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"[Consoles] can outperform the PC on a graphic level thanks to an integrated design, but that victory is only brief to say the least as PC hardware performance steadily climbs."
Wasn't Tomshardware saying that the next-gen consoles will be using outdated GPU hardware in a previous article? Is that "integrated design" really going to make up for the difference in technology with the newer GPUs used on the PC for the outdated hardware that's going to be used on the consoles?
"it looks highly likely that the console and mobile sectors will eventually merge."
Charts like this only show a rate of change for the current data. I don't think this can really predict that smartphones are literally going to merge with consoles, graphically.
Wasn't Tomshardware saying that the next-gen consoles will be using outdated GPU hardware in a previous article? Is that "integrated design" really going to make up for the difference in technology with the newer GPUs used on the PC for the outdated hardware that's going to be used on the consoles?
"it looks highly likely that the console and mobile sectors will eventually merge."
Charts like this only show a rate of change for the current data. I don't think this can really predict that smartphones are literally going to merge with consoles, graphically.
I would really hate to be stuck with hardware I cannot change/upgrade components on my own (mobile device, consoles, tablets). This is why PC gaming works best for me. I can upgrade components easily and keep for years. Gadgets have shorter life span since hardware becomes obsolete quicker and no way to upgrade.
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I have been a pretty hardcore PC gamer since I built my first gaming centered computer 14 years ago. I have had a couple consoles here and there but have always gamed on the PC. Watching the tech grow and change has been really fun. I remember buying a Hercules Voodoo Rush 4mb for $100 on sale back in 97. I still get pissed thinking about the $300 I wasted on the Voodoo5 550 a few months before they went belly up. I still have my ATI Radeon 7200 and 9700Pro.
Just recently I got the Mass Effect Infiltrator game for my iPod for $4.00. That game is awesome, it’s nowhere near as complex or pretty as a PC or console game but it is amazing how awesome it is considering it cost 4 bucks and it takes up no disc space. Using the HDMI adapter on my little iPod lets me play it on my 46 inch TV. Yes when you blow a 6 inch picture to 46 inches it is really pixilated, but it looks better than the original Battle Field 1942, or CoD.
Eventually Console systems and even PC GPUs are going to go the way of the sound card. They will be incorporated into the CPU, motherboard, or mobile device and for 90% of the population the output will be good enough to keep people happy. Only the 10% super hardcore are going to need a discrete gpu or a console. I don’t know if this will be in 10 years or 20, but I do know that eventually I am going to be gaming on a computer the size of my iPod that uses wireless video streaming to my 96 inch TV.
Just recently I got the Mass Effect Infiltrator game for my iPod for $4.00. That game is awesome, it’s nowhere near as complex or pretty as a PC or console game but it is amazing how awesome it is considering it cost 4 bucks and it takes up no disc space. Using the HDMI adapter on my little iPod lets me play it on my 46 inch TV. Yes when you blow a 6 inch picture to 46 inches it is really pixilated, but it looks better than the original Battle Field 1942, or CoD.
Eventually Console systems and even PC GPUs are going to go the way of the sound card. They will be incorporated into the CPU, motherboard, or mobile device and for 90% of the population the output will be good enough to keep people happy. Only the 10% super hardcore are going to need a discrete gpu or a console. I don’t know if this will be in 10 years or 20, but I do know that eventually I am going to be gaming on a computer the size of my iPod that uses wireless video streaming to my 96 inch TV.
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^I disagree with your ending. No way will the GPU get integrated into the CPU in a fe years as a main thing; the GPU will become the CPU, for sure.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]Shankovich[/nom]^I disagree with your ending. No way will the GPU get integrated into the CPU in a fe years as a main thing; the GPU will become the CPU, for sure.[/citation]
AMD and Intel have already integrated GPUs into their CPUs (although AMD is only doing it for their APUs and Intel does it for their Sandy Bridge and some Nehalem CPUs), so it's not that difficult to believe.
