They aren't - people just bid up the scalper auctions to spoil their sales.
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Maybe people should start trolling and harassing scalpers ... I saw this in another forum ....
"I wounder if you have to give ebay purchase information before you bid or until after you win the bid.
I'm thinking of creating some shade ebay accounts and go on a fun shopping spree where I run up the bids on these and neg out on the purchase when I win; then troll the seller for being a Major Alpha Hotel.
Ebay will more than likely ban my account, which is the purpose of the shade account for trolling in the first place.
Ya some times I can be a really Major Alpha Hotel myself
This whole poop party has left me with a major urge to get some payback! "
"I wounder if you have to give ebay purchase information before you bid or until after you win the bid.
I'm thinking of creating some shade ebay accounts and go on a fun shopping spree where I run up the bids on these and neg out on the purchase when I win; then troll the seller for being a Major Alpha Hotel.
Ebay will more than likely ban my account, which is the purpose of the shade account for trolling in the first place.
Ya some times I can be a really Major Alpha Hotel myself
This whole poop party has left me with a major urge to get some payback! "
cryoburner
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Yeah, I some have doubts that money is going to actually change hands. There's another one currently at $97,300 that includes "Gaben is my dad" in the title, along with an MSPaint drawing of a 3080. : P
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-RTX...-CONFIRMED-ORDER-Gaben-is-my-dad/224160791880
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-RTX...-CONFIRMED-ORDER-Gaben-is-my-dad/224160791880
Can't believe all the people that are so ticked off . The alternative would be that Nvidia could have waited until December to build up inventory before launching and allowing reviews of the 3000 series. Does anyone really think that would have been a better idea?
In a month or so Nvidia will start to achieve production demand equilibrium. with pricing and availability settling down. AMD fanboys should be excited as AMD may well release their new cards before this occurs and there will be an alternative option.
In the interim, I have no problem with Nvidia shipping and selling these hot off the production line. Its not like Nvidia reserved the first years production to only go to pre-built PCs. That WOULD have ticked me off.
In a month or so Nvidia will start to achieve production demand equilibrium. with pricing and availability settling down. AMD fanboys should be excited as AMD may well release their new cards before this occurs and there will be an alternative option.
In the interim, I have no problem with Nvidia shipping and selling these hot off the production line. Its not like Nvidia reserved the first years production to only go to pre-built PCs. That WOULD have ticked me off.
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ebay --> $90,000+ for a 3080 lol --> it's fun to troll the scalpers! (ebay ONLY gives your account a slap on the wrist if the buyer fails to complete the 'sale')
Chung Leong
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Samsung is having problems with its 7nm EUV process. 8LPP is relatively old technology. Samsung uses it to make entry-level Exynos chips. Yields have got to be good since these are high-volume low-margin parts.
I suspect board makers will make more problems sourcing GDDR6X than Ampere silicon.
Unolocogringo
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Nvidia bundles memory with their GPU chips.
Board partners do not have to source it.
That way board partners do not have to source it and all cards perform very much the same.
Old H-Ware Tech
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Corporations are profit seeking entities. Regardless of whether a card is sold to a scalper, miner, or gamer that's a card sold. Company owners don't care who buys as long as they move cards.
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If, for instance, they had opened up "pre orders" on 1 Sep at 0900...please tell us how they wouldn't have been sold out by 0903?
There are/were only so many physical devices.
Olle P
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If they held the sales 'til December there should be sufficient in supply, yes.
That doesn't mean an absolute demand to hold back reviews that long.
... and I think a delay in sale start would hurt Nvidia more, given that the new cards from AMD will be competitive and on sale before December.
I also don't think the Nvidia cards will be in good supply as soon as in a month. They might be is good stock by X-mas, especially if most customers prefer the new AMD cards by then...
So, given the short supply and high demand, one way to fling the first batch at less of a rush would be to do an auction (some day or two after reviews are out).
Those willing to buy have some time before the start of the auction to provide secret bids.
Those that give the top bids then get to participate in the actual auction. If there are five cards available the auction goes on until there are only five bidders left and those pay the same price to get one card each.
JamesSneed
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Here in the US many believe covid is a hoax, don't believe in global warming and we elected a reality TV personalty to run our country. You shouldn't be surprised people would overpay for a graphics card as that is kind of small potatoes in the grand scheme of all the irrational things going on today.
