GTX 980 SC ACX 3.0 to a 1080 and wanted to know which 1080 is the best. Money is not an issue, but when I buy my card I want to know that that I bought the best card available especially since SLI and Overclocking are things I might do with them, but overall I just need them to be powerful and fast. Edit: Forgot to mention, my CPU is an i7-4790k. Will this be enough or should I start looking for the next big CPU for this to all work properly.

I am partial to EVGA, but I would wait for the second round of 1080s to come. As has been mentioned many times on the Pascal discussions, the first releases of a new GPU almost always have issues and need bugs to be worked out. In my case, I waited on the second round for 970s and got EVGA SSC ACX 2.0+ GPUs for SLI. It was a much better card than the original ACX superclocked variants.

And your CPU is fine. These days, especially at higher resolution and quality settings, CPU speed is not as important as GPU power. I have proven that running my 4690K overclocked to 4.7GHz and stock at 3.5GHz (both on all four cores) with benchmarks.

Thanks both of you for the help. With all this in mind, by when will the second round of 1080's be out and overall what would be the recommended 1080 GPU from you guys based on current data? Some of the benchmarks I've seen from Game-Debate have the ASUS ROG Strix OC ahead of the pack ever so slightly and the speeds I'm seeing for Galax, Gigabyte, Gainward, and Zotac are also incredibly good, but I don't know enough about all of the technical details to make a fully educated decision. Like I said, I don't want to buy a card and then see that I could have bought a better even if slightly so one for the same orice or only $10-20 more.

 

[Math Geek]

that's what i counted as well. looking back at a bunch of reviews of cards. it sure seems like the number of chokes corresponds to the phases they report in the review. obviously this is not all it takes to be a power phases but it seems like 1 choke to 1 phase. i found another pic as well that helps show this like the one you had before but i did not save it and of course will never see it again 🙁

i think that is the answer and just looking to verify it now with some more reading.

 

[Math Geek]

Thanks both of you for the help. With all this in mind, by when will the second round of 1080's be out and overall what would be the recommended 1080 GPU from you guys based on current data? Some of the benchmarks I've seen from Game-Debate have the ASUS ROG Strix OC ahead of the pack ever so slightly and the speeds I'm seeing for Galax, Gigabyte, Gainward, and Zotac are also incredibly good, but I don't know enough about all of the technical details to make a fully educated decision. Like I said, I don't want to buy a card and then see that I could have bought a better even if slightly so one for the same orice or only $10-20 more.

the seahawk x review from guru 3d sums things up pretty well. http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-sea-hawk-x-review,1.html they put in all the cards they have tested along with FE models. so little difference it's hard to call one better than the others. they added thermal and sound measurements in as well so you can see which was quieter by a bit or cooler.

unless they start using custom bios, i don't see newer 1080 cards being any better. nvidia has limited it to the point that no one can push it beyond a set limit. so short of a card redesign or custom bios that changes the limits nvidia has placed on the cards, they can't be any better.

a good safe buy would be the commonly good cards. like asus strix, gaming x, zotac amp, evga sc and the other common cards that are always good. the gainward phoenix glh (goes like hell) actually reviewed real well and if i could buy one in the US, it would be on my short list.

 

[doomrider7]

Thanks both of you for the help. With all this in mind, by when will the second round of 1080's be out and overall what would be the recommended 1080 GPU from you guys based on current data? Some of the benchmarks I've seen from Game-Debate have the ASUS ROG Strix OC ahead of the pack ever so slightly and the speeds I'm seeing for Galax, Gigabyte, Gainward, and Zotac are also incredibly good, but I don't know enough about all of the technical details to make a fully educated decision. Like I said, I don't want to buy a card and then see that I could have bought a better even if slightly so one for the same orice or only $10-20 more.

the seahawk x review from guru 3d sums things up pretty well. http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-sea-hawk-x-review,1.html they put in all the cards they have tested along with FE models. so little difference it's hard to call one better than the others. they added thermal and sound measurements in as well so you can see which was quieter by a bit or cooler.

unless they start using custom bios, i don't see newer 1080 cards being any better. nvidia has limited it to the point that no one can push it beyond a set limit. so short of a card redesign or custom bios that changes the limits nvidia has placed on the cards, they can't be any better.

a good safe buy would be the commonly good cards. like asus strix, gaming x, zotac amp, evga sc and the other common cards that are always good. the gainward phoenix glh (goes like hell) actually reviewed real well and if i could buy one in the US, it would be on my short list.

