Oldmangamer73's Food and Guns Thread

[chunkymonster]

And if my knowledge of history is correct, the second amendment refers to "a well regulated Militia" ... but if everyone has his own gun, there is as much chance of that this "militia" is "well regulated" as seeing a mouse give sexual pleasure to a humpback whale through the anus.
Or have all your own gun, but stop paying taxes to fund the police.

You're knowledge of American history is INCORRECT.

The militia is the People.

The terms "well regulated" is written to mean "to make regular" as in to make the same, as in to ensure the firearms owned by the people are the same, or as close can be.

At one point in America's history, the federal government debated over how much powder, how many rounds of ammo, and what supplies each person was to keep on hand if the need arose.

I just think the laws and constitutions must evolve with time.
Hiding behind constitutional amendments written in 1791 has no meaning in 2013.

Again, you're knowledge of American history and of the Constitution is INCORRECT.

The American Constitution was made to evolve with time as witnessed by the fact that there are 27 Amendments dating from 1789 all the way up to 1992.

The Amendment process was written into the Constitution specifically to allow it to evolve with the times. This is a simple fact that the Progressives and Democrats in America seem to have forgotten as they would rather pass laws that trump and usurp the Constitution in the name of political expediency.

 

[chunkymonster]

Picked up a new Sig 1911 Nitron Target today...can't wait to hit the range to try it out!


take screen shot

 

[4Ryan6]

Nice! Love the wood grain grips!

Here's my Baby!

A 45ACP Baby Desert Eagle

Fits my hand perfectly, never jams, smooth shooting and very accurate!

 

[Deleted member 217926]

^ Very nice guys! I've had the "Signess" lately myself and have picked up an SP 2022 in 9mm and a P 229 in 357 Sig this year alone. I have to say the Sig Pro came as a real shock as to what a great pistol it is for the price. I don't hate a Glock trigger ( I have a Model 20 ) but I like the DA/SA trigger with decocker better. The little Sig Pro has a better trigger than the "big brother" P 229! I can't decide on a P220 or a Sig 1911 for my next purchase.

I still have a Jerico on the want list Ryan. That is the same as a Jericho 941 right? Great guns although I have never shot the .45 ACP model just the 9mm. I have wanted one for years.

My most recent acquisition is an AR I had a buddy put together for me. Palmetto State upper and lower with a full auto bolt carrier group, Lothar Walther 1/9 twist carbine length barrel with A2 style flash cage, Yankee Hill Machine rifle length forearm and gas tube and Magpul grip and stock. I put a little Bushnell TRS 25 red dot on it for $99 and it seems every bit as good as the $500 Aimpoint. Just bought it a few weeks ago as a 39th birthday present to myself.

Going tomorrow to my cousins to sight in the new AR and have some fun with the SKS. Managed to find 500 rounds of Lake City XM 855 62 grain for a good price.

I need to read this section of the forums more. I didn't know we had gun threads!

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Obligatory gun porn.

Sorry that crap tier webcam was all I had working right now without a cable search.

Slightly better AR pics.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Nice! I'm going to add a Nikon P-223 soon. I love the BDC reticle. And Nikon scopes have always been high quality for a good price. I got my setup for $1050. I was going to buy at Christmas but prices went crazy. Thankfully things have stabilized a bit now at least here in Georgia.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

OK now I have about 300 fewer rounds of 5.56 and about a foot wide smile. It's just as much of a tack driver as I thought it was going to be. Very impressed with the little $100 red dot. 3 to 4 inch 30 round groups at 100 yards were very easy.

I have a very fast 1 in 7 twist barrel so I can't wait to see how it shoots with the heavier 77 grain Sierra Match ammo. That Lake City mil spec 62 grain steel tipped stuff is hot! About 3 of them turn a concrete block into dust.

 

[musical marv]

Or maybe just empowering men once again in our courts as to fairness/equality, and monies for hand ups?
You have no voice?
Youre nothing without a gun.
Sad days these

Nothing without a gun. What the hell became of our country!

 

[riser]

Australia is a young country ... barely in our teens.

