Oldmangamer73's Food and Guns Thread

[Reynod]

I was buying some food for the dogs at Coles last night and thought of an innovative 1st world solution to the 3rd world problems that are plaguing us ... sadly I saw a StarTrek poster and promply forgot but then remembered part of my crazy plan today ... after my meds cut in for my sore hip.

It started with the idea of building a decent (4 Inch) gas cannon (propane) and using the 2Kg dog rolls cut in half (2 rounds per roll each being a 1 kg round as such).

After working out the muzzle velocity (275 ms)and resultant Force (F=MA) generated I realised that I had designed something to take down rogue eliphants.

So essentially I decided not to build it unless we start getting terrorist eliphants at some future date.

So ... keep your ears open ... let me know then I'll be needed.

Alternatively it could be used to feed hungry lions from a safe distance ... or polar bears?

I am so clever ... combined food and guns in the one post.

I win !!!

 

[Reynod]

Australia is a young country ... barely in our teens.

Technically we are still an extension of the British empire at this stage, as we have not yet let go of HM's skirt ... declared a republic.

The UK's long held gun laws are good ones ... and ours are more stringent after the Port Arthur Massacre in 96 ... John Howard will be remembered kindly by history for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

If you look at the reasoning behind the restrictions and what sort of weapons can be licensed it makes good sense.

Also I feel a lot better knowing that not every kook on the street can shoot me at a whim because I am wearing my pink tights when out jogging.

I guess the biggest problem that we have largely solved and the US has still to contend with, is the massive number of illegal guns on the market.

I do understand it is hard to rationalise gun restrictions over there when you see every man and his dog has one ...

We all have seen the stats on how violent crimes and gun crimes have gone up since banning firearms. It dropped at first and now its what... 200-300% increase from prior to the ban?

Gun related deaths dropped dramatically after the changes in legislation ... and stayed down.

While gun ownership may have increased the type of weapons owned are significantly less dangerous ... hardly any semi autos, small magazines, low power weapons, tight restriction on big bore rifles and virtually no handguns except the glocks owned by the cops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
http://guncontrol.org.au/
http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=1502

The statistics prove it beyond a doubt.

The major issue presented to us know is getting the remaining illegal weapons, and severely punishing those who illegally try to import them.

Making the fines and gaol time the same as for illicil drugs should do the trick.

 

[riser]

Australia is a young country ... barely in our teens.

Technically we are still an extension of the British empire at this stage, as we have not yet let go of HM's skirt ... declared a republic.

The UK's long held gun laws are good ones ... and ours are more stringent after the Port Arthur Massacre in 96 ... John Howard will be remembered kindly by history for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

If you look at the reasoning behind the restrictions and what sort of weapons can be licensed it makes good sense.

Also I feel a lot better knowing that not every kook on the street can shoot me at a whim because I am wearing my pink tights when out jogging.

I guess the biggest problem that we have largely solved and the US has still to contend with, is the massive number of illegal guns on the market.

I do understand it is hard to rationalise gun restrictions over there when you see every man and his dog has one ...

We all have seen the stats on how violent crimes and gun crimes have gone up since banning firearms. It dropped at first and now its what... 200-300% increase from prior to the ban?

Gun related deaths dropped dramatically after the changes in legislation ... and stayed down.

While gun ownership may have increased the type of weapons owned are significantly less dangerous ... hardly any semi autos, small magazines, low power weapons, tight restriction on big bore rifles and virtually no handguns except the glocks owned by the cops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
http://guncontrol.org.au/
http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=1502

The statistics prove it beyond a doubt.

The major issue presented to us know is getting the remaining illegal weapons, and severely punishing those who illegally try to import them.

Making the fines and gaol time the same as for illicil drugs should do the trick.

In America, felons aren't allowed to own firearms. hint hint 😉

Oh my dear Reynod.. you must read what you linky:

A 2010 study on the effects of the firearm buybacks by Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi of Melbourne University's Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research studied the data and concluded, "Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.