Cool man thanks, this definitely narrows it down more and gives me some insight. To what 10tacle said about the first round of GPU's having some issues that need ironing out, when does the second round ship out and when would be a good time to upgrade?

 

[Math Geek]

no idea there. so far the only issue i have seen was the fans over revving which was fixed with a driver update early. not seen any other issues with the cards.

with supply being so low, i'd say it's safe to say the initial run of chips is already gone and when we see stocks back up, it will be at least a second run if not more of the chips.

 

[AceVvv]

Can my PC handle a GTX 1070?

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Video Card: AMD Radeon (TM) R9 200 Series
RAM: 12 GB
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 (build 10586), 64-bit

I was planning on upgrading, because when I'm recording videos on some games, my pc starts framedropping to 40 fps most of the time. So is it a good thing to buy a GTX 1070 or will something like a GTX 970 also work?

Thanks!

 

[Math Geek]

well a 1070 is certainly a big jump from a 200 series. not sure about streaming issues as i don't do that.

anyone else know what hampers/helps streaming games? i'd think it was more cpu that gpu but the i7 he has is already decent.

 

[TehPenguin]

Funny how it now says "faster than 980", in the previous slide it was as fast.. Probably it's not *really* faster, just for example in DX12 titles and it has more VRAM, so they call it faster. But if it's similar to 980 performance, it'll be a great card for the money anyway. The x60 cards from Nvidia are usually the most exciting cards, performance per price wise, but the last time the 960 was a bit of a letdown so hopefully they're back with a winner with the 1060..
I just hope the prices won't be so exaggerated as with the 1070/1080s (1070 is about 550 euros here if you want one within a few days, and that's nearly the MSRP of the 1080). 250$ with tax here means about 275 euros, so if I can pick up a nice MSI/Asus/Gigabyte custom version for around 300 euros max, then I probably will.

More like €300-350 for the 1060 in Europe.

speaking of evga did anyone else notice that they released a ftw card with stock clock speeds? same price as ssc but you get the dual bios and the double power phases of the ftw card. then oc it yourself. i posted it to the main list but did not mention it here i don't think
dual bios let's me play around with custom bios and not risk bricking the card. i like the idea of the card if you're comfortable oc'ing it yourself. save $40 and get the better pcb over the other evga cards.

A 1080 FTW? Sounds like the overclockers choice to me.

 

[Math Geek]

yah it's called ftw td edition. it's link on page 1. that looks like a winner to me since i could play with some custom bios and use the second bios to test. plus all that extra power management would be useful.

looks like a solid option for a waterblock as well. all the extras and you get to oc it yourself

 

[mr91]

Thanks both of you for the help. With all this in mind, by when will the second round of 1080's be out and overall what would be the recommended 1080 GPU from you guys based on current data? Some of the benchmarks I've seen from Game-Debate have the ASUS ROG Strix OC ahead of the pack ever so slightly and the speeds I'm seeing for Galax, Gigabyte, Gainward, and Zotac are also incredibly good, but I don't know enough about all of the technical details to make a fully educated decision. Like I said, I don't want to buy a card and then see that I could have bought a better even if slightly so one for the same orice or only $10-20 more.

the seahawk x review from guru 3d sums things up pretty well. http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-sea-hawk-x-review,1.html they put in all the cards they have tested along with FE models. so little difference it's hard to call one better than the others. they added thermal and sound measurements in as well so you can see which was quieter by a bit or cooler.

unless they start using custom bios, i don't see newer 1080 cards being any better. nvidia has limited it to the point that no one can push it beyond a set limit. so short of a card redesign or custom bios that changes the limits nvidia has placed on the cards, they can't be any better.

a good safe buy would be the commonly good cards. like asus strix, gaming x, zotac amp, evga sc and the other common cards that are always good. the gainward phoenix glh (goes like hell) actually reviewed real well and if i could buy one in the US, it would be on my short list.

My founders edition got a higher fire strike score than the Sea hawk from 3d guru however the sea hawk is quieter and my score was about 1% higher lol Don't think it makes a difference in real world gaming... my card was running at 2088 mhz...

 

[Math Geek]

the seahawk x is based on a FE card so that does not surprise me. other than cooling they are the same card.

 

[mr91]

the seahawk x is based on a FE card so that does not surprise me. other than cooling they are the same card.

Absolutely! I just did a little bit better in the silicon lottery lol - Did you decide which card you will buy??

 

[Math Geek]

i want to watercool mine and that new evga ftw td sure looks like a good option to me. i assume ek will make a waterblock for the ftw card if they have not already. but i like the idea of a non FE board to watercool and ftw cards are usually pretty beast.