Technically we are still an extension of the British empire at this stage, as we have not yet let go of HM's skirt ... declared a republic.

The UK's long held gun laws are good ones ... and ours are more stringent after the Port Arthur Massacre in 96 ... John Howard will be remembered kindly by history for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

If you look at the reasoning behind the restrictions and what sort of weapons can be licensed it makes good sense.

Also I feel a lot better knowing that not every kook on the street can shoot me at a whim because I am wearing my pink tights when out jogging.

I guess the biggest problem that we have largely solved and the US has still to contend with, is the massive number of illegal guns on the market.

I do understand it is hard to rationalise gun restrictions over there when you see every man and his dog has one ...

We all have seen the stats on how violent crimes and gun crimes have gone up since banning firearms. It dropped at first and now its what... 200-300% increase from prior to the ban?

 

[riser]

Or maybe just empowering men once again in our courts as to fairness/equality, and monies for hand ups?
You have no voice?
Youre nothing without a gun.
Sad days these

Nothing without a gun. What the hell became of our country!

Corrupt politicians who aren't afraid of the American people anymore.

Clearly as recent examples show, no one in government can or will be held accountable for anything. If we can't get to the bottom of the IRS, Benghazi, etc. and punish someone.. who then is there to fear when being unlawful as a government entity?

 

[riser]

OK now I have about 300 fewer rounds of 5.56 and about a foot wide smile. It's just as much of a tack driver as I thought it was going to be. Very impressed with the little $100 red dot. 3 to 4 inch 30 round groups at 100 yards were very easy.

I have a very fast 1 in 7 twist barrel so I can't wait to see how it shoots with the heavier 77 grain Sierra Match ammo. That Lake City mil spec 62 grain steel tipped stuff is hot! About 3 of them turn a concrete block into dust.

What's your red dot you have? I recently picked up a TruGlo for about $70. Solid, haven't had a chance to test it out though.

 

[riser]

^ Very nice guys! I've had the "Signess" lately myself and have picked up an SP 2022 in 9mm and a P 229 in 357 Sig this year alone. I have to say the Sig Pro came as a real shock as to what a great pistol it is for the price. I don't hate a Glock trigger ( I have a Model 20 ) but I like the DA/SA trigger with decocker better. The little Sig Pro has a better trigger than the "big brother" P 229! I can't decide on a P220 or a Sig 1911 for my next purchase.

I still have a Jerico on the want list Ryan. That is the same as a Jericho 941 right? Great guns although I have never shot the .45 ACP model just the 9mm. I have wanted one for years.

My most recent acquisition is an AR I had a buddy put together for me. Palmetto State upper and lower with a full auto bolt carrier group, Lothar Walther 1/9 twist carbine length barrel with A2 style flash cage, Yankee Hill Machine rifle length forearm and gas tube and Magpul grip and stock. I put a little Bushnell TRS 25 red dot on it for $99 and it seems every bit as good as the $500 Aimpoint. Just bought it a few weeks ago as a 39th birthday present to myself.

Going tomorrow to my cousins to sight in the new AR and have some fun with the SKS. Managed to find 500 rounds of Lake City XM 855 62 grain for a good price.

I need to read this section of the forums more. I didn't know we had gun threads!

Ah that's the red dot. I looked that one over too.

Smith Enterprises makes an awesome. (actually the best) flash supressor for the AR. $80 or so, helps out a lot and pretty much eliminates any flash. I think they also make a muzzle break which is top notch as well. The A2 bird cage is great all around, but if you shoot quick, get a muzzle break. $80 will get you the best on the market. Muzzle break will stablize the kick of the gun and force the gases out in a way that keeps your aim on target. The flash supressor will basically eliminate the flash (night hunting, night vision, etc) and will keep the kick down but won't compensate.

The smith enterprise flash supressor also is set that every time you fire, it keeps the supressor tight. 12 degree pitch that the gas will force it to remain tight. No crush washer required.

I'm thinking about picking up another one for a .308 bolt action.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

I'll check out that muzzle brake. I have mixed feelings about TruGlo. I have their TFO sights on a Sig and when they were first installed the front tube broke and the tritium leaked out. The installation was done correctly with a Sig sight pusher. I kept them and after an RMA I love their visibility but don't totally trust them.

