PSU tier list 2.0

[Hedgehog684]

What model Chieftec

http://www.chieftec.eu/en/psus/smart-series/gps-700a8.html

most aren't very good.

I know that this model is a good trash.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Yes that is correct , it's not a very good power supply made by CWT.

 

[seeingeyegod]

I'm still using my tier 5 "instasplode" (per people here) PSU 2 years after everyone here told me it was a ticking time bomb.

 

[USAFRet]

I'm still using my tier 5 "instasplode" (per people here) PSU 2 years after everyone here told me it was a ticking time bomb.

The thing about ticking time bombs...you only know when its too late when it stops ticking.

 

[superninja12]

I'm still using my tier 5 "instasplode" (per people here) PSU 2 years after everyone here told me it was a ticking time bomb.

The thing about ticking time bombs...you only know when its too late when it stops ticking.

and the repairing costs are higher than a new psu....

 

[seeingeyegod]

I'm much more likely to have a hard drive fail and lose everything from that. I've never heard of a power supply killing a PC unless it was hit by lightning.

 

[USAFRet]

I'm much more likely to have a hard drive fail and lose everything from that. I've never heard of a power supply killing a PC unless it was hit by lightning.

A failed hard drive should never be more than, "Aw crap, I need to buy another drive". The data should be safe, elsewhere.
Nothing else should be 'lost'.

A failed low level PSU can and does kill other parts. That you have not yet seen that means little.

Good luck.

 

[Onus]

Most of us have seen cheap PSU-shaped objects blow for no apparent reason, destroying one or more attached components.

You improve your odds considerably if you use a quality UPS or surge protector (cheap PSUs lack protection circuits), and only load it to 25%-40% of its labeled wattage. I know of a couple of Apevia "devices" that lasted for years under those conditions, basically the full working life of the PC. I'd never have bought another one, nor re-used either of those.

 

[seeingeyegod]

I'm much more likely to have a hard drive fail and lose everything from that. I've never heard of a power supply killing a PC unless it was hit by lightning.

A failed hard drive should never be more than, "Aw crap, I need to buy another drive". The data should be safe, elsewhere.
Nothing else should be 'lost'.

A failed low level PSU can and does kill other parts. That you have not yet seen that means little.

Good luck.

I think the fact that I haven't seen a PSU kill other parts (except when it was destroyed by lightening) over 25 years of PC tech experience is pretty good evidence that it is extremely rare. On the other hand I've seen umpteen hard drives fail. And yes my important stuff is backed up, it would just be a pain to start over because I probably would use the opportunity to start fresh instead of restoring everything in one fell swoop. Point is this thread scares people away from buying perfectly good PSUs that have extremely small chances of failing, just the more expensive ones have an even more tiny chance of failing. Spend twice as much if it makes you feel good. My PSU is not going to die until long after I have retired this PC.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I'm much more likely to have a hard drive fail and lose everything from that. I've never heard of a power supply killing a PC unless it was hit by lightning.

A failed hard drive should never be more than, "Aw crap, I need to buy another drive". The data should be safe, elsewhere.
Nothing else should be 'lost'.

A failed low level PSU can and does kill other parts. That you have not yet seen that means little.

Good luck.

I think the fact that I haven't seen a PSU kill other parts (except when it was destroyed by lightening) over 25 years of PC tech experience is pretty good evidence that it is extremely rare. On the other hand I've seen umpteen hard drives fail. And yes my important stuff is backed up, it would just be a pain to start over because I probably would use the opportunity to start fresh instead of restoring everything in one fell swoop. Point is this thread scares people away from buying perfectly good PSUs that have extremely small chances of failing, just the more expensive ones have an even more tiny chance of failing. Spend twice as much if it makes you feel good. My PSU is not going to die until long after I have retired this PC.

Actually any time a single piece of hardware dies the PSU is to blame, even if it's working perfectly fine. The GPU dies, well maybe if the PSU had tighter voltage stability it would have died one year later instead. The motherboard VRM dies, well maybe if the PSU didn't have some form of a ripple anamoly it would have been prolonged.

