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I can see that the list was updated recently, however i don't see the newest corsair RMx series. Does anyone know how they are ranked?
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I was in a shop today and noticed a Corsair CX750M in a different packaging to the rest of the CX series they had (looked like the same design as the RMi series). Does anyone know if they have been refreshed in any way? I know they're pretty bad but could Corsair be improving them slightly?
 


Because only one guy can update the list and most of us can't edit or change anything about it.
 


Seems to be a recent series from late 2015, but no reviews done on it. It's probably a decent performer.
 


I have a CX600M in my HTPC that I am looking to replace with something a little better. The price seems good on this unit.

 
I really appreciate this list being available to those of us who are learning and just starting to build. But I have to say that there is some level of bias here. I recently built my first rig. I spent good money on an i7-6700k and an r9 390 and I knew from researching that I needed a quality PSU to run these components with stability and confidence. Now before I even knew there was a tier list, my research indicated that Thermaltake was a quality PSU brand. So when I found the Smart series 750w Thermaltake for (at the time, $80) I jumped on it. I ran HWinfo64 for nearly a week after completing the build and closely monitored my voltages, all of them, and the output remained steady and strong. Then I proceeded to overclock my cpu and gpu and my system continues to be stable.
So when I read here that the Smart series is listed as a tier 4 PSU, I was offended on its behalf. Now maybe some of the Smart series units have proven to be bad or faulty and those reviews inevitably get smeared across the interwebs, as well they should, but I think that a few bad reviews do not a lower tier psu make. I have read of frequent/serious manufacturing issues with the EVGA Supernova G2, but it's listed in the tier 1 list. I don't have anything against EVGA, just trying to make a point.
 


Your bases of argument is very weak. Software readings such as HWMonitor and BIOS readings are very inaccurate. Too many people assume these are accurate voltage readings, but they are not. They can often be as far as 0.2-0.3V from the actual value. I would take software voltage readings with a particle of a grain of salt.

I think basing your argument off HWmonitor lofty readings is futile. What about ripple suppression? What about the capacitors? What about the protections? What about the fan type? The transient filter? The transient load voltage stabilization? Crossloading? Hold-up time? Soldering? Power factor correction?

Before I read your complete post, I was going to assume you were speaking of EVGA bias. But the Thermaltake Smart series is right where it should be. Just look at this review here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermaltake-smart-630-w-power-supply-review/

85C Teapo primary cap, 105C Teapo secondaries. Teapo is decent, but Japanese make higher tiers. Voltages on the 12V rail almost got down to 11.4V under load. That alone makes it a Tier 4 in my eyes. It's easy to try to defend the unit since you own it, but I think you need some reality here.
 
You misunderstand and misread sir. There is no flawed argument because I wasn't presenting an "argument". I was just giving my two cents, my opinion if you will. Is that not what forums are for, education and discussion? It sorta seems like you are seeking confrontation and I don't appreciate it. I do not use HWmonitor. It's readings are notoriously inaccurate, whereas HWinfo64 is much better. One of Toms own mods says, and I quote, "HWInfo is one of the most reliable tools I have ever used."
I am by no means a power supply expert and I do not claim to be. Again, my point was that my Thermaltake's output is reliable and on par with the listed specifications of the unit, nor does my unit drop power under load.
I didn't even read the review you linked because I already stated that bad reviews can be found all over the place for both EVGA Supernova, Thermaltake, as well as others at the top of the list.

"need some reality"?!?! Your tone is not welcoming at all. If this is how you speak to anyone who comes here to read, learn and discuss, you should be banned from participating in these forums.
 
We dont need any kind of tools, that series (SMART)from termaltake is not the very best you can find out there, its internal topology has not the best components on the market,(mediocre caps, etc..) so it does not matter wich unit you get, all use the same components and that is why its at tier 4.
I really recommend you to read the review that was linked to you, Gabriel Torres from Hardwaresecrets is one of hte best in the world of PSUs reviews, As well as Jonnyguru site.
You will realize after reading it, that you are mistaken in your opinion🙁 my point was that my Thermaltake's output is reliable and on par with the listed specifications of the unit, nor does my unit drop power under load).
 
The Thermaltake Smart series is well known for having a below average build quality and reliability. That doesn't mean that every single unit is a complete disaster. Thermaltake would be out of business right now if that was the case. Does that make it a "good" purchase? No not really. Sure it will work for maybe a year or two, but it's not a unit that you're going to be able to keep with you from system to system. I had an Antec Earthwatts that has seen full time duties in 5 or 6 systems over the years and is still running strong today.

The fact is, it's PROBABLY not going to last very long for you. I hope it does though. Let us know how it works out.
 
A sample of one, that doesn't fail, does not compensate for the other ten units that did. Even in mainstream machines without discreet graphics or overclocking, the Smart series isn't, well, smart. It's poor. I've personally seen hundreds of threads here where people with Smart series or TR2 Thermaltake units insisted that they were fine, but in the end, replacement of the unit was the solution to the problems they were having. I'll take the general average over your sample of one any day, and when I additionally factor in the relatively poor results on the professional reviews of those units, I find that they do indeed belong where they are as determined by Dottorent, who created and maintains this list.

Just to be clear, before one of the naysayers decides to throw this out there, as far as the TR2 units are concerned I'm referencing their reliability historically. Apparently the newer TR2 units are somewhat better, not that I'd ever purchase a Thermaltake PSU anyhow. For what you'd pay for a Thermaltake unit at any price range, there is something better to be had, or something as good to be had for less.
 


However, I don't find your tone very friendly either, saying I should be banned from this forum. What I did was I informed you. And you took in that information as rude, but I was informing you of the other things that make a unit quality or not. Yes, I was confrontational and will continue to be if I have to, because you made a direct claim, not a 2-cent claim or opinion, but a direct claim saying this Tier list is biased.

Look, I am a really nice person, don't get me wrong, but when I respond to anyone on this forum, I may not come out as all flowery and grassy meadow. You said that the tier list was biased and that your HWinfo readings are good, but there are other factors that make a PSU quality besides voltage regulation (and a side note, even HWinfo can be inaccurate. Only multi-meters are real readings.) Therefore, I stated what these were, in sort of a rhetorical fashion by saying "What about x? What about y?"

Therefore, I said "you need some reality" because you need to gain enlightenment on the other factors that make a PSU high quality or not. It may come off as very assertive, but assertiveness is what people remember. Everyone asserts me. When I made my Tier List, everyone asserted themselves against me, but I hold strong. The whole of Jonnyguru forums hated my list, as well as many on here and LTT. Back in early 2015 when I was trying to argue how my EVGA 500W was good quality, Damric came on me like a hound dog. It hurt, but I learned my lesson and I thank Damric for that. It's made me strong. Sometimes, we have to be assertive, as I was to you, but in no way did I insult you. I am all for education and discussion and learning, and wish you the best in your further studies of PSUs.
 
So much for the CX430 being a consideration on any current budget builds. Corsair decided they were prouder of it than they used to be, and raised the price to 44.00. Pffft. Really? I don't think so. Homey don't play that. That was the last and only Corsair unit I'd recommend for budget builds, and now it's a no go at that price. Back to the cheap Seasonic and Antec units for low power systems.
 
So much for the CX430 being a consideration on any current budget builds. Corsair decided they were prouder of it than they used to be, and raised the price to 44.00. Pffft. Really? I don't think so. Homey don't play that. That was the last and only Corsair unit I'd recommend for budget builds, and now it's a no go at that price. Back to the cheap Seasonic and Antec units for low power systems.
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I wouldn't pay $19 for one. :mdr:
 
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