AMD and Intel have already integrated GPUs into their CPUs (although AMD is only doing it for their APUs and Intel does it for their Sandy Bridge and some Nehalem CPUs), so it's not that difficult to believe.
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Considering that it doesn't matter how mobile a device is if it's input device (IE touch screen in this case) is crap for almost all non-casual games. Besides that, referencing Moore's Law makes you look more stupid than the rest of the comment did... More's Law states that transistor density density doubles in a given period of time (originally about every year, but it has been slowing down and is now closer to every years and a half to two years). That has nothing to do with what you said.That's plausible, but when are you going to be able to play something like that? Only when you're sitting down. If you're on the go (the point of mobile gaming), do you intend to also have a controller on you at all times just so you can get a decent gaming experience when you have a little free time while on the go? Maybe if it can be folded down somehow, then it would be better, but you would still not only need a phone that can handle this sort of workload, but also a controller, and a charger that either works with both, or two separate chargers for both, all with you. That sounds like a hassle to me.[/citation]
Ah, you're missing the point here. My interpretation is that the tactile inputs will no longer be a controller. It will actually be virtual reality itself. If you're playing FPS, your mind will think that it's holding an actual gun and actually immersed in a virtual reality world. It'll be something like the Matrix.
Moore's law is still possible. My theory for this is that our biological transistors, the neurons in our brain are still significantly smaller than the transistors in chips. Ask any professor/engineer/programmer/doctor and they'll agree with me that the brain is the most sophisticated processor. Although not possible to mimic with our current level of technology, when mankind learns how to copy it, the possibilities are endless.
You think I'm stupid, just like how people thought Da Vinci was mad for thinking flight was possible. As would a 19th century person think how ludicrous it would be that man would be able to walk on the moon. This is what separates Visionaries from the commoners. Don't limit your world, Imagination is the key to Innovation.
Ah, you're missing the point here. My interpretation is that the tactile inputs will no longer be a controller. It will actually be virtual reality itself. If you're playing FPS, your mind will think that it's holding an actual gun and actually immersed in a virtual reality world. It'll be something like the Matrix.
Moore's law is still possible. My theory for this is that our biological transistors, the neurons in our brain are still significantly smaller than the transistors in chips. Ask any professor/engineer/programmer/doctor and they'll agree with me that the brain is the most sophisticated processor. Although not possible to mimic with our current level of technology, when mankind learns how to copy it, the possibilities are endless.
You think I'm stupid, just like how people thought Da Vinci was mad for thinking flight was possible. As would a 19th century person think how ludicrous it would be that man would be able to walk on the moon. This is what separates Visionaries from the commoners. Don't limit your world, Imagination is the key to Innovation.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]badbunny[/nom]Ah, you're missing the point here. My interpretation is that the tactile inputs will no longer be a controller. It will actually be virtual reality itself. If you're playing FPS, your mind will think that it's holding an actual gun and actually immersed in a virtual reality world. It'll be something like the Matrix.Moore's law is still possible. My theory for this is that our biological transistors, the neurons in our brain are still significantly smaller than the transistors in chips. Ask any professor/engineer/programmer/doctor and they'll agree with me that the brain is the most sophisticated processor. Although not possible to mimic with our current level of technology, when mankind learns how to copy it, the possibilities are endless.You think I'm stupid, just like how people thought Da Vinci was mad for thinking flight was possible. As would a 19th century person think how ludicrous it would be that man would be able to walk on the moon. This is what separates Visionaries from the commoners. Don't limit your world, Imagination is the key to Innovation.[/citation]
Once again, Moore's Law only refers to transistor density. How dense the transistors go does not really have much impact on what you are saying. I'm not saying that this future fantasy is not possible. However, once again, if you are in a VR game, then it should have little to do with mobile because I doubt that it would be an easy task to be both on the move and playing a VR type of game. My point is that whether or not it happens, it is highly unlikely that it will involve mobile computing. I'm not limiting my world or calling you an idiot like people probably did for Da Vinci and so many others, I'm saying that you were wrong because you didn't seem to actually think the idea through.
