[SOLVED] Suggest a build or digitization of books?

[krishna_balajee]

Hi,

I'm sorry to post again but I'd be happy to get some replies.
We're a team of 5 individuals indulged in the digitization of books. We're looking to create a workstation build with the budget of 1200 USD (90K INR) that will do the following:

1. Connected to a high-end scanner and enable the process of digitization of books with ease & efficiency.
2. Store the digitized books and act as a digital library, allow 5 users to easily access the books and apply authorization security techniques.
3. Perform synchronized backup to secondary hard disk storage & cloud storage.
4. Be a workhorse for at least 8 hours every day of the week.

We've selected some of the parts but we don't mind getting better suggestions. The parts we need and we've selected:

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (Amazon Link)
Cooler: ??
Mobo: ??
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Amazon Link)
Storage:
SSD for OS: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Amazon Link)
Hard Disk for File Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (Amazon Link)
GPU: ??
Case: ??
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Amazon Link)
OS: Windows 10 Pro

Please suggest us if any other peripheral would make the digitization process easier and let us know if any of the parts don't go well with the other. An absolutely new set of parts suggestions are welcome as well.

Thanks in advance.

 

[g-unit1111]

First off, what programs do you plan to run during this process? Depending on the applications you might not need something that high end, but if you're working with really detailed and layered stuff then you could probably go even higher. Adobe CS is more CPU dependent than GPU dependent so I would put more of the budget towards a better CPU and not worry about the GPU as much.

 

[krishna_balajee]

First off, what programs do you plan to run during this process? Depending on the applications you might not need something that high end, but if you're working with really detailed and layered stuff then you could probably go even higher. Adobe CS is more CPU dependent than GPU dependent so I would put more of the budget towards a better CPU and not worry about the GPU as much.

Thanks for the reply, g-unit1111.
We'll be using NAPS to scan the books and Adobe CS for image manipulation & correction.
We'll also extensively use Adobe Reader DC for converting them into PDF and use E-Print for storing and distributing the digitized books.

As you said, we'd like to focus more on the CPU and spend less for the GPU. If you've any suggestions on which CPU/ Other parts o use, please let us know.

 

[King Dranzer]

You plan to run 5VMs in parallel with distributed resources or will you be working on single Monitor setup.

 

[krishna_balajee]

You plan to run 5VMs in parallel with distributed resources or will you be working on single Monitor setup.

We're planning to work on a single monitor setup and it'll be used just for the above mentioned uses. Each of us has a laptop in which we do our own work This is meant to be a central system that will be used for digitization process and to work as storage & synchroniation (between backup and cloud) device.

 

[King Dranzer]

We're planning to work on a single monitor setup and it'll be used just for the above mentioned uses. Each of us has a laptop in which we do our own work This is meant to be a central system that will be used for digitization process and to work as storage & synchroniation (between backup and cloud) device.

Okay that simplifies things. For that going any higher than i5 is a waste. Unless you have good reason for it. Let me know if there is a reason that you want i7 CPU.

I will provide you suitable list tomorrow.

 

[krishna_balajee]

Okay that simplifies things. For that going any higher than i5 is a waste. Unless you have good reason for it. Let me know if there is a reason that you want i7 CPU.

I will provide you suitable list tomorrow.

I did not have any particular reason to choose i7 except for the fact that we'll be automating the digitization process and digitize several books at the same time. I assumed that parallel digitization might require more cores and clock speed and since our budget allowed us to get a good CPU, I've chosen the i7.

Hope this input helps with the list. Looking forward.
Thank you for your effort!

 

[King Dranzer]

I did not have any particular reason to choose i7 except for the fact that we'll be automating the digitization process and digitize several books at the same time. I assumed that parallel digitization might require more cores and clock speed and since our budget allowed us to get a good CPU, I've chosen the i7.

Hope this input helps with the list. Looking forward.
Thank you for your effort!

You lost me there. I thought you were going to use the PC as Server for storage of Digitized Books. I thought you would connect scanners to the Laptops and Digitize the Books and then Dump the Digitized books onto Storage server which doesn't need that high CPU power to do that.

