Question Ryzen Upgrade needed for new graphics card?

[slyguy28]

Recently purchased a RTX 4070 for my desktop and currently using a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU. Upon research, getting mixed bag of if this will function properly or create any bottlenecks upon installation. Any suggestions on this? Open to purchasing a different CPU if necessary, but not sure if it is required to operate mid-demanding games? (Console player for most high demanding games).

Any advice much appreciated.

Thanks,

SLYGUY

Acer VG271U Pbmiipx 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor

MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

MSI GeForce GTX 970 4 GB GAMING 100ME Video Card (Previous)
Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case

EVGA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

 

[Hotrod2go]

Reckon that 3600 will bottleneck the might of the 4070 @ 2K & up to 144Hz; however... if you OC the 3600, will definitely help of course. Otherwise you have a nice upgrade path without changing socket - 5800X3D would kill it.

 

[BFG-9000]

3600 does limit the 4070 quite a bit and if your board can accept a 5800X3D it would be a worthwhile upgrade for gaming, but you could look at it the other way and decide if you are limited in fps anyway, may as well crank up the image quality to load the GPU. That's easy nowadays with DSR/VSR

Note the 3090 is pretty much equivalent in performance to the 4070 (only with twice the RAM and 150w higher TDP) and it is kind of limited by the 3600X, which is 200MHz faster than your 3600. Even the 5600X is quite an upgrade for nVidia cards.

 

[slyguy28]

Reckon that 3600 will bottleneck the might of the 4070 @ 2K & up to 144Hz; however... if you OC the 3600, will definitely help of course. Otherwise you have a nice upgrade path without changing socket - 5800X3D would kill it.

Appreciate the feedback. If I jump to this CPU should I consider more than the stock AMD Wraith cooling fan I am using currently with 3600? Suggestions on this? Looks like most are running stock fans on this, just curious your thoughts.

Thanks

 

[slyguy28]

3600 does limit the 4070 quite a bit and if your board can accept a 5800X3D it would be a worthwhile upgrade for gaming, but you could look at it the other way and decide if you are limited in fps anyway, may as well crank up the image quality to load the GPU. That's easy nowadays with DSR/VSR

Note the 3090 is pretty much equivalent in performance to the 4070 (only with twice the RAM and 150w higher TDP) and it is kind of limited by the 3600X, which is 200MHz faster than your 3600. Even the 5600X is quite an upgrade for nVidia cards.

I debated these two cards quite a bit. My end decision was power load even though my PSU could likely handle it. I leaned on the community for best option and it appears to be quite a debate, so as a novice I went with newer series assuming it will get me through a few more years. Honestly I have passed on GPU upgrade at least a dozen times over the years due to price and supply, finally just bit the bullet. Not sure if I need to upgrade cooling method or not also with 5800X3D so leaving some power wiggle room. I have always bought a motherboard and CPU a same time, but I am thinking this MOBO has some life left in it so will try to accommodate. Appreciate any feedback or advice on this and thanks for quick reply.

 

[BFG-9000]

4070 has better ray-tracing and if that wasn't important, RX7900GRE would've been better with an old CPU. I only mentioned the 3090 on 3600X because it was the closest thing to 4070 on 3600 with lots of benchmarks showing the CPU limitation.

Your Wraith Stealth (what comes stock with a 3600) is only rated for 65w TDP, while the 5700X3D/5800X3D are 105w (and don't come with any cooler). Any aftermarket cooler that works on 253w Intels and also has an AM4 mount should work great.

 

[logainofhades]

5700x3d is the deal to get. 5800x3d is still stubbornly priced way too high. You will want better cooling. What to get would be dependent on budget, case, and ram height.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $199.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-24 12:28 EDT-0400

 

[slyguy28]

5700x3d is the deal to get. 5800x3d is still stubbornly priced way too high.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $199.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-24 12:28 EDT-0400

I was about to ask if it was worth $140 additional. Thanks for assist.

 

[Zerk2012]

I was about to ask if it was worth $140 additional. Thanks for assist.

I would run it with what you have first and see how you like it before upgrading the processor.

