"Okie Dokie, you wanna start something then? ok with me!"
See, it's dicks like you that ruin a perfectly good forum. If you want fights, go somewhere else. All that I'm doing is offering things from a point of view that no one else is looking from so that we can make this discussion more objective. And you go and turn it into some fight instead of a debate. Go frag yourself, you bandersnatch!
For your edification, the Northwood IS still a P4 core and WILL be labeled a P4. Just as the Katamai and Coppermine were BOTH labelled as P3s. Get your head out of your hiney and pay attention.
"Another thing is, your argument seems to have a lot of "i think"'s in it"
It doesn't have one single "I think" in it ANYWHERE. What were YOU reading? Idiot. Maybe you should THINK more yourself before you post.
"are you certain about what you're arguing? Because if you aren't then don't add your bit!"
Am I certain about the future? Oh, of course. Why I have my magical crystal ball right here and I can see everything perfectly clear, just as you all can with your mystical-magical crystal balls.
Bloody flircking schiznit!
What the hell kind of a stupid moron are you? Since none of here bloody work for Intel, AMD, Rambus, etc. five years from now, how the bloody hell would ANY of us know EXACTLY what will and won't happen?
All we can do is make educated guesses based on what information we have and how similar events have transpired in the past. There are NO guarantees when talking about the FUTURE.
Moron.
"This forum's for people who know what they're talking about"
Then what are YOU doing here? You've already proven you're slower than Alaskan jam.
I, on the other hand, just so happen to be a trained PC technician AND software engineer who works on scientific applications and has examined both Intel and AMD products, as well as the Alpha chip, for use with our software. And will shortly be working on putting SSE2 into our next products.
I'll admit, I've only put together around 10 systems in my lifetime, and done hardware debugging/upgrading on only about 30 systems. But I KNOW what I talk about.
Do you?
As sure as copper burns green, it doesn't sound like it.
"for me anyway, i have had a look around and here's the prices i found at my local stores (i'm in Australia):"
"So there, i am right about the price... For me anyway."
Too bad for you that your stores are ripping you off so badly. Go to Pricewatch.com. Compare the prices of PC800 RDRAM to PC2100 DDR SDRAM. They aren't very different. If you happen to go to stores that rip you off so badly, that's not my fault or problem.
And if you happen to be such a manipulated minority voice forced into using technology because of stores setting outlandish prices, then you have no room for debate here because your views do NOT represent the ACTUAL state of affairs.
Yes, there is a difference between DDR SDRAM and RDRAM prices, but it is small. And RDRAM IS dropping in price continually. Since we are looking at FUTURE trends, we cannot base our assumptions ENTIRELY on how things are TODAY.
Meanwhile DDR SDRAM has been used FAR longer than RDRAM. Or have you forgotten that video cards have been using it for years now? DDR is reaching it's maximum potential for the PC. This is why memory companies are already researching quad-rate SDRAM. Meanwhile RDRAM still has a LOT of room to grow.
Rambus sucks. Their business practices are very shady. But the RDRAM memory itself isn't.
Sure, in a P3 RDRAM looks like crap. Why? The P3 just wasn't designed for high memory bandwidth. DDR SDRAM doesn't look much better though. Why does it perform better? Not because of it's bandwidth. It's because of it's faster timing compared to single-rate SDRAM. And even then, it still sucks compared to what it should be.
We are talking about a memory which should move data TWICE as fast as SDRAM. Yet it's performance is on average only about 10% faster. Sometimes, it's not ANY faster. So why does it suck so badly to what it SHOULD be? Because the neither the P3 nor the Athlon were designed for high memory bandwidth.
Have we seen a high memory bandwidth system that has used both DDR SDRAM and RDRAM?
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
So how ANYONE can accurately compare the two, including myself, is pure GUESSWORK based on what information we do have about their theoretical capabilities.
And yes, people will continue to use SDRAM. It's cheap. People like cheap. If they didn't, Celerons wouldn't be so commonly used by OEMs.
Is SDRAM better than DDR SDRAM or RDRAM?
Hell no!
But it's cheap. So it'll last too. I never said that it wouldn't. Hell, I still have systems using EDO SIMMS at home.
"I think that SSE2 may catch on, perhaps... I hadn't heard about AMD taking hold of it"
NOW WHO IS THE ONE WHO SOUNDS LIKE "you've read a couple of reviews of the P4 or read Intel's site about SSE2 and gone crazy thinkin you know everything about it"?
Face it, you don't know squat about anything that you are talking about. Read up. Learn. And come back to talk when you actually KNOW things instead of make them up. Ignoramus!
"i didn't mean literally, but more... Socially... No one is going to buy it..."
What world do you live in? Maybe the socially conscious few will boycott it, but the MAJORITY of people won't give a flying grey hoot. Why? Because ALL that they care about is whatever the salesman tells them. After that, there are only two minorities: Those who buy things for socio-ethical reasons, and those who buy things for performance reasons (whether it be the best performance for their price, or just plain performance without concern for price.)
Face it, TheAudiophile: You don't have a bloody clue about what you talk about. You act like you know everything. In reality, your guesses are based on even less knowledge than imaginable.
Meanwhile, I remain educated on a variety of things. I make no guarantee that my predictions on the future are accurate. But it's pretty clear that compared to yours, ANYONE'S predictions on the future are more accurate than yours!
Grow up. Read. Imbibe. Learn. Cogitate. And THEN come back here and give a post with even a semblance of intelligence behind it.
Or, if you would like to stop judging other people and hold an OPEN forum WITHOUT your bias, then post here WITHOUT wrongly flaming people just because they don't happen to agree with you.
A FORUM is about open discussions between people who may not agree on everything, but can hold an INTELLECTUAL DEBATE about the topics and LEARN from one another.
Look the word up in a dictionary if you don't believe me.
And either way, GROW UP!
-Despite all my <font color=red>rage</font color=red>, I'm still just a <font color=orange>rat</font color=orange> in a <font color=white>cage</font color=white>.
But yeah DDR is going places, i just got a gut feeling...
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