JamesSneed
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LOL Wasn't really my point. I mean lets get real Nvidia had so little stock they couldn't even have these for sale longer than 5 minutes regardless of stupid bots. Its all planned. trust me what you will see now is AIB's flood the market for $100+ higher prices. The FE edition will mostly stay out of stock due to "high demand" and Nvidia will enjoy the higher margins.
nofanneeded
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meh , I learned my lesson . never to buy at release time . also I am waiting for the bigger VRAM models. If they dont come I will be forced to get RTX 3090 ...
Chung Leong
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Supply should improve a lot in a few weeks, once cards shipped by sea start to reach American shores. The cost of air freight is still very much elevated. Board makers don't really have an incentive to eat the cost. As long as shelves are stocked in time for Black Friday, they're good.
I imagine a healthy supply of 3070s are on their way as well.
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I busted my ass yesterday to get home from an appointment only to watch all these sites get chewed up and spit out from buy bot attacks in 60 seconds. This was over and done by 9:01. The vendors CHOOSE to let this continue at launches. Make no mistake about it. This might be the year I switch from green to red. This artificial supply and demand crap is <Mod Edit>.
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This is <Mod Edit>. I was like many others behind many websites (best buy, newegg, amazon, evga) (Canada country). I was refreshing pages from 8h50 to 9h05 like a crazy person and I saw "Add to card" button on newegg but when I clicked error message appears...
About notifications, this won't work for high traffic since too many people subscribe and their system is too slow to be effective so you will receive always notification at least 1h after... Notifications works for products that have been launched for a long time.
When They said that they try to prevent bots, I'm not sure... First, rate limiting isn't in place and it should.. Second , for such launch, they should add at least a captcha.
They know the launch and the traffics. They have experiences (it's not their first launch, you know) I'm wondering if it will be the same for the RTX 3090 and if it's not, I bet that it was intentional from nvidia. Giving low stocks on 3080 and 3070, and a better availability to 3090. Some people could say no because clients can buy AMD GPU but if RTX 30XX is the better product (will see in review) people will stay with nvidia and I'm sure, some studies have been done. Nothing is left to hazard. We speak about a lot of money here... Do you think that they was really surprised ?
About notifications, this won't work for high traffic since too many people subscribe and their system is too slow to be effective so you will receive always notification at least 1h after... Notifications works for products that have been launched for a long time.
When They said that they try to prevent bots, I'm not sure... First, rate limiting isn't in place and it should.. Second , for such launch, they should add at least a captcha.
They know the launch and the traffics. They have experiences (it's not their first launch, you know) I'm wondering if it will be the same for the RTX 3090 and if it's not, I bet that it was intentional from nvidia. Giving low stocks on 3080 and 3070, and a better availability to 3090. Some people could say no because clients can buy AMD GPU but if RTX 30XX is the better product (will see in review) people will stay with nvidia and I'm sure, some studies have been done. Nothing is left to hazard. We speak about a lot of money here... Do you think that they was really surprised ?
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If the web site had limits on how fast you can refresh the page, you refreshing the page like a crazy b1tch might have gotten you and a bunch of other people temporarily locked out of the site for spamming refresh, which may actually worsen your chances of getting through to place an order since scalpers and crypto farms likely have far greater means to spam the site from multiple IPs than you do once their primary machine or IP gets temporarily blacklisted.
The simplest way to limit sales to scalpers and crypto farms is to limit sales to one or two per billing address and not take anonymous pre-paid cards or ship to POBs. Spam the site however much you like, you still only get one order per address regardless of how many different credit cards you may own at your billing or shipping address.
CAPTCHAs are mostly useless since AIs can solve those faster and more accurately than humans.
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It's not available to most people. Standard captcha like Google Captcha is enough strong for most bots. And actually this is the safest and the easiest to do and I pretty sure that It could been enough for this launch.
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There is different behaviours on a captcha. One integration is to detect if you are a bot and Google captcha analyse your ip and traffics etc... If you are identified like a person, you have nothing to do otherwise you need to click to images or answer a stupid question... But you shouldn't be detected as a bot in first place and I found this solution better than what we see in this launch. The cost of this integration is nothing!
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And heres how the bot farm did it.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/how-the-bots-stole-rtx-3080-launch-mass
"One particular deleted post, which PC Mag caught in a screenshot before it got taken down, showed a reseller who managed to buy 42 units thanks to the script. "
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/how-the-bots-stole-rtx-3080-launch-mass
"One particular deleted post, which PC Mag caught in a screenshot before it got taken down, showed a reseller who managed to buy 42 units thanks to the script. "
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"The GPU maker also told the outlet that it does limit RTX 3080 orders to one per customer, though Bounce Alerts countered that it’s come up with ways to circumvent these limits. "
A continual war of cat and mouse.
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