I really like tritium/fiber combo reflex sights and thought about picking up a Meprolight like the Israeli military uses and still may at some point. They are just so expensive. The little TRS 25 is a great sight for the money.

Don't know why I said I have a 1/9 twist barrel. It's 1/7 like I said in my other post.

 

[wanamingo]

Good gun porn, my freedom boner is rock solid.

Im not sure if I asked this one already but.... How many of you guys have served? Specifically overseas in the last 20 years.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Does anyone have an opinion on ACOG sights for the AR platform? Are they really that rugged and worth the price?

Best sights on the market. Way out of my price range as well. 🙁

Im not sure if I asked this one already but.... How many of you guys have served? Specifically overseas in the last 20 years.

I was never military but I sure grew up around it and was even born on a Navy base. My Dad retired from the Navy a few years after I was born. Most of his navel career was in anti submarine warfare. He actually tracked a Soviet sub during the Cuban missile crisis with a dipping sonar from an ASW helicopter.

My sister is 11 years older than me and her first husband is retired Air Force so I spent many childhood summers on bases staying with her. I spent the summer before we took Noriega out at Howard AFB in Panama when I was 12. It was like being in a war zone with shooting at night and alerts on TV about when it was safe to leave base.

My ex wife's brother is a full bird colonel ( and was the youngest at one point and might still be ) in the Air Force and he is about to become a Wing Commander at Eglin AFB. He flies F 22s.

One of my best friends was a recon Marine sniper. He deployed to Panama, the first Gulf war, Somalia and Bosnia.

 

[gropouce]

And if my knowledge of history is correct, the second amendment refers to "a well regulated Militia" ... but if everyone has his own gun, there is as much chance of that this "militia" is "well regulated" as seeing a mouse give sexual pleasure to a humpback whale through the anus.
Or have all your own gun, but stop paying taxes to fund the police.

You're knowledge of American history is INCORRECT.

The militia is the People.

The terms "well regulated" is written to mean "to make regular" as in to make the same, as in to ensure the firearms owned by the people are the same, or as close can be.

At one point in America's history, the federal government debated over how much powder, how many rounds of ammo, and what supplies each person was to keep on hand if the need arose.

I just think the laws and constitutions must evolve with time.
Hiding behind constitutional amendments written in 1791 has no meaning in 2013.

Again, you're knowledge of American history and of the Constitution is INCORRECT.

The American Constitution was made to evolve with time as witnessed by the fact that there are 27 Amendments dating from 1789 all the way up to 1992.

The Amendment process was written into the Constitution specifically to allow it to evolve with the times. This is a simple fact that the Progressives and Democrats in America seem to have forgotten as they would rather pass laws that trump and usurp the Constitution in the name of political expediency.

The simple act of writing "incorrect" in capital letters is not enough to show me that my knowledge of history is incorrect.

But whatever. I said what I had to say.
You hast not showed that I was wrong and I see that you are not objective on the issue.

In the current state, it is not very enriching to debate with you, and I regret that.

 

[chunkymonster]

And if my knowledge of history is correct, the second amendment refers to "a well regulated Militia" ... but if everyone has his own gun, there is as much chance of that this "militia" is "well regulated" as seeing a mouse give sexual pleasure to a humpback whale through the anus.
Or have all your own gun, but stop paying taxes to fund the police.

You're knowledge of American history is INCORRECT.

The militia is the People.

The terms "well regulated" is written to mean "to make regular" as in to make the same, as in to ensure the firearms owned by the people are the same, or as close can be.

At one point in America's history, the federal government debated over how much powder, how many rounds of ammo, and what supplies each person was to keep on hand if the need arose.

I just think the laws and constitutions must evolve with time.
Hiding behind constitutional amendments written in 1791 has no meaning in 2013.

Again, you're knowledge of American history and of the Constitution is INCORRECT.

The American Constitution was made to evolve with time as witnessed by the fact that there are 27 Amendments dating from 1789 all the way up to 1992.