Isnt that what you were trying to do.

 

[King Dranzer]

Okay see from what little I know about the process(so please correct me if I am wrong). You guys use scanners to scan Hard-Copy version of Book to turn them into Digital Books. So if you are working on 5 copies using 5 different scanners at a time. Wouldn't it take 5 People to work on it as each one would need some kind of Editing or management to be tracking it. If that is the case wouldn't it be meaningful for Using individual laptops to do Digitization and use the PC to store the Digitized copies. Correct me and explain how it works if I got it wrong.

 

[krishna_balajee]

Okay see from what little I know about the process(so please correct me if I am wrong). You guys use scanners to scan Hard-Copy version of Book to turn them into Digital Books. So if you are working on 5 copies using 5 different scanners at a time. Wouldn't it take 5 People to work on it as each one would need some kind of Editing or management to be tracking it. If that is the case wouldn't it be meaningful for Using individual laptops to do Digitization and use the PC to store the Digitized copies. Correct me and explain how it works if I got it wrong.

Thank you for taking time to understand our process.
I'll explain our work briefly:

We've two set of scanners which has the capability of automatically scanning a whole book without the human intervention. We're looking to connect these scanners which will send the scanned copies in image format to the workstation that we're going to build.
One of our members will access the workstation after the digitization process and modify the images if required and turn it into pdf format and push it into storage.
We're also planning to use backup softwares which will create a copy of the pdf in another hard disk and also push the file to a cloud storage.
Since we'll be present only from 9 to 5 in the office, the workstation will have to run only then for all of the above mentioned processes.

 

[g-unit1111]

Thanks for the reply, g-unit1111.
We'll be using NAPS to scan the books and Adobe CS for image manipulation & correction.
We'll also extensively use Adobe Reader DC for converting them into PDF and use E-Print for storing and distributing the digitized books.

As you said, we'd like to focus more on the CPU and spend less for the GPU. If you've any suggestions on which CPU/ Other parts o use, please let us know.

Adobe software tends to favor Intel but you can also use AMD. I'd go for something with a high core count, but your budget is pretty limiting in terms of what CPU you could actually put in a PC like that. I would do something like maybe an AMD 3900X and then pair it with a low end GPU like a 1660TI. So maybe something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($439.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($142.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB OC Video Card ($229.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1402.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-30 15:50 EDT-0400

That's a little bit over budget but you get a 12 core CPU and 32GB of RAM which should help boost output significantly. The motherboard also has multiple M2 slots for more storage and a scratch drive.

 

[krishna_balajee]

Adobe software tends to favor Intel but you can also use AMD. I'd go for something with a high core count, but your budget is pretty limiting in terms of what CPU you could actually put in a PC like that. I would do something like maybe an AMD 3900X and then pair it with a low end GPU like a 1660TI. So maybe something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($439.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($142.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB OC Video Card ($229.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1402.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-30 15:50 EDT-0400

That's a little bit over budget but you get a 12 core CPU and 32GB of RAM which should help boost output significantly. The motherboard also has multiple M2 slots for more storage and a scratch drive.

Thank you so much for the list. This greatly helps me with the idea.
If you don't mind, could you explain why you think we might require 32 GB RAM?

Some of these parts are costlier in my region. So, I'll come up with a list and get your suggestion on it, if that's ok.

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

CPU: Intel i5-10600 (₹19,600 )
Motherboard: ASUS TUF Gaming B460-PLUS (₹11,400 )
Memory: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000MHz 8GB x 2 (₹6,000 )
SSD: WD BLUE PCIe 1TB (₹8,500 )
PSU: Corsair RM750 (₹10,700 )
Case: Fractal Design Define R6 Black (₹ 10,000)
NAS: WD My Cloud EX Ultra (₹ 11,500)
HDD: WD HGST Ultrastar He8 8TB x 2 (₹ 35,300)

TOTAL: ₹1,02,300

That is a complete package including the NAS For External Storage.