Come now, explain to me a way to play a VR FPS game while you are mobile. Your phone might be able to store data and such for it and you can jump in a pod to play a game at rest stops and such, but otherwise, it just doesn't seem feasible. I can play something like Angry Birds or even more complex games while I'm walking or I'm taking a quick ride in a car or bus, but a VR game in such mobile situations? It doesn't seem viable. Maybe you could do it on longer trips and such, but otherwise, I don't see it.
Da Vinci was a genius who worked out ways for his ideas to work. You don't seem to be anything more than a prophet who doesn't actually put enough thought into your ideas.
Once again, Moore's Law only refers to transistor density. How dense the transistors go does not really have much impact on what you are saying. I'm not saying that this future fantasy is not possible. However, once again, if you are in a VR game, then it should have little to do with mobile because I doubt that it would be an easy task to be both on the move and playing a VR type of game. My point is that whether or not it happens, it is highly unlikely that it will involve mobile computing. I'm not limiting my world or calling you an idiot like people probably did for Da Vinci and so many others, I'm saying that you were wrong because you didn't seem to actually think the idea through.
Come now, explain to me a way to play a VR FPS game while you are mobile. Your phone might be able to store data and such for it and you can jump in a pod to play a game at rest stops and such, but otherwise, it just doesn't seem feasible. I can play something like Angry Birds or even more complex games while I'm walking or I'm taking a quick ride in a car or bus, but a VR game in such mobile situations? It doesn't seem viable. Maybe you could do it on longer trips and such, but otherwise, I don't see it.
Da Vinci was a genius who worked out ways for his ideas to work. You don't seem to be anything more than a prophet who doesn't actually put enough thought into your ideas.
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Once again, Moore's Law only refers to transistor density. How dense the transistors go does not really have much impact on what you are saying. I'm not saying that this future fantasy is not possible. However, once again, if you are in a VR game, then it should have little to do with mobile because I doubt that it would be an easy task to be both on the move and playing a VR type of game. My point is that whether or not it happens, it is highly unlikely that it will involve mobile computing. I'm not limiting my world or calling you an idiot like people probably did for Da Vinci and so many others, I'm saying that you were wrong because you didn't seem to actually think the idea through.Come now, explain to me a way to play a VR FPS game while you are mobile. Your phone might be able to store data and such for it and you can jump in a pod to play a game at rest stops and such, but otherwise, it just doesn't seem feasible. I can play something like Angry Birds or even more complex games while I'm walking or I'm taking a quick ride in a car or bus, but a VR game in such mobile situations? It doesn't seem viable. Maybe you could do it on longer trips and such, but otherwise, I don't see it.Da Vinci was a genius who worked out ways for his ideas to work. You don't seem to be anything more than a prophet who doesn't actually put enough thought into your ideas.[/citation]
My point is you don't need an actual physical medium. This lies in manipulating the mind in ways that sleep does, and how this translates into mobile gaming is that at the flick of a switch, your mind would be able to enter into a dream like state or REM sleep, only with the difference that you are able to fully control your movements in the dream, also known as lucid dreaming. The key lies in being able to develop a mechanism that enables the mind to do this. I believe Dr. Allan Snyder's research into Savantism will help to shed light in this field. Although to practically apply my idea would no doubt be in the distant future.
How this translates to mobile is that with this neuro device in your mind, you can set the level of immersion you want in your brain, for a full immersion, it will be exactly like a dream like state. For a semi immersion, you will be left conscious of reality with my above mentioned projection. The key is, you won't have to be tied to physical mediums, and that in essence, is mobile.
I only have theories and doodles as to how be able to do this. But you must remember that Da Vinci's flight theory was only proved 450 years later. All he had too, were just doodles and theories. Some of his theories were impractical, but many are realities in today's age.