Edit Your always going to have a bottleneck somewhere no matter what you buy.

 

[kira-faye]

If you have space for it, one of the big cheap dual tower Thermalright heatsinks like the Peerless Assassin would be the easy, cost-effective way to go.

Depending on what you're playing the 3600 could prove to be plenty, though - especially if you're using a 60Hz display.

 

[slyguy28]

If you have space for it, one of the big cheap dual tower Thermalright heatsinks like the Peerless Assassin would be the easy, cost-effective way to go.

Depending on what you're playing the 3600 could prove to be plenty, though - especially if you're using a 60Hz display.

I am tempted to give it a run, but running dual 144 hz (but have been only utilizing 60). I think it would run what I have fine for what I do on a daily basis, just looking into long term solutions for making future proof while materials are available and budget is friendly. I appreciate the suggestion however and just might see what I get out of it.

 

[35below0]

Check the PC case manual for CPU cooler clearance.
Check cooler specs/manual for RAM clearance.

To make it as simple as possible, check whether you can install a Peerless Assassin because that will have you covered.

If RAM clearance is an issue, and it might be as Tridents are taller than most sticks, look into a Scythe Mugen 6 or even a Fuma 3 cooler. Those are offset so they do not overhang RAM.
Also, they are goood, but a little bit pricier than Thermalright coolers.
Other good options are Noctua, Arctic Freezer, DeepCool and beQuiet!

 

[logainofhades]

I would run it with what you have first and see how you like it before upgrading the processor.

Edit Your always going to have a bottleneck somewhere no matter what you buy.

Their 4070 could get a bit bored, waiting on the 3600, even at 1440p. The latency of older Ryzen chips can cause them to have issues due to Nvidia's driver overhead. That latency penalty was rectified with Zen 3, when the cache was unified to be able to access all cores on a chiplet, vs being split like older designs. The 5700x3d is cheap enough now, to justify getting as one last final upgrade to their AM4 rig, giving it a few more years of life.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlfwXqODqp4

 

[slyguy28]

Check the PC case manual for CPU cooler clearance.
Check cooler specs/manual for RAM clearance.

To make it as simple as possible, check whether you can install a Peerless Assassin because that will have you covered.

If RAM clearance is an issue, and it might be as Tridents are taller than most sticks, look into a Scythe Mugen 6 or even a Fuma 3 cooler. Those are offset so they do not overhang RAM.
Also, they are goood, but a little bit pricier than Thermalright coolers.
Other good options are Noctua, Arctic Freezer, DeepCool and beQuiet!

Case is good at 160MM, but I am seeing a lot of chatter on forums about this being an issue. Great call out. Probably saved me some time and a bad purchase. I am looking into alternative RAM clearance fans now using your list. Too many options, I am very simple minded typically.

Update: the Ram clearance of the "assassin" model is 44 mm. According to specs, the tridents I am using are 1.73 inches, or 43.942 MM.

 

[Zerk2012]

Their 4070 could get a bit bored, waiting on the 3600, even at 1440p. The latency of older Ryzen chips can cause them to have issues due to Nvidia's driver overhead. That latency penalty was rectified with Zen 3, when the cache was unified to be able to access all cores on a chiplet, vs being split like older designs. The 5700x3d is cheap enough now, to justify getting as one last final upgrade to their AM4 rig, giving it a few more years of life.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlfwXqODqp4

True but nothing to loose in trying your performance first before spending more money.

 

[35below0]

Arctic Freezer 36 - just barely fits:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N6bRsY/arctic-freezer-36-cpu-cooler-acfre00123a

Freezer 36 | Multi Compatible Tower CPU Cooler | ACFRE00121A | ARCTIC

ACFRE00121A | The brand new Freezer 36 now available | New design and better performance | Successor to the rated Freezer 34 eSports DUO | ARCTIC Store | Freezer 36 | Freezer 36 (Black) | Freezer 36 Black | Freezer 36 schwarz

www.arctic.de

Peerless Assassin 120 SE - too tight; will cover RAM:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hY...sassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3
You can mount the fan a little bit higher up without losing much performance. covers up the sticks though.