I listed 2 x 8TB HDDs. But that doesn't add up to 16TB. I want you to run those HDDs in RAID1 which will only give you 8TB of storage but will give you redundant storage. In case of a Drive Failure you will have second drive as Backup and will not loose the Data on that Drive.

Remember to Format External Storage to exFAT instead of NTFS or FAT32

 

[g-unit1111]

Thank you so much for the list. This greatly helps me with the idea.
If you don't mind, could you explain why you think we might require 32 GB RAM?

Some of these parts are costlier in my region. So, I'll come up with a list and get your suggestion on it, if that's ok.

Heavily layered and detailed files will require more RAM to load properly. I work with large CAD files and Adobe files and my system struggles on even 16GB, usually the more RAM you have for something like that, the better.

 

[krishna_balajee]

Here is the list:

CPU: Intel i5-10600 (₹19,600 )
Motherboard: ASUS TUF Gaming B460-PLUS (₹11,400 )
Memory: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000MHz 8GB x 2 (₹6,000 )
SSD: WD BLUE PCIe 1TB (₹8,500 )
PSU: Corsair RM750 (₹10,700 )
Case: Fractal Design Define R6 Black (₹ 10,000)
NAS: WD My Cloud EX Ultra (₹ 11,500)
HDD: WD HGST Ultrastar He8 8TB x 2 (₹ 35,300)

TOTAL: ₹1,02,300

That is a complete package including the NAS For External Storage.

I listed 2 x 8TB HDDs. But that doesn't add up to 16TB. I want you to run those HDDs in RAID1 which will only give you 8TB of storage but will give you redundant storage. In case of a Drive Failure you will have second drive as Backup and will not loose the Data on that Drive.

Remember to Format External Storage to exFAT instead of NTFS or FAT32

Thanks for the build list.

NAS is a very good idea for Backup data. Thanks for that suggestion.
I'm still thinking of going with a CPU with more cores, so I'm coming up with a build. Will post it here soon. Please let me know what you think of it.

 

[krishna_balajee]

Heavily layered and detailed files will require more RAM to load properly. I work with large CAD files and Adobe files and my system struggles on even 16GB, usually the more RAM you have for something like that, the better.

Makes sense. But I doubt if we'll be doing any high image manipulations or rendering, it'll usually be image stitching and pdf making. I guess I'll buy a mobo that can fit 32 GB RAM and just buy 16 GB RAM at the moment. If needed, we can always upgrade. Thanks for the suggestion.

I'm working on my build. Will update here sooner.

 

[krishna_balajee]

@g-unit1111 & @King Dranzer
Please let me know which would be a better build between the two mentioned below. Apart from this I'm also going to implement @King Dranzer 's idea of implementing RAID for backup.

AMD Build:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (₹42990.00 @ Amazon India)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (₹11648.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (₹10180.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (₹4999.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (₹9249.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (₹19486.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: ₹98552.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-01 19:29 IST+0530

Intel Build:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (₹33499.00 @ Amazon India)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (₹6444.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: ASRock B460M Steel Legend Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (₹10180.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (₹4999.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (₹9249.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB OC Video Card (₹19370.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (₹19486.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: ₹103227.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-01 19:33 IST+0530

I hope I'm making the right choice. Thanks for guiding me through, both of you!

 

[King Dranzer]

Thanks for the build list.

NAS is a very good idea for Backup data. Thanks for that suggestion.
I'm still thinking of going with a CPU with more cores, so I'm coming up with a build. Will post it here soon. Please let me know what you think of it.

Well. It has i5 6C/12T which is not bad but i7 has 8C/16T which takes up the price of my build to around Rs. 1,12,000. Or compromise on storage. Which is up to you.