It took 450 years to prove his theory of flight, and only 65 years from that first flight to the first man on the moon. At the rate that technology is exponentially expanding, I still believe that breakthroughs in nanotechnology will keep Moore's law alive.
I put in lots of thought, this is why I removed the limitations to them.
My point is you don't need an actual physical medium. This lies in manipulating the mind in ways that sleep does, and how this translates into mobile gaming is that at the flick of a switch, your mind would be able to enter into a dream like state or REM sleep, only with the difference that you are able to fully control your movements in the dream, also known as lucid dreaming. The key lies in being able to develop a mechanism that enables the mind to do this. I believe Dr. Allan Snyder's research into Savantism will help to shed light in this field. Although to practically apply my idea would no doubt be in the distant future.
How this translates to mobile is that with this neuro device in your mind, you can set the level of immersion you want in your brain, for a full immersion, it will be exactly like a dream like state. For a semi immersion, you will be left conscious of reality with my above mentioned projection. The key is, you won't have to be tied to physical mediums, and that in essence, is mobile.
I only have theories and doodles as to how be able to do this. But you must remember that Da Vinci's flight theory was only proved 450 years later. All he had too, were just doodles and theories. Some of his theories were impractical, but many are realities in today's age.
It took 450 years to prove his theory of flight, and only 65 years from that first flight to the first man on the moon. At the rate that technology is exponentially expanding, I still believe that breakthroughs in nanotechnology will keep Moore's law alive.
I put in lots of thought, this is why I removed the limitations to them.
blazorthon
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badbunny :
My point is you don't need an actual physical medium. This lies in manipulating the mind in ways that sleep does, and how this translates into mobile gaming is that at the flick of a switch, your mind would be able to enter into a dream like state or REM sleep, only with the difference that you are able to fully control your movements in the dream, also known as lucid dreaming. The key lies in being able to develop a mechanism that enables the mind to do this. I believe Dr. Allan Snyder's research into Savantism will help to shed light in this field. Although to practically apply my idea would no doubt be in the distant future.
How this translates to mobile is that with this neuro device in your mind, you can set the level of immersion you want in your brain, for a full immersion, it will be exactly like a dream like state. For a semi immersion, you will be left conscious of reality with my above mentioned projection. The key is, you won't have to be tied to physical mediums, and that in essence, is mobile.
I only have theories and doodles as to how be able to do this. But you must remember that Da Vinci's flight theory was only proved 450 years later. All he had too, were just doodles and theories. Some of his theories were impractical, but many are realities in today's age.
It took 450 years to prove his theory of flight, and only 65 years from that first flight to the first man on the moon. At the rate that technology is exponentially expanding, I still believe that breakthroughs in nanotechnology will keep Moore's law alive.
I put in lots of thought, this is why I removed the limitations to them.
How this translates to mobile is that with this neuro device in your mind, you can set the level of immersion you want in your brain, for a full immersion, it will be exactly like a dream like state. For a semi immersion, you will be left conscious of reality with my above mentioned projection. The key is, you won't have to be tied to physical mediums, and that in essence, is mobile.
I only have theories and doodles as to how be able to do this. But you must remember that Da Vinci's flight theory was only proved 450 years later. All he had too, were just doodles and theories. Some of his theories were impractical, but many are realities in today's age.
It took 450 years to prove his theory of flight, and only 65 years from that first flight to the first man on the moon. At the rate that technology is exponentially expanding, I still believe that breakthroughs in nanotechnology will keep Moore's law alive.
I put in lots of thought, this is why I removed the limitations to them.
The problem in that you still can't be mobile while you are playing. Very few people can multi-task like that and even then, it would only be possible with your semi-immersion idea, not the full immersion. I still fail to see what Moore's law has to do with this and you have yet to explain why you mention it.
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[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]The problem in that you still can't be mobile while you are playing. Very few people can multi-task like that and even then, it would only be possible with your semi-immersion idea, not the full immersion. I still fail to see what Moore's law has to do with this and you have yet to explain why you mention it.[/citation]
That's because I think that transistors will actually have to be tiny enough to be inserted into the brain to function without hampering it, and Moore's law is the closest theory to it. It'll probably be a fusion of transistors and biological organisms, very much like how viruses work.