Another link addressed a decline in firearm suicides in '97 and '98 but failed to mention the other program that year to prevent suicides due to the 10% increase in the years leading up to it. Using the decreased numbers in 97 and 98, they could claim there was a significant drop in gun related suicides though there was a program in place to prevent suicide in those years because of the rise in suicides. Hmm.. Maybe less gun control is needed and more suicide prevention is the answer?

 

[chunkymonster]

Anyone else catch this article from the front page?

Here's a Gun Printed with a Consumer-level 3D Printer. By no means pocket friendly, but still an amazing proof or concept.

I thinks its great how this technology has progressed in such a (seemingly) short time. Just a matter of years before relatively affordable consumer level 3D printers are refined enough to find themselves into the everyday hobbyist's garage or workshop. Providing there isn't legislation to prevent the sale of such printers or 3D machining tools, of course.

It is perfectly legal in America for an individual to manufacture their own firearms for their own personal use. It only becomes illegal if they make them for sale or trade, especially across State line.

 

[riser]

Firearms are extremely simple devices. A Glock has what, 35 pieces to it for a semi auto? The 3D one had what, 16 pieces with one being a block of metal?

I used to make rubberband guns when I was a kid.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I was buying some food for the dogs at Coles last night and thought of an innovative 1st world solution to the 3rd world problems that are plaguing us ... sadly I saw a StarTrek poster and promply forgot but then remembered part of my crazy plan today ... after my meds cut in for my sore hip.

It started with the idea of building a decent (4 Inch) gas cannon (propane) and using the 2Kg dog rolls cut in half (2 rounds per roll each being a 1 kg round as such).

After working out the muzzle velocity (275 ms)and resultant Force (F=MA) generated I realised that I had designed something to take down rogue eliphants.

So essentially I decided not to build it unless we start getting terrorist eliphants at some future date.

So ... keep your ears open ... let me know then I'll be needed.

Alternatively it could be used to feed hungry lions from a safe distance ... or polar bears?

I am so clever ... combined food and guns in the one post.

I win !!!

Look maw, no guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q3R9qgcUiBw

 

[Reynod]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/its-time-to-reload-our-anti-gun-laws/story-fni0cwl5-1226648675393

riser apparently my govt agreed with my pov ... hopefully they pry the weapons out of the cold dead hands of some of the scum that are misusing them ... the rest out of warm hands with missing trigger fingers ... or testicles.

 

[musical marv]

WHY ARE YOU WASTING AMMO AT A TIME LIKE THIS??

hahaha.. the wife wants a gun but it's a bit hard to come across ammo to see which one she likes.

Tell the wife to stop with the guns already.This is getting to be absurd with these guns already and killings constantly.There are police to protect us and guns are not the answer !

Marv, imagine she is at home and someone is trying to break into the house. It probably takes a couple minutes at best to get through a door or window. I have never called to cops to get to my house so I don't know how long it takes for them to respond. In this scenario, I would like her to have a gun with her, locked in another room, with 911 on the phone sending officers. In the event that the person enters the home and the locked room, she has the option to defend her. If the police take 15 minutes to show up, it could be all too late. In this case, I'm supplementing her with the ability to defend herself until the police can arrive. That 5-15 minute window is critical for her safety.

Let's say I'm a criminal. I'm 6', 240lbs and go the gym daily. I have previous experience in sports and most recently a couple years of boxing. I break into grandma's house. I see 98lbs grandma holding a Louisville Slugger. I'm not afraid of that.

Kid calls 911 on his parents for abuse. Dad says to kid, "I have you for 5 minutes until the police get here."

Einstein caricatured this matter as follow:
"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity."

Now, I break in and see 98lbs grandma holding a 9mm handgun, pointing it at me. You know what? I'm a bit worried now. She doesn't have to pull the trigger, I want to get out of there alive.

Marv, I'll sum it up this way.
I would rather my wife have an inanimate object, the gun, sitting in a nightstand safe not killing anyone, than to not have it and leave the possibility of her getting raped without any means to defend herself.

I respect your opinion on this and I still have my opinions about guns.I hate them period.This dam century we are living in is to much stress and to much drugs are children are using for any excuse to take especially the shrinks who are giving them.One reason we are so screwed up now.

