PSU tier list 2.0

[emj503]

out of all the tier 1 list which is the best buy for a gtx 970 sli configuration? i'm liking the evga and the bequiet I'd prefer to go with superflower then a seasonic. I know I couldn't go wrong with probably any of them but I want the most silent more efficient unit I could get. I've had terrible experience with coil whine in the past.i'm really leaning towards the bequiet 750w gold

BeQuiet's units are made by Seasonic, FSP, HEC and Topower, with Seasonic clearly being the better of all those. What is the exact model BeQuiet unit you're looking at. Personally, I'd highly recommend one of the EVGA G2 Superflower made units.

I also think it might be time for Tom's to do another new version of the Who's who in power supplies, as there have been a lot of changes since the last one. Superflower isn't even listed as an OEM for EVGA on the WW listings.

this is really looking like the winner then, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IKDETOC/?tag=pcpapi-20

this was catching my eye though http://www.ncixus.com/products/?usaffiliateid=100003150...

I dont really think I need to spend that extra money for 100 less wattage and for the seasonic name. its decided then.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Both are excellent. The DPP 10 is Seasonic made and the G2 is Superflower. I have the G2 750w and it's just about the best unit I've worked with. Then again, clients are usually budget oriented and it's difficult to get across to them how important a PSUs quality is to build. Even when you show them pages of related documentation and articles.

 

[FALC0N]

The Photon is better than tier 3. Don't take too much from that list. Its just the opinions of a few posters. Nothing more. Read reviews for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

I'm going to have to correct you here too. It's not the opinions of a few posters. It's Dottorents calculation according to available reviews, specifications, internal quality and general consensus as seen over time both here and through other various venues. The only opinions it's based on are the opinions of the lab techs that do the reviews, which I'd certainly have to trust sooner than those offered by reviews that don't include extensive lab testing or people who THINK a unit is good because "I've used it for five years with no issues" while ten others have had to RMA theirs. It's a lot more scientific than speculative.

There is a significant discontinuity between how those units have been reviewed, and where they end up on that list. Dirtyferret is correct in that it appears to largely be an opinion piece. There is a difference between a favorites list and a tier list. This is a favorites list. His criteria for judging these units is all over the map.

The saving grace of the list is that the PSU's in tiers 1 and 2 are all pretty good. But thats the easy part. Anybody with limited PSU knowledge can load the top tiers with Seasonic and Superflower and look good doing it. Its everybody else that really tests your skill level. And tiers 3, 4, and 5 are a mess.

 

[degreesofuncertainty]

i cant find gold rated psu of 500w to 600w from a local store other than CM silent pro gold 550w or Corsair CS 550w.. are there any tier 2 CM or Corsair units that i should b on the look out for??
Online stores charge too much for shipping so other brands r not an option..

What country are you in?

Pakistan

 

[Darkbreeze]

There is a significant discontinuity between how those units have been reviewed, and where they end up on that list. Dirtyferret is correct in that it appears to largely be an opinion piece. There is a difference between a favorites list and a tier list. This is a favorites list. His criteria for judging these units is all over the map.

The saving grace of the list is that the PSU's in tiers 1 and 2 are all pretty good. But thats the easy part. Anybody with limited PSU knowledge can load the top tiers with Seasonic and Superflower and look good doing it. Its everybody else that really tests your skill level. And tiers 3, 4, and 5 are a mess.

I don't agree with that at all, especially considering the amount of work I know has gone into creating that list. But, that's the good thing about a community like this, not everybody is going to agree on every issue, and that's ok. Disagreement often breeds discussion which sometimes creates changes, and sometimes simply delineates the positions of each point of view. Either way, if everybody agreed on every issue, this would be a pretty boring place.

 

[Darkbreeze]

See that's a perfect example of how opinions differ. Personally, it wouldn't hurt my feeling to see those worthless 80plus ratings disappear entirely. Especially considering the number of units there are with one or the other rating, bronze, silver, gold or platinum, that aren't worth powering electric candles with.

These are prime examples, but by far not the only ones, of why I lend little credence to 80plus ratings:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/04/80_plus_irrelevant_to_you_when_buying_psu/#.VR3mBektFhG


http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/power-supplies-with-fake-80-plus-badges/1054



Here's a RAIDMAX unit with a Bronze certification. Are you telling me it belongs lumped into the same category as a Seasonic S12II with a Bronze rating? C'mon dude. At least TRY to keep it in the realm of believability.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152041

My trust in HS seems to drop lower with each passing day.

 

[Karadjgne]

Hate to say this, but I like the 80+, its just like AMD's FX Cpus, a great idea that has not quite lived upto expectations.

80+ needs to stop being an opinion, and become a full blown regulated standard. If that means dragging the guys at jg, jl, tpu, hs etc into the mix, and making their findings and approval official, so be it.

I for 1 wouldn't mind seeing a jonnyGuru - 9.2 rating stamp on my psu, or a Hardware secrets - 1.7 stamp on any huntkey you can name.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I didn't say the idea was bad, but the implementation and that fact that it's also highly misleading. I'm also thinking that the bronze, silver and gold ratings dirty is talking about are exclusively different than the 80plus bronze, silver and gold.


If there was an actual verifiable standardized method of making certain that units with 80plus ratings were BOTH efficient AND reliable, and that the internal component quality was at least partially representative of the awarded rating, it would be outstanding. Much speculation about units could be put to rest and discussions like these would become meaningless.


As it is, we all know there are units that have bronze, silver or gold 80plus ratings, that are crap. Who cares if the unit runs at 90% efficiency, if it only does so for two weeks and then dies. I'd much rather have a unit with no rating, but excellent internal quality that stays operational until the unit has aged beyond realistic usability.