I understand that your version of mobile gaming is one where a person moves and play simultaneously. My interpretation of mobile gaming is being able to game anywhere you are, with everything you need within you.
That's because I think that transistors will actually have to be tiny enough to be inserted into the brain to function without hampering it, and Moore's law is the closest theory to it. It'll probably be a fusion of transistors and biological organisms, very much like how viruses work.
I understand that your version of mobile gaming is one where a person moves and play simultaneously. My interpretation of mobile gaming is being able to game anywhere you are, with everything you need within you.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]badbunny[/nom]That's because I think that transistors will actually have to be tiny enough to be inserted into the brain to function without hampering it, and Moore's law is the closest theory to it. It'll probably be a fusion of transistors and biological organisms, very much like how viruses work.I understand that your version of mobile gaming is one where a person moves and play simultaneously. My interpretation of mobile gaming is being able to game anywhere you are, with everything you need within you.[/citation]
In that case, you are stuck trusting a company to not screw with you through the tech implanted into your skull... Sorry, but I still can't go for that. Theoretically, those same implanted technologies could be used to control the body like a zombie or to implant thoughts and such.
Also, it's not just about the transistors being small enough when this is what you have in mind. They would need to generate pretty much no heat at all, or else they could cause damage. They would need to have a power source. We would need to have a more complete understanding of the brain well before we can successfully merge biology and computer technology in such a way. There's also the problem with the brain being analogue and a computer being digital... That's just naming a few. There's just too many very huge problems. If it ever does happen, I don't think that it could even be within a few decades.
Modern transistors in modern chips are small enough to make chips that could do things like what you said. The greater problems would be figuring out how to make it work. 32nm or 22nm could make some fairly powerful, yet tiny chips. If these are linked to the brain and the game is like a lucid dream, then all the chips would need to do is activate this state and be able to turn it off at will and the brain would be doing the real work, so the chips don't need to be high performance chips.
Just using something like a 32nm or 22nm Atom with many of the non-essential parts cut out (most of the graphics performance, any integrated radios, etc) could be enough if it had a very low frequency to avoid needing much power at all and to have pretty much insignificant heat generation.
Either way, getting it all to work would still be a huge hassle and the potential for misuse is still incredible.
In that case, you are stuck trusting a company to not screw with you through the tech implanted into your skull... Sorry, but I still can't go for that. Theoretically, those same implanted technologies could be used to control the body like a zombie or to implant thoughts and such.
Also, it's not just about the transistors being small enough when this is what you have in mind. They would need to generate pretty much no heat at all, or else they could cause damage. They would need to have a power source. We would need to have a more complete understanding of the brain well before we can successfully merge biology and computer technology in such a way. There's also the problem with the brain being analogue and a computer being digital... That's just naming a few. There's just too many very huge problems. If it ever does happen, I don't think that it could even be within a few decades.
Modern transistors in modern chips are small enough to make chips that could do things like what you said. The greater problems would be figuring out how to make it work. 32nm or 22nm could make some fairly powerful, yet tiny chips. If these are linked to the brain and the game is like a lucid dream, then all the chips would need to do is activate this state and be able to turn it off at will and the brain would be doing the real work, so the chips don't need to be high performance chips.
Just using something like a 32nm or 22nm Atom with many of the non-essential parts cut out (most of the graphics performance, any integrated radios, etc) could be enough if it had a very low frequency to avoid needing much power at all and to have pretty much insignificant heat generation.
Either way, getting it all to work would still be a huge hassle and the potential for misuse is still incredible.