You seem to be thinking of some sort of boom and then everything is instantly killed. It's not really like that, the performance of the PSU directly affects how long everything else in the computer is going to last, and every piece of hardware will eventually die and the PSU is technically to blame. Except maybe fans, bearing drying out is just life.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Actually any time a single piece of hardware dies the PSU is to blame, even if it's working perfectly fine....LOL

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Actually any time a single piece of hardware dies the PSU is to blame, even if it's working perfectly fine....LOL

Were not it hooked up to the PSU, it would not be running. If it wasn't running (aka like sitting on a shelf) it's not going to die (well technically eventually it will maybe after decades upon decades). It only works because of the PSU. It only gets worn out because of the PSU.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

That statement is false , but you can believe what you want.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

That statement is false , but you can believe what you want.

Do you have a counterargument? I noticed you are always trying to tell me I'm wrong and you won't provide your own evidence to backup your own claims.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

I don't need to back up a statement that is false with facts , components don't ALL fail because of the PSU.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I don't need to back up a statement that is false with facts , components don't ALL fail because of the PSU.

It's meant to portray the point to him that the PSU does affect the lifespan of components. Do you not believe this?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Of course , but your statement of ALL components that FAIL are because of power supplies isn't factual...And you know that's not true.

 

[USAFRet]

Actually any time a single piece of hardware dies the PSU is to blame, even if it's working perfectly fine. The GPU dies, well maybe if the PSU had tighter voltage stability it would have died one year later instead. The motherboard VRM dies, well maybe if the PSU didn't have some form of a ripple anamoly it would have been prolonged.

Dude, really?
So the WD Green that died on me last year (5 weeks old, bought as a pair), was because of the PSU? The same PSU that is still powering the other one, and all the rest of the parts?

No...it was simply a drive that died.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Had it not been connected to the PSU it would have not died.

 

[Mac070]

Had it not been connected to the PSU it would have not died.

Never heard of a PSU killing a HDD. The power supply doesn't kill the hard drive. It's just the life span and quality of the drive. Just basically using the drive decreases the life span. But yes in theory the HDD sitting on the shelf would last longer.

Unless the PSU bursts into flames and destroys it ....

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I think the word "kill" is just too harsh for some people to swallow. The power supply "put it slowly to rest with a soft melody". My evidence to back this up is that if you hooked the hard drive up to the ideal power supply, which is a hypothetical power supply with perfect performance, it probably would have lasted longer. No way to know for sure, but the hard drive life would have changed. This means the power supply itself is a variable in a hypothetical equation of the hard drives life (which surely includes multiple variables). Because it is a variable in such an equation, I do believe the power supply is worthy of blame for such an action and believe that is justifiable support.

Now blame may be too harsh. It is doing its job. But the side effect of its job is other hardware gets worn out. But this may get into semantics soon.

 

[USAFRet]

Had it not been connected to the PSU it would have not died.

So continuing with this thought process, should we then blame the nuclear power plant where most of my electricity comes from?
After all...had it not been plugged into the wall....

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Sure. You could go down to the existence of atoms, for if they did not exist the power supply and hard drive wouldn't exist so the hard drive wouldn't have failed.

But anyway sometimes y'all have to realize that I say stuff that seems awfully daring buts it is usually a very exaggerated and hypothetical statement just to get some other point across. In this case I was just trying to tell the guy that the PSU does affect the lifespan of the hardware, so it all roots down to how the word "kill" is defined. Semantics, as I said.

 

[superninja12]

Sure. You could go down to the existence of atoms, for if they did not exist the power supply and hard drive wouldn't exist so the hard drive wouldn't have failed.

But anyway sometimes y'all have to realize that I say stuff that seems awfully daring buts it is usually a very exaggerated and hypothetical statement just to get some other point across. In this case I was just trying to tell the guy that the PSU does affect the lifespan of the hardware, so it all roots down to how the word "kill" is defined. Semantics, as I said.

you said if a hardware component dies , its part due the psu.

exluding user mistakes like spoliing water onto your rig.

a component can for example die, because it wasnt made well by the company itself.
for instance if evga didnt make a good gpu it can die wihin a week (bad luck) that isnt a problem because of the psu.
its rare iknow but its just an example.

 

[Mac070]

Sure. You could go down to the existence of atoms, for if they did not exist the power supply and hard drive wouldn't exist so the hard drive wouldn't have failed.

But anyway sometimes y'all have to realize that I say stuff that seems awfully daring buts it is usually a very exaggerated and hypothetical statement just to get some other point across. In this case I was just trying to tell the guy that the PSU does affect the lifespan of the hardware, so it all roots down to how the word "kill" is defined. Semantics, as I said.

I wouldn't say the PSU decreases the life span. I'd say the environment and usage does. Depending on where it's at and how long its been used along with how heavily. But we each have our own personal views .....