6TB HDD costs Rs.13,500 which will save you 8K when purchased two. So overall you will get 2TB less but can fit in i7-10700 for same budget

Buy Online HGST Ultrastar He8 6TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5″ (0F23269) Enterprise Hard Disk HUH728060ALE600 - in India

6TB, 7200RPM Rotation Speed, 128MB Cache,SATA III 6.0Gb/s, Enterprise Grade, Heavy Duty 2 Million Hours MTBF Rating, Designed for 24/7 reliable operation, Best-in-class random & sequential performance Reliable, field-proven, 7th generation 5-disk design 128MB cache buffer improves...

www.primeabgb.com

 

[King Dranzer]

@g-unit1111 & @King Dranzer
Please let me know which would be a better build between the two mentioned below. Apart from this I'm also going to implement @King Dranzer 's idea of implementing RAID for backup.

AMD Build:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (₹42990.00 @ Amazon India)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (₹11648.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (₹10180.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (₹4999.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (₹9249.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (₹19486.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: ₹98552.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-01 19:29 IST+0530

Intel Build:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (₹33499.00 @ Amazon India)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (₹6444.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: ASRock B460M Steel Legend Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (₹10180.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (₹4999.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (₹9249.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB OC Video Card (₹19370.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (₹19486.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: ₹103227.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-01 19:33 IST+0530

I hope I'm making the right choice. Thanks for guiding me through, both of you!

Clearly not my friend.

I have listed way superior Motherboard, PSU, Case and Storage for Lesser Budget than what you are spending. Check the Pricing of my list I provided individual Pricing as well. The quality of components on My list is high.

 

[King Dranzer]

That Corsair 200R is really good case but when its price is Rs.2000-3000 and nothing more. Spending that high is just like paying 25Laksh for a Suzuki Swift.

 

[King Dranzer]

That PSU is also no where near the level of Corsair RM series. No point thinking about it just purchase Corsair RM series. It is Priced well and meaningful.

All the websites I provided links to are legit. They have been in service for years and can be trusted.

 

[King Dranzer]

Check and compare speed on both. Speed is bee discussed in the Reviews section.

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07J2WBKXF?tag=pcp03-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=twister_B08M543HQQ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

 

[krishna_balajee]

Well. It has i5 6C/12T which is not bad but i7 has 8C/16T which takes up the price of my build to around Rs. 1,12,000. Or compromise on storage. Which is up to you.

6TB HDD costs Rs.13,500 which will save you 8K when purchased two. So overall you will get 2TB less but can fit in i7-10700 for same budget

Buy Online HGST Ultrastar He8 6TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5″ (0F23269) Enterprise Hard Disk HUH728060ALE600 - in India

6TB, 7200RPM Rotation Speed, 128MB Cache,SATA III 6.0Gb/s, Enterprise Grade, Heavy Duty 2 Million Hours MTBF Rating, Designed for 24/7 reliable operation, Best-in-class random & sequential performance Reliable, field-proven, 7th generation 5-disk design 128MB cache buffer improves...

www.primeabgb.com

You're right about that. At the moment we only need 4TB of hard drive space, so I guess I'll be able to fit i7 with the same budget.

Clearly not my friend.

I have listed way superior Motherboard, PSU, Case and Storage for Lesser Budget than what you are spending. Check the Pricing of my list I provided individual Pricing as well. The quality of components on My list is high.

That PSU is also no where near the level of Corsair RM series. No point thinking about it just purchase Corsair RM series. It is Priced well and meaningful.

All the websites I provided links to are legit. They have been in service for years and can be trusted.

I'm sorry to have put up Amazon Links which are misleading. We're planning to buy the parts from a local vendor and I've chosen th ones that parts that they have. But I guess I saw CORSAIR RM PSU with them. I'll get an update on that alone.

That Corsair 200R is really good case but when its price is Rs.2000-3000 and nothing more. Spending that high is just like paying 25Laksh for a Suzuki Swift.

Sadly, they above mentioned vendor doesn't have Fractal Design cases. I'll think about getting the case seperately from online. Will have to discuss the same with my peers.

 

[King Dranzer]

Going with Intel you really don't need GPU either.

 

[King Dranzer]

Why are you not purchasing from Online retailers. is there a reason. They are legit. They provide bills. Products will be covered under warranty no issue.

If there is a reason please let me know.

Please can you also tell me in which City you live in. Will be helpful.