Phantom Spirit EVO - same issues as Peerless:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BR...-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo

Phantom Spirit 120 EVO – Thermalright

www.thermalright.com

Tremendous cooler. One of the best in the world. 157mm tall means it's a snug fit. If at all.

Scythe Fuma 3 - offest away from RAM; no clearance issues:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g7pQzy/scythe-fuma-3-6762-cfm-cpu-cooler-scfm-3000

Fuma 3｜CPU Cooler｜Scythe｜United States

Scythe flagship model Fuma 3 is a high-end dual tower CPU air cooler. Built on the basis of the legendary Fuma 2, the Fuma 3 is optimized with higher fin density and better cooling performance. Thanks to the improved asymmetrical heat sink layout, the Fuma 3 offers 100% RAM compatibility and is...

www.scytheus.com

154mm tall. Can be mounted both directions to avoid clattering RAM or motherboard VRM.

Scythe Mugen 6 (dual fan model):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rV9wrH/scythe-mugen-6-dual-fan-6029-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-6000dbe

Mugen 6 DBE (Dual Fan Black Edition) | scythe.tw

www.scytheus.com

Beefier than the Fuma 3, it's a little more costly but it fits and has no trouble with your RAM.

There would normaly be some DeepCool recommendations, but a lot of them seem to be out of stock. They perform much like Scythe or Thermalright models, though TM are just a little bit better.
beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 5 is another option but it's costly and not really as good as the others. It's very quiet though, and does the job.

Last but not least:
Noctua NH-D15 (single fan version)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xCL7YJ/noctua-nh-d15s-8252-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-d15s

NH-D15S

Tailored to provide superior RAM and PCIe compatibility, the NH-D15S is an asymmetrical single fan version of Noctua’s award-winning flagship model, the NH-D15. Thanks to its asymmetrical design, the NH-D15S clears the top PCIe slot on most µATX and ATX motherboards. At the same time, the single...

noctua.at

This doesn't fit your case unfortunately, as it's 160mm tall. It might squeeze in but you don't want to have problems closing the case.
It's excellent and quiet and freaking huge.
It's worth considering but i wouldn't choose this one, not this time. Not only is it impossible to guarantee that it will fit, Noctua is also going to release an updated model very soon.
It's something to have on your radar but not a good purchase today. They come with a limited lifetime warranty and they are built to last a lifetime. Hence the pricier price.


Of the lot, i would choose one of the Scythes, either will do but Mugen is the better performer. You might re-use it in the future if you move to AM5. An adapter should be available for future sockets.

Those are my 2 cents. Maybe others have good recommendations.

 

[slyguy28]

Arctic Freezer 36 - just barely fits:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N6bRsY/arctic-freezer-36-cpu-cooler-acfre00123a

Freezer 36 | Multi Compatible Tower CPU Cooler | ACFRE00121A | ARCTIC

ACFRE00121A | The brand new Freezer 36 now available | New design and better performance | Successor to the rated Freezer 34 eSports DUO | ARCTIC Store | Freezer 36 | Freezer 36 (Black) | Freezer 36 Black | Freezer 36 schwarz

www.arctic.de

Peerless Assassin 120 SE - too tight; will cover RAM:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hY...sassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3
You can mount the fan a little bit higher up without losing much performance. covers up the sticks though.

Phantom Spirit EVO - same issues as Peerless:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BR...-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo

Phantom Spirit 120 EVO – Thermalright

www.thermalright.com

Tremendous cooler. One of the best in the world. 157mm tall means it's a snug fit. If at all.

Scythe Fuma 3 - offest away from RAM; no clearance issues:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g7pQzy/scythe-fuma-3-6762-cfm-cpu-cooler-scfm-3000

Fuma 3｜CPU Cooler｜Scythe｜United States

Scythe flagship model Fuma 3 is a high-end dual tower CPU air cooler. Built on the basis of the legendary Fuma 2, the Fuma 3 is optimized with higher fin density and better cooling performance. Thanks to the improved asymmetrical heat sink layout, the Fuma 3 offers 100% RAM compatibility and is...

www.scytheus.com

154mm tall. Can be mounted both directions to avoid clattering RAM or motherboard VRM.