 

[wanamingo]

For anyone was hasn't seen it (I think Rey posted the first part) Check out the daily show's 3 part interview with Aussie politicians vs American politicians on gun control.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Why?
Do they hunt deer?
Have polar bears, grizzlys to contend with?
Elk to hunt?
I know they have sheep, tho none native, like big horn.
Antelope?
How about big cats?
Guess you dont really need a gun for a spider or snake.

 

[Reynod]

Yeah ... there are lots of those sorts of animals in the US cities ...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Or, they should store those guns in the country when the millions from the cities go hunting?
Point here is, those who have no use simply have no use, and isnt relevant to those who do.

A gun would have been handy in London, and eventually was by the way.
If your entire society didnt ever have guns, as some arrived from Oz during WW2 without ever shooting a gun.
Not even enough for training?

Im in no way saying one is better than the other, tho some are, with no use for them, so how would they know?
And, little if any proposed legislation would effect the cities anyways, and is the main complaint anyhow, as well as the main misuse of guns, and deaths, and fear, and maiming etc.
Its like some who cant identify terrorism rey, trust me, and using a foreign country to back up their argument doesnt fit

 

[wanamingo]

Yeah ... there are lots of those sorts of animals in the US cities ...

Indeed.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/03/31/teens-run-wild-in-chicagos-tony-shopping-district/

So killing teens for misdemeanors is considered a good use of guns?

Also Rey correct me if Im wrong but dont you guys still own guns? Its not like the UK where personal gun ownership is not allowed.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-reloads-as-gun-amnesties-fail-to-cut-arms-20130113-2cnnq.html

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Yeah ... there are lots of those sorts of animals in the US cities ...

Yeah ... there are lots of those sorts of animals in the US cities ...

Indeed.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/03/31/teens-run-wild-in-chicagos-tony-shopping-district/

So killing teens for misdemeanors is considered a good use of guns?

Also Rey correct me if Im wrong but dont you guys still own guns? Its not like the UK where personal gun ownership is not allowed.

Ummmm, if i'm just walking down the street minding my own self and a pack of teens try to rob and harrass me and i'm carrying? You can bet your sweet ass i'm gonna draw on them. Have you seen "the knock out game" mingo? Have you ever been mugged before?

You guys live in f'ing la la land.

^ Yep. I live 70 miles south of this. Atlanta. The jewel of the south. NSFW language ( surprise ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exWQIvjQ46c

There are several videos of this guy taking no crap but he was eventually let go due to lack of budget. All he was doing was protecting his business from drug dealers. Yes he carries a Glock as well as the Taser and has to pull it in several of the videos. He made the videos in case he was ever killed so there would be a record of it.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

There is no right to own firearms that is recognized or upheld by the federal or state and territory governments of Australia. Receiving a license depends on the discretion of police as to need and appropriateness, and therefore a privilege rather than a right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms#Australia

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Oh and by the way that's not the ghetto. That video is just downtown Atlanta.

 

[wanamingo]

Ive been mugged twice, I think Ive posted about it before.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And mingo, since you dont want to carry, hopefully nothing extremely bad will ever happen if it happens again.
I understand that and respect that, but even army personnel cant stop a man with knives.
Point is, if they wish to get more than money, its nice to be carrying.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Ive been mugged twice, I think Ive posted about it before.

I personally have stopped a mugging with a firearm when a "gentleman" with a large knife tried to mug 2 friends of mine when we were leaving another friends house. I just happened to have a Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun in my truck and the "gentleman" was much nicer when I got out of my truck and pointed it at his head. He dropped the knife and ran as fast as he could.

Another good friend was walking across the street to a gas station to get some beer one Friday night. The store was only a few hundred feet from his apartment and I was on the porch watching him. Around 10-12 "gentlemen" confronted my friend on the way back and demanded his beer and money. He calmly dropped the beer and pulled his Ruger P89 and pointed it at the ground while asking the "gentlemen" who wanted to die first. Needless to say they were gone before I could run down the steps with my Glock to back him up.

