The 3rd Presidential Debate

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Of course, you do realize that Obama has a proven track record of FAILURE on the economy for the last 4 years. So if Romney is as bad as you are saying, pray tell us what difference would it matter who is President?

Obama said 4 years ago that he would cut the deficit in half in 3 years, bringing down the national debt. The opposite occurred - deficit doubled and the debt went up by trillions of dollars. Now he says to please give him another chance. So, either he & his "expert advisors" didn't understand the economy 4 years ago (pretty likely since his experience as "community organizer" hardly qualified him to balance his checkbook, let alone the economy), or he doesn't understand the economy now, or - most likely - both.

OTOH, Romney ran a profitable company and brought the Olympics budget under control.

So lessee now - who you gonna believe? A proven FAILURE with demonstrated inability to do the job after 4 years of trying, or a proven SUCCESS??

Obama had his chance and it's time to move on..
 


IIRC Marv lives in the Phillipines now - obviously he doesn't care to put his money where his mouth is 😛..
 
Brainless one I am still an American citizen and vote abroad!
 
Sorry for insinuation I posted against you. You have a right to vote as the next person.That is why we have Democracy in the states vote whom you want to. Unfortunately Romney does not think this way with his lying and aggressive tactics he bestowed with his political agenda.
 


Been suffering the last 4 years. Under Clinton, I couldn't afford to go to college, no loan options. Under Bush, I was able to get loans for college. Bought my house under Bush, things were good for me even through the worst. The last 2 years the job market in my original hometown went to poop, my housing values dropped, the government moved a bunch of Section 8 and check collectors into my area "because it was nicer" than the projects. People have fled, my house is now valued at 25% of what I paid for it. A new Honda Civic is more expensive than my house.

Obama has not done anything except made the poor more government dependent, crushed the middle class, and scared the wealthy from doing anything to help anyone. The first rule of living is to take care of yourself first before anything else. The wealthy are taking care of themselves under this destructive gov't and not willing to risk helping anyone else.

Watch the stock market, watch businesses when Capital Gains goes up for 25.8% in a few months, up from the 15%. You'll probably see a lot of investors walk away, but those with money will still get rich. I can't afford to take a 25% tax on my capital gains, the guy with a million dollars in the bank can. This policy hurts the middle class and gives more opportunity to the rich since they're the only ones who can afford the risk!!
 
If you have a strong constitution and your stomach can take it, just check out Obama's and Romney's websites. They both have posted their plans to get America back on track, err, save the middle class, err, move forward, sideways or at least in some other direction.

Obama's infamous booklet to move America FORWARD!

Romney's much touted 5 point plan to save America

Like I said, if your stomach can take it, give them a read and the check out some independent sites for critiques to help cut through the bias.
 
A Romney win alone with help ease the business fear brought on by Obama. Much of it is just people's feelings about business. They know under Obama that there is a fear of increased taxes and a bigger financial burden. Under Romney, they know he is less likely to raise taxes on them or cut into a company's financial situation. Even if both sides did nothing, you'd see this effect.

Romney I feel will be better intune with appeasing businesses and encouraging growth, whereas Obama's ObamaCare has mandated certain causes on the business and that creates distrust.

All that aside, the President only truly has a few things to really accomplish to be successful. Grow the economy, restore consumer faith, and make everyone feel warm and fuzzy. At a very simple level, that will do wonders.

Obama hasn't done a good job at this. He has shown to be out of touch with consumers, with businesses, and doesn't really give you the warm and fuzzy feeling when he talks about sharing the pie or making others give up some of what they have for others "because they can afford it."

As the socialist said in California, the American people will take Socialims, they just won't take the label. The Have-Nots will always vote to benefit them with the least amount of effort.
 


I always voted in Ohio. I remember when voting in 2008.. they kept trying to give me an absentee ballot when I was standing there trying to vote. They didn't want me to vote. I assume because I was white and the two workers were black. Fortunately, an older black lady came up to me and took me over to a machine to vote. She was very nice and doing what she was tasked with doing. The other two I should have reported for voter issues. Funny thing is no one knew which way I planned to vote.. but being that I was a minority that morning when voting, I'm sure they knew. I was one of the few people wearing dress clothes (had to go to work after I voted) while others were in their PJs, or 'blue collar' type clothing.

Ohio will be an issue and recounts will happen. I did see my voting record after 2008. I voted for McCain, but my record shows I voted for Obama. In 1999, I registered as a Democrat. Still am registered as a Democrat at that. I didn't pick it, someone else did.
 
This whole campaign is about attacking each other including racism and class warfare which to me is not right at all. Both parties have no real vision where this country is heading.Talk is cheap!
 


Who is doing the racism? I haven't seen anything from the Romney side, I've seen Obama's side imply things though. Class warfare I will give you, Obama is very dividing by breaking groups into racial classes, referring to the lower/middle/working class. Hey, I'm working class myself.
 
Read an interesting article today, think it was in Slate, saying that whoever gets the presidency is going to enjoy great success. If we keep growing jobs at the rate we have been in the last year we will add 7.8 million jobs during the next presidents term. It also says that it raises the stakes exponentially because of this. Also the lower estimates that average around 8 million jobs takes into account the fiscal cliff becoming a reality. If there is a compromise on the cliff then they said it would be perfectly reasonable to add 12 millions jobs. Turns out Romney's claim to add that many jobs might get done with or without his help.
 


cough cough 47% cough cough
 
Romney is a Bishop in an organization that didnt let black people in until 1978, because they think black people are less pure souls. Which is odd, imagine a cardinal running for office and no one talks about it, or asks any questions about faith and leadership....

And the 47% thing... That is class warfare.
 
Its too bad college educated folks tend to vote democratic.....

And if we start posting videos like the one above no one really wins. Besides as we have gone over before Obama phone is a Republican (Bush) invention, also costs the taxpayers no money.
 


Which means what exactly outside of the sound bytes you've listened to? 47% of the people who rely on their gov't checks won't vote for someone who wants to change that. Do you mean 47% are all minorities? Do you think that is a racist remark?
Maybe class warfare? Well, considering the vast majority of people in that situation do vote that way, I don't see how a fact can be considered class warfare?
 


Except Grandparents, Military, Disabled, Poor

I guess if you think that our military doesnt take care of themselves.... because they are exempt from paying federal income taxes on their combat pay. So will combat soldiers vote for Obama because (And this is the exact quote)....

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax
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So again any soldier fits this bill. So do the elderly, and i believe they make up the most significant percentage of this 47%. That is most definitely class warfare. I dont know how else you would define it.
 
While I can see the argument, I think you're looking into it heavily to come to that conclusion.

If someone gave you a stat that said 47% of people don't pay Federal Taxes, on a high level you can easily say those people don't care what tax rates are, etc. since it doesn't effect them.

I don't think his comment was completely thought out and dissected to get each group, but it is what it. The point was made that a lot of people aren't paying Federal Taxes and many of them will vote for the person who keeps it that way. The number is much smaller realistically, but there is still some truth to the statement.
 


Christ, enough with the s-word. He didnt think that what he was saying was going to make it out of that room, what you saw was Romney's mating ritual where he woos potential money with rhetoric. He thought that by saying its you vs the 47% that pays no income tax he would get their vote. If he were to make the argument that I think you are trying to make... about what he REALLY meant to say. Then it would have had no impact. He needs that class warfare mentality of its us vs them.

 
Anyone read the initial reports from the UN Observers from developing countries? They're amazed at how our election process works because of the sheer amount of trust put into it since many States don't require ID.
 


lol, I doubt that. I wouldnt see why the election still worked fine prior to 2006.
 
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