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]In that case, you are stuck trusting a company to not screw with you through the tech implanted into your skull... Sorry, but I still can't go for that. Theoretically, those same implanted technologies could be used to control the body like a zombie or to implant thoughts and such.Also, it's not just about the transistors being small enough when this is what you have in mind. They would need to generate pretty much no heat at all, or else they could cause damage. They would need to have a power source. We would need to have a more complete understanding of the brain well before we can successfully merge biology and computer technology in such a way. There's also the problem with the brain being analogue and a computer being digital... That's just naming a few. There's just too many very huge problems. If it ever does happen, I don't think that it could even be within a few decades.Modern transistors in modern chips are small enough to make chips that could do things like what you said. The greater problems would be figuring out how to make it work. 32nm or 22nm could make some fairly powerful, yet tiny chips. If these are linked to the brain and the game is like a lucid dream, then all the chips would need to do is activate this state and be able to turn it off at will and the brain would be doing the real work, so the chips don't need to be high performance chips.Just using something like a 32nm or 22nm Atom with many of the non-essential parts cut out (most of the graphics performance, any integrated radios, etc) could be enough if it had a very low frequency to avoid needing much power at all and to have pretty much insignificant heat generation.Either way, getting it all to work would still be a huge hassle and the potential for misuse is still incredible.[/citation]
You're right that it would probably take centuries, but if a some meteorite, epidemic, or nuclear disaster doesn't wipe us out first, then I think man would eventually reach that stage. We are already being screwed by the politicians, so nothing will be different anyway. 😀
Back to the topic. Yes, the tech we have now is practically stone age, perhaps comparing now to when man first discovered fire. It would take a culmination of breakthroughs in every single field of science to be able to do that, but we WILL reach that stage eventually.
It's nice to hear the opinions of others regarding the future. After all, it's limitless.
'Anything the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve' ~ Napoleon Hill
The collective mind of mankind will shatter limits and conventional wisdom.
You're right that it would probably take centuries, but if a some meteorite, epidemic, or nuclear disaster doesn't wipe us out first, then I think man would eventually reach that stage. We are already being screwed by the politicians, so nothing will be different anyway. 😀
Back to the topic. Yes, the tech we have now is practically stone age, perhaps comparing now to when man first discovered fire. It would take a culmination of breakthroughs in every single field of science to be able to do that, but we WILL reach that stage eventually.
It's nice to hear the opinions of others regarding the future. After all, it's limitless.
'Anything the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve' ~ Napoleon Hill
The collective mind of mankind will shatter limits and conventional wisdom.
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To people that say that Tablets and Smartphones aren't for gaming.
I have an Xperia Play and it performs amazing for a mobile phone that can also play SNES and PS1 games. If you don't have a controller on your phone like only the Xperia Play has you can just get a bluetooth controller for your tablet or Smart Phone.. Still mobile too.
I have an Xperia Play and it performs amazing for a mobile phone that can also play SNES and PS1 games. If you don't have a controller on your phone like only the Xperia Play has you can just get a bluetooth controller for your tablet or Smart Phone.. Still mobile too.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]jordan009[/nom]To people that say that Tablets and Smartphones aren't for gaming. I have an Xperia Play and it performs amazing for a mobile phone that can also play SNES and PS1 games. If you don't have a controller on your phone like only the Xperia Play has you can just get a bluetooth controller for your tablet or Smart Phone.. Still mobile too.[/citation]
How mobile is it if you need to have both a phone (or tablet) and a controller in your hands? You might need to set the phone or tablet down to play with the controller. It's a lot less mobile if it isn't a single device.
The argument against phones and tablets not being for gaming are targeted at how few such devices have built-in gaming oriented controls and even those that do usually don't have the performance for serious modern gaming and don't have great games except for those that are played in emulators and similar programs.
How mobile is it if you need to have both a phone (or tablet) and a controller in your hands? You might need to set the phone or tablet down to play with the controller. It's a lot less mobile if it isn't a single device.
The argument against phones and tablets not being for gaming are targeted at how few such devices have built-in gaming oriented controls and even those that do usually don't have the performance for serious modern gaming and don't have great games except for those that are played in emulators and similar programs.
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