So i take it NVIDIA are being very sectretive or not wanting to give us much news about any new cards they might be making. If they keep holding news back, or don't come up with new cards soon i rekon they will whither away. What do you people think? Eventhough the 5870 has not beaten the GTX 295 overall. It still is loads better, ATI cards are much more effective than NVIDIA cards, considering energy efficieny in relation to performance. Also size of their cards as well. Much smaller. I'm thinking that what might happen is that NVIDIA will come out with a new series of cards during Christmas that will save them not because their cards will be extraordinary but because people will want to save them lol from going bankrupt. I heard that NVIDIA have taken their GT200 series off now. Does this mean that their GT300 might actually be coming out very soon? If NVIDIA's new cards are not anywhere near ATI's energy efficiency in relation to performance then i will not be buying NVIDIA. If their mid range new cards competing with ATI 5850 are massive in size, such as the size of a gtx 285 then i will not buy from them.