 

[Onus]

My big issue with 80Plus is their testing at only 23C. This is for no more reason than to let low-quality units get certified. I could take it a lot more seriously if they used 40C. Even so, if a unit can remain in spec for half an hour at full load, it probably wasn't about to lose its wheels. While not a be-all, end-all, it is another valid measure; all else being equal, I'd rather see a [valid] 80+ logo than not. Of course, I'm not talking about liar-labeled units that claim an 80+ certification they don't have (and is not even in progress); that's Willful Wrongdoing, for which an executive-level decision-maker needs to be put down like an animal.

 

[Darkbreeze]

For which you pay a 30.00 premium. Which would take five years to recover, and the average gamer probably buys another unit by then anyhow. Heh. Silly.

 

[ko888]

It seems they've discontinued their PRO line too according to their website and they've changed the lines to XTS/XTR/TS, new versions released in January all based off of the X platform.

Can you provide any links to images of the main circuit board within one of those January release models?

 

[MasterMace]

I read a few PSU reviews from this site, and found them lacking, and as such, I stopped. Maybe they improved their standards.

 

[MasterMace]

I made sure to look back and check, it looks like Aris Mp replaced their old PSU tester Patrick Afschar. I'll actually have to read some of these reviews then.

 

[Guest]

Hi sorry i cant post a thread it keeps getting deletedm;( I'm ordering a PC I've configured from PC specialist (I can't build one ATM) and I've got a choice between Corsair 550W VS or the 650W CS PSU is it worth spending more on the CS and will I need the extra wattage? I'm not planning to overclock or add Sli or Xfire. Will they both run my system stabily? I'm going to be using it for rendering and recording minecraft if it helps. Many thanks

I7-4790
GTX 960 or R9 280X (haven't decided yet)
Asus H81M-Plus
16gb hyper X fury 2x8gb
1tb caviar black + 120gb kingston v300 SSD
corsair 200R case

 

[Saga Lout]

I apologise on behalf of our automatic Junk Detector which took against your post for no apparent reason. The only thing I can't check is the BB Code - did you include any?

I have reopened your thread and I hope you get an answer either here or there.

 

[Karadjgne]

I'd go with the CS. The VS is pretty much at the bottom of Corsair's quality list.

 

[giantbucket]

Hi sorry i cant post a thread it keeps getting deletedm;( I'm ordering a PC I've configured from PC specialist (I can't build one ATM) and I've got a choice between Corsair 550W VS or the 650W CS PSU is it worth spending more on the CS and will I need the extra wattage? I'm not planning to overclock or add Sli or Xfire. Will they both run my system stabily? I'm going to be using it for rendering and recording minecraft if it helps. Many thanks

I7-4790
GTX 960 or R9 280X (haven't decided yet)
Asus H81M-Plus
16gb hyper X fury 2x8gb
1tb caviar black + 120gb kingston v300 SSD
corsair 200R case

I have a system with an i5-3570 and 3 average-power graphics cards (no separate power pins, but there's 3 cards), plus 4 hard drives, and it runs 24/7 with a CX500M power supply perfectly. so i'd say - based on what I have and what you want to have - that a CS650 will be perfectly well suited (it's basically a better version of a CX).

I wouldn't go below CX, and even in my case I kind of wish I read more about them before buying (as I would have likely gone to at least an RM, if not better)

 

[xreap]

hi guys, just wanted to get your opinion, Ill be running a computer as a SQL server in our work network. Would the Antec VP-P 450w be enough to run an I5 (3rd gen), a single HDD, and about 4 LED fans? I'll be running the computer almost 24/7 so would my PSU be able to handle it?

 

[Onus]

Yes, the VP-450 will be fine for that PC. You could use one of the 300W 80+ Bronze Seasonics if you wanted.

 

[xreap]

Thanks for the quick reply, I actually wanted to get a Seasonic PSU however getting a hold of one is a bit troublesome where im currently located thats why im considering the VP-450. One more thing, Although the thread lumps the VP, VP-P, VP-F together, I read somewhere that the VP-P is a bit inferior to the VP, just cant remember where i read that. Thanks again

 

[g-unit1111]

Solid Gear / Coolnix should be added as a tier 5 - these power supplies are not to be trusted from what I hear.

The Andyson Platinum series and all PSUs that are based off this unit should be added as a tier 1 / mid level tier 2: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=412

 

[chimera201]

^ :lol:

 

[zeyuanfu]

^wut...

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Ignore dirtyferret. That account was made to circumvent an old banned account under the name ct1615. If you look on the last page he "quoted" some things said on the jonnyguru forums. Those "quotes" were made by his alternate account ct1615 so he was engaged in some form of mental masturbation with himself. In fact, if not for him doing that and me remembering ct1615 had a ferret as an avatar I wouldn't have checked his IP and found he was using this account to circumvent the ban on the other account. So he's gone bye bye. Maybe he can find another site to quote himself on. Somewhere the other douche bags who can't play nice with others hang out.

 

[g-unit1111]

according to the tom's fan boys its a tier4-5...you know because it's not a seasonic so it can't be tier 1. It's not a brand like corsair, antec, xfx so it can't be tier 2...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/andyson-platinum-r1200-psu,4090.html

Did you read either review? Jonnyguru said that the quality of this unit puts Andyson in Super Flower / Seasonic territory. The Tom's review said and I'm quoting "Excellent build quality." Just because it's not from a well known manufacturer doesn't make it a bad unit, and just because a unit is from a well known manufacturer (*COUGH* Corsair CX) doesn't make it a good unit either.