 

[wanamingo]

You guys would all pass a background check, every single person from your anecdotal stories would pass a background check.

No one in your stories needed a 30 round clip. So whats wrong with some common sense gun laws? Thats why I asked about Australia and gun ownership, they can still carry a multitude of guns.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

My link shows they may have more than when it first went down.
And to be fair, they dont have a right to them, only are privileged to have them.
They dont have our history of having such use for them as well, even today, the % and even available animals arent even close for h8unting.
Bad example, but the ones who want them still get them, and thats those who do so legally.
The PM said it was bad they had to make the good to suffer to pass it, yet here we are today with as many or more.

Whats solved?
If a crazy wanted to, he could literally blast his way for time to reload clip upon clip, take diffent angles, approaches etc, then whats next, one bullet?
The shocker is whats interesting here.
Australias never had the gun vilolence we have had here, ever, period.
Every day we see someone shooting someone if you watch the news from a large city.
We arent desensitized from this, as guns sales has risen, not declined.

What we are is, tired of all this violence, and some carrying in fear as well as sensibility.
And yes, every once in awhile, someone crazy does horrible things with guns, but it isnt the ongoing hurt we feel each day from the "other" shootings, which dont require 30 rounds, which dont require Bayonets or any of the other proposed crap our lookin for a vote as we supposedly look out for you pols make hay with this.
They simply attack the law abiding by several magnitudes

 

[Reynod]

Ive been mugged twice, I think Ive posted about it before.

I personally have stopped a mugging with a firearm when a "gentleman" with a large knife tried to mug 2 friends of mine when we were leaving another friends house. I just happened to have a Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun in my truck and the "gentleman" was much nicer when I got out of my truck and pointed it at his head. He dropped the knife and ran as fast as he could.

Another good friend was walking across the street to a gas station to get some beer one Friday night. The store was only a few hundred feet from his apartment and I was on the porch watching him. Around 10-12 "gentlemen" confronted my friend on the way back and demanded his beer and money. He calmly dropped the beer and pulled his Ruger P89 and pointed it at the ground while asking the "gentlemen" who wanted to die first. Needless to say they were gone before I could run down the steps with my Glock to back him up.

You sure your living in the US or is it Tanzania ??

What a sh!thole of a place to live if you have to behave like that.

What you should be asking is how did your country get like that and how can you fix it so that it is a more decent place to live.

I couldn't live in a place like that.

Strangely Canada is right next to you and clearly a safer place to live.

Why is that?

 

[Deleted member 217926]

I live in Georgia. Oddly enough many parts are indistinguishable from Tanzania. Those parts are where the vast majority of the violent crime is including both incidents I listed above. I'll leave it up to you to check those demographics further.

Just a few weeks ago an acquaintance, not really a friend but we dated girls who were best friends just after high school, and his brother in law were brutally executed by 4 teenage gang members after breaking down on the way to the store for cigarettes. They were stupid enough to accept a ride home from said gang members and were shot in the head or their trouble.

The convenience store they broke down by is less than 2 miles from my house. The house they were executed at was less than 4 miles from my house. I live in a pretty nice neighborhood. My neighbor on one side is a firefighter and his wife is a teacher. My neighbor on the other side is a dentist. The guy across the street owns an auto parts store. Pretty much the whole county I live in is the same story. But the county Macon is in is about 70% ghetto.

Thankfully they caught the scum who did the killing. Here is an article on it. My friend was Russ Jacobs.

http://www.macon.com/2013/05/16/2481434/fourth-suspect-in-monroe-double.html

Notice how the female apparently thinks it's fun to be arrested for murder. Well these animals are going to find out the hard way that they are just old enough to be tried as adults and we are not shy about handing out the death penalty here for senseless cold blooded crap like this.

For almost 11 years I studied martial arts. I have black belts from 2 different schools. I have never been in a street fight. I have had a firearm and ammunition in my room since my Dad decided I was responsible enough at age 12. I have never had to shoot anyone. But as long as there are animals in the world who will execute you for a TV and computer I will be damned if I or my family will be victims.

 

[Reynod]

You live in a warzone and you don't even know it.