 

[mr91]

i want to watercool mine and that new evga ftw td sure looks like a good option to me. i assume ek will make a waterblock for the ftw card if they have not already. but i like the idea of a non FE board to watercool and ftw cards are usually pretty beast.

sounds good! I'm looking forward to hearing what you think about the card...

 

[Jonathanese]

What info do you guys have about restocking of the GTX 1080s? I can usually find 1 model available at a time, once per week. Absolutely abysmal supply.

I'm looking at the STRIX 1080, but anything with DHT and 2 power connectors will do. The more power phases the better, because I plan to mod the TDP at the BIOS level.

 

[RobCrezz]

I forgot the 780 was still that quick.

Yeah that 384-bit memory bus width helps keep it alive. The 6GB variant is still very relevant for a 3-year old GPU which these days is impressive. I would certainly hope so for a $580 variant like MSI's Gaming. It has aged well better than my $520 GTX 680 2GB...that was perhaps the worst "investment" I ever made on a GPU. In less than a year, Nvidia trotted out the $400 770 Kepler refresh. The 970 helped ease that pain though.

The 770 wasnt even really a refresh, it was litterally a rebranded 680 with higher clock speeds and some faster vram.

 

[Math Geek]

What info do you guys have about restocking of the GTX 1080s? I can usually find 1 model available at a time, once per week. Absolutely abysmal supply.

I'm looking at the STRIX 1080, but anything with DHT and 2 power connectors will do. The more power phases the better, because I plan to mod the TDP at the BIOS level.

a few weeks ago everything pointed to the middle of this month for stocks to be back up. not set in stone but i don't think any new info has been posted. if you go back to page one of this thread. the first response with all the 1080 models listed also has a link to a site that keeps an eye on stocks of the cards. can check there to see when/if someone gets stock in for the card you want. they show up rather often but sell out quickly, so you got to be quick 🙁

 

[IDProG]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from Billiam1391 : "Which GTX 1080?"

I am waiting on an Asus Strix GTX 1080 OC from Scan and they hace been delayed again and am thinking of just getting a different GTX 1080 instead.
-The following ones are in stock now.
Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 GAMING
Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP Extreme Edition,
MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ARMOR OC,
Palit NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Super JetStream
Or wait out the order? All input is welcome and thanks.

I love MSI. They make amazing products.

EVGA GTX 1080 Gaming ACX 3.0. The cheapest aftermarket GTX 1080. Overclock it and you'll get the same performance as the more expensive EVGA GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0.

 

[Math Geek]

well billiam you can check the first page of this thread for all the specs on those various cards to ensure it is compatible with your system as far as size, and power needs. reviews for the cards are also posted there.

all of the cards will perform the same and will oc the same with only a couple fps difference. so price and any extras you get with it are a big selling point.

 

[Math Geek]

no word on the EVGA hybrid or watercooled cards yet but they did release a hybrid solution for any FE based card 1080 or 1070 http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=400-HY-5188-B1 $120 for the add-on cooling if you want a hybrid solution.

seems odd they would sell it separate and not sell the card with it already installed like they have been teasing for s long while now.

 

[king3pj]

I got my Gigabyte G1 Gaming 1070 installed a couple days ago and I'm really happy with it so far. I planned to manually overclock it to get near the 2GHz cap that all of these cards seem to be reaching but it looks like I won't have to.

All I have done so far is use the Gigabyte Xtreme Engine software to switch the card from "gaming mode" to "OC mode." Gigabyte has separate advertised clock speeds for each of these modes but my card seems to be exceeding them. While playing Overwatch it boosts all the way to 2025MHz and while playing the more demanding Doom (Vsync off) it stays pretty much locked at 1985MHz boost clock.

Since this stock "OC Mode" is already boosting very close to the upper limit these cards are able to reach when overclocked I don't see the point in manually overclocking. I do plan to bump the memory clock speed up a bit since it is currently at the stock 8000MHz and I know I have headroom to work with.

Even with these consistently high boost speeds under heavy load the highest max temp I have seen on my 1070 is 65 C. Coming from EVGA SC 970s in SLI that typically got to 76-77 C under load I am really impressed with the G1's cooling. The LED's are pretty cool too but since I have a closed case I won't be seeing much of them.

 

[Math Geek]

very nice. the new boost 3.0 tech is actually very good. as you've seen it boosts as high as it can on its own and does a pretty good job of it.

enjoy the new card