The Amendment process was written into the Constitution specifically to allow it to evolve with the times. This is a simple fact that the Progressives and Democrats in America seem to have forgotten as they would rather pass laws that trump and usurp the Constitution in the name of political expediency.

The simple act of writing "incorrect" in capital letters is not enough to show me that my knowledge of history is incorrect.

But whatever. I said what I had to say.
You hast not showed that I was wrong and I see that you are not objective on the issue.

In the current state, it is not very enriching to debate with you, and I regret that.

I think you are just choosing to not acknowledge the fact that you do not have a full and complete understanding of American history.

It's become en-vogue for critics of the American Constitution to say (as you have) that it is outdated and doesn't change with the times. But those people also ignore the obvious fact that the American Constitution has been Amended (a total of 27 times) which means that it has, does, and can change. It is also these same people who, when asked if they know what an Article 5 convention is used for, give blank stares and resort to mumbling socialist talking points about it being old and followers of the Constitution being "not for the little person", "rich white conservatives", or "evil republicans".

So, you're right, any debate between you and I about the Constitution would be pointless but not because I'm not objective but because it is hilarious to read a French man attempting to speak with any kind of significant knowledge or authority on anything having to do with the American Constitution.

 

[gropouce]

I'm sorry, i didn't know i had to be american or having any kind of authority to debate on your constitution.
I hope you never talk about foreign policy.

But remind me: what makes you qualified to judge my knowledge of history?
Do you have a full and complete knowledge and understanding of the history of your country?
Is not that a little presumptuous?
Note that I never put your knowledge into question, unlike you do.

You go from an "a priori" to lend me something that I didn't say and don't have much to do with what I said.
It has the merit of being original.
I come here friendly, but I have no desire to have a debate worthy of a schoolyard, like
"- I think that...
- NO, YOU DO NOT KNOW! YOU KNOW NOTHING!"

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Since having a complete understood command of any subject is a requirement, then we all will never talk.

gropouce, does the French constitution have amendments, and if so, how many have been added?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Reading the wiki, I know, not the best source, it appears French law maintains much greater power for the French president, and in recent times has allocated much of this power to the parliament, amending closer to American structures.

On 21 July 2008, Parliament passed constitutional reforms championed by President Nicolas Sarkozy by a margin of two votes. These changes, if finalized, introduce a consecutive two-term limit for the presidency, give parliament a veto over some presidential appointments, end government control over parliament's committee system, allow parliament to set its own agenda, allow the president to address parliament in-session, and end the president's right of collective pardon. (See French constitutional law of 23 July 2008)[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_France

Good to see you guys catching up 😉

 

[chunkymonster]

I'm sorry, i didn't know i had to be american or having any kind of authority to debate on your constitution.
I hope you never talk about foreign policy.

Well, if you are going to attempt to assert what the 2nd Amendment means and the claim the American Constitution can not change with the times then you might want to actually know what you are talking about.

But remind me: what makes you qualified to judge my knowledge of history?
Do you have a full and complete knowledge and understanding of the history of your country?
Is not that a little presumptuous?
Note that I never put your knowledge into question, unlike you do.

I am not judging your knowledge of history in general but your knowledge of the American Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. And, I judge that based on the information you offered in your posts.

You go from an "a priori" to lend me something that I didn't say and don't have much to do with what I said.
It has the merit of being original.
I come here friendly, but I have no desire to have a debate worthy of a schoolyard, like
"- I think that...
- NO, YOU DO NOT KNOW! YOU KNOW NOTHING!"

I may have jumped the gun (no pun intended) on my reply, I will admit that. However, your assertions about the meaning of the 2nd Amendment and the inability of the American Constitution to change with the times simply screams a lack of knowledge about early American history and the American Constitution itself.

 

[4Ryan6]

I'm sorry, i didn't know i had to be american or having any kind of authority to debate on your constitution.
I hope you never talk about foreign policy.

But remind me: what makes you qualified to judge my knowledge of history?
Do you have a full and complete knowledge and understanding of the history of your country?
Is not that a little presumptuous?
Note that I never put your knowledge into question, unlike you do.