Scythe Mugen 6 (dual fan model):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rV9wrH/scythe-mugen-6-dual-fan-6029-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-6000dbe

Mugen 6 DBE (Dual Fan Black Edition) | scythe.tw

www.scytheus.com

Beefier than the Fuma 3, it's a little more costly but it fits and has no trouble with your RAM.

There would normaly be some DeepCool recommendations, but a lot of them seem to be out of stock. They perform much like Scythe or Thermalright models, though TM are just a little bit better.
beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 5 is another option but it's costly and not really as good as the others. It's very quiet though, and does the job.

Last but not least:
Noctua NH-D15 (single fan version)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xCL7YJ/noctua-nh-d15s-8252-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-d15s

NH-D15S

Tailored to provide superior RAM and PCIe compatibility, the NH-D15S is an asymmetrical single fan version of Noctua’s award-winning flagship model, the NH-D15. Thanks to its asymmetrical design, the NH-D15S clears the top PCIe slot on most µATX and ATX motherboards. At the same time, the single...

noctua.at

This doesn't fit your case unfortunately, as it's 160mm tall. It might squeeze in but you don't want to have problems closing the case.
It's excellent and quiet and freaking huge.
It's worth considering but i wouldn't choose this one, not this time. Not only is it impossible to guarantee that it will fit, Noctua is also going to release an updated model very soon.
It's something to have on your radar but not a good purchase today. They come with a limited lifetime warranty and they are built to last a lifetime. Hence the pricier price.


Of the lot, i would choose one of the Scythes, either will do but Mugen is the better performer. You might re-use it in the future if you move to AM5. An adapter should be available for future sockets.

Those are my 2 cents. Maybe others have good recommendations.

I have the Fuma 3 in the cart. Couldn't resist the design and only $50. Can't thank you enough for advice and putting the personal notes and suggestions. Way beyond expectations. Thanks for your time and patience on this.

SLYGUY

 

[35below0]

I have the Fuma 3 in the cart. Couldn't resist the design and only $50. Can't thank you enough for advice and putting the personal notes and suggestions. Way beyond expectations. Thanks for your time and patience on this.

SLYGUY

Happy to help. Glad you like the Fuma!

 

[rcald2000]

This CPU / cooler / flash drive to update BIOS in anticipation of upgrading CPU.

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AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 8-Core, 16-Thread Desktop Processor
$199.99

Amazon.com

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Thermalright BA120 ARGB CPU Air Cooler, 6 Heat Pipes, TL-C12CG-S PWM Quiet Fan CPU Cooler with S-FDB Bearing, for AMD AM4/AM5 Intel LGA1700/1150/1151/1200
$22.90
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09YY72PYN
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SanDisk 32GB Ultra USB 3.0 Flash Drive - SDCZ48-032G-GAM46, Black
$8.19
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081QSHG13
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[beyondlogic]

Recently purchased a RTX 4070 for my desktop and currently using a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU. Upon research, getting mixed bag of if this will function properly or create any bottlenecks upon installation. Any suggestions on this? Open to purchasing a different CPU if necessary, but not sure if it is required to operate mid-demanding games? (Console player for most high demanding games).

Any advice much appreciated.

Thanks,

SLYGUY

Acer VG271U Pbmiipx 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor

MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

MSI GeForce GTX 970 4 GB GAMING 100ME Video Card (Previous)
Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case

EVGA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...00x3d-3-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100001503wof
is better or 5700x if on a budget

if you want to upgrade it and dont want to worry about it
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...00x-37-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000061wof
upgrading to 32gb of ram 4x8 kit at 3200 or 3600 at cl 16 ( the cl16 or 14 is important)
( do not mix kits) only one kit of 4x8gb

am4 zen 3 memory systems favour all 4 channels

 

[Therealhandyman1957]

I made the same upgrade to the 5800X3D and purchased the Sythe Fuma2 cooler and it runs nice and cool and was such an upgrade as to be mind blowing. It has been shown that the 5700X3D is almost as good as the 5800X3D within a few points. For the money, you can't go wrong.