You go from an "a priori" to lend me something that I didn't say and don't have much to do with what I said.
It has the merit of being original.
I come here friendly, but I have no desire to have a debate worthy of a schoolyard, like
"- I think that...
- NO, YOU DO NOT KNOW! YOU KNOW NOTHING!"

This is getting heated guys so lets drop it down a notch or 2 on our own before a moderator is forced to do it.

We can find a way to talk with each other without insulting each other, treat each other as best as we can like we were talking face to face instead of over the internet.

I've enjoyed this thread so far and it would be nice to see it continue instead of getting closed like so many others.

 

[4Ryan6]

I still have a Jerico on the want list Ryan. That is the same as a Jericho 941 right? Great guns although I have never shot the .45 ACP model just the 9mm. I have wanted one for years.

This is one of the earlier models I've had it for 6 years now, it's the steel frame model I'm pretty sure the 45acp only came in the steel frame, but I'm not 100% positive on that.

I love the way the back curve on the grip fits into my palm, it is a very solid feeling grip wise, no matter what type ammo I've used in it, it has never jammed and IMO that is the most important thing when it comes to a hand gun.

We all know, If it jams when needed the most, it is a useless chunk of steel.

 

[4Ryan6]

I think guns get a bad rep, the gun is actually not the problem it's the person behind the gun!

Guns are mechanical tools and without ammunition they're useless, it only becomes a true weapon when it is loaded with ammunition.

The use of the gun has covered everything from hunting accidents, to mass murder, to defending property, to defending countries, and protecting the public, to crimes, and believe it or not celebrations of joy, and honoring the dead.

The gun has been the choice of miss use at times, not only by citizen Joe, but the Police, and every form of Military, it has not always been handled properly even when in the hands of the most trusted personnel.

If the gun was not available to man he would invent another weapon to kill with, the bow and arrow was the distance weapon of choice before the gun was ever invented, then spears, slings, etc.

We all know the gun is not the problem!

 

[4Ryan6]

Sharing an experience with you guys:

I was a Gunners Mate in the Navy, I was the ships armorer, meaning I was in charge of the armory servicing, and repairing the small arm weapons we had on board our ship, the entire inventory was on a cycling schedule, meaning each weapon was broken down, inspected, cleaned, reassembled and restored in the armory, once each month.

In a salt air environment weapons have to be serviced each month or the salt air will take it's toll very quickly, as good as the armory was sealed to protect the weapons each time the door was opened salt air entered, it was a constant struggle to stay ahead of rust, not only on the outside of the weapon but inside as well, so when I say broken down, I don't mean field strip, I mean a complete disassemble and inspection for worn parts, clean and reassemble.

We had on board, 28 Colt 1911 45acp, 14 M14, 4 Winchester M12 12ga Riot Pump Shotguns, 4 Winchester 1912 12ga Pump Standard Shot Gun (Used for skeet shooting off the fantail), 4 Line throwers, and 2 M60 machine guns.

The experience I wanted to share was one day we were having 45acp pistol training on the fantail of the ship, the Gunners Mates were responsible to train our ship personnel in gun safety and hands on firing, McGuire (We all Called him Mac), was the 45 instructor, I was in the gun shack servicing weapons.

Mac never cussed, it was just not in his nature to do so, but this day he came in the gun shack threw the 45 on my desk, and said, "FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT GUN? I PULLED THE TRIGGER AND IT EMPTIED THE ENTIRE MAGAZINE, I HAVE TO GO TAKE A SHOWER AND CLEAN MYSELF UP, I JUST SH!T MY PANTS!"

The guns sear pin was worn we had been instructed to be extremely conservative with gun replacement parts as they were for some reason a big deal to acquire but and from that point on, we managed to get an entire bag of replacement sear pins and that type incident never happened again.

A worn sear pin in a 1911 with a full magazine will surely be a shorts changing session for any of you 1911 lovers because very little has changed from the popular 1911 love of today and the same internal design of Colt 1911 pistol we had on our ship, but you can take comfort in that it takes a lot of ammo fired through a gun to wear that sear pin enough to fail!