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I got not one but two pinballs. I had saw that someone had listed a who
dunnit and a flintstones on ebay that were in like new condition
however the person had little to no pics and zero feedback. So i called
them to find out what was the story. Well this person bought these pins
8 years ago and put them in there rec room for the kids to play and the
kids only played them once and awhile. I asked them for more pics but
they could not provide them so i began asking questions. about all they
could tell me was yes it work and yes it was in like new condition.
They really had no clue to there value. So i took the chance and made
the 3 hour trip and boy was it worth it. Both machines were in
excellent condition and all orignal with matching boards. One of them
even still had the extra parts bag. The only thing i have to do is fix
a couple minor switch errors and replace the rubbers. Wow what a great
deal!!!
Ray
 
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Alright Ray! Good for you, man :) Score!

Twilight4u wrote:
> I got not one but two pinballs. I had saw that someone had listed a who
> dunnit and a flintstones on ebay that were in like new condition
> however the person had little to no pics and zero feedback. So i called
> them to find out what was the story. Well this person bought these pins
> 8 years ago and put them in there rec room for the kids to play and the
> kids only played them once and awhile. I asked them for more pics but
> they could not provide them so i began asking questions. about all they
> could tell me was yes it work and yes it was in like new condition.
> They really had no clue to there value. So i took the chance and made
> the 3 hour trip and boy was it worth it. Both machines were in
> excellent condition and all orignal with matching boards. One of them
> even still had the extra parts bag. The only thing i have to do is fix
> a couple minor switch errors and replace the rubbers. Wow what a great
> deal!!!
> Ray
>

--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com
 
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Twilight4u wrote:
> I got not one but two pinballs. I had saw that someone had listed a who
> dunnit and a flintstones on ebay that were in like new condition
> however the person had little to no pics and zero feedback. So i called
> them to find out what was the story. Well this person bought these pins
> 8 years ago and put them in there rec room for the kids to play and the
> kids only played them once and awhile. I asked them for more pics but
> they could not provide them so i began asking questions. about all they
> could tell me was yes it work and yes it was in like new condition.
> They really had no clue to there value. So i took the chance and made
> the 3 hour trip and boy was it worth it. Both machines were in
> excellent condition and all orignal with matching boards. One of them
> even still had the extra parts bag. The only thing i have to do is fix
> a couple minor switch errors and replace the rubbers. Wow what a great
> deal!!!
> Ray

Did you buy this outside of Ebay?
 
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Yes i did. I find alot of sellers just want to save on ebay fees and
the hassle of people asking questions
Ray
 
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Maybe its just me, but I think it cheats the honest bidders on ebay to ask a
seller to sell an auction offline after bids have been placed on an item
(and wrong of a seller to do so as well.) My policy has been that I will
end an auction early as long as there are no bid on the item, and once there
is a bid, the auction will run through its entirety.

Eric

"Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125106802.812383.91540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Yes i did. I find alot of sellers just want to save on ebay fees and
> the hassle of people asking questions
> Ray
>
 
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Eric wrote:

> I think it cheats the honest bidders on ebay to ask a
> seller to sell an auction offline after bids have been placed on an item
> (and wrong of a seller to do so as well.)

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but neither of the auctions in question
had reached the reserve price when they were ended, so none of the
bidders could have believed they were going to win with the bids they'd
placed. If the reserves had already been met, it would have been a
different story.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6203492341
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6202913464
 
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There was nothing "Slimmy" about the transaction. The seller got what
they wanted! and i got a good deal for going after what i wanted. End
of story
Ray
 
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who cares about ebay profits are they not rich enough!
They got there listing fee
 
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I disagree. If someone bids on an auction on ebay, they have an
expectaction that the auction will run to completion. They are essentially
"locking up" that money until the auction ends or they are outbid. During
that time, they could be using that money to buy other items but instead
have bid on that auction. If someone buys cancels their auction because of
an offer to sell outside of ebay (which of course is not allowed on ebay),
the bidders have not only lost the chance to win the auction, they also have
lost use of that tied up money and have nothing to show for it. They may
have passed on some other item because of the money locked up in another
auction.

I know auctions end early all the time and my rant won't stop it, but I
still think its lousy when this happens.

Eric


"Grojohn" <carniello@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> if both seller and buyer are happy, let it be...
>
 
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It's not just you. I also think it's a pretty slimy thing to do. Both on
the seller's part as well as the buyer's.

Herb Schanke

"Eric" <estrangeway@NOcharter.SPAMMERSnet> wrote in message
news:NN3Qe.4342$Yh6.2814@fe04.lga...
> Maybe its just me, but I think it cheats the honest bidders on ebay to ask
> a
> seller to sell an auction offline after bids have been placed on an item
> (and wrong of a seller to do so as well.) My policy has been that I will
> end an auction early as long as there are no bid on the item, and once
> there
> is a bid, the auction will run through its entirety.
>
> Eric
>
> "Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1125106802.812383.91540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Yes i did. I find alot of sellers just want to save on ebay fees and
>> the hassle of people asking questions
>> Ray
>>
>
>
 
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Ok, what did Ebay get out of the deal?? They brought you two together. The
seller agreed when listing on Ebay that they'd pay Ebay a percentage of the
sale. So the seller stiffed Ebay and you helped him do it. Plus by
enticing the seller to end the auction early, you kept other potential
buyers from the chance to win an auction that they had realistic
expectations would run until the stated ending time. Sounds SLIMY to me!

Herb Schanke

"Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125200372.459984.72100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> There was nothing "Slimmy" about the transaction. The seller got what
> they wanted! and i got a good deal for going after what i wanted. End
> of story
> Ray
>
 
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It's OK to steal from the rich?? I guess I was brought up differently.

Ebay DIDN'T get what the seller agreed to pay them for the service they
provided. Just because you CAN take advantage of a situation, doesn't mean
it OK to do it.

Herb Schanke

"Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125201918.434028.180420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> who cares about ebay profits are they not rich enough!
> They got there listing fee
>
 
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No thanks, I like the view from up here. : )

Herb Schanke

"Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125202719.246599.166900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Herb you need to get off your high horse.
>
 
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The E BAY police are now swarming the RGP. Just when I thought they
"cleaned up" the copyright crooks and took them off the streets, they
are back in force cracking down on the E BAY scofflaws. Today is my
lucky day because- I woke up, got out of bed, took a wiz, and reading
the RGP made me laugh. Thats more than some people can say. LIGHTEN UP
GUYS and have fun with this hobby! I am happy for Ray, and the seller
who got rid of two "unwanted" pins to a guy that really could enjoy
them. (maybe they were saved from the going to the dump)
 
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I was going to bid at least $1100 on the Flintstones and my freind was
going to put in a substancial bid on Who Dunnit. I already had an
initial bid on Flintstones. We are within an hour drive of these
machines. Not happy about what happened, but nothing I can do about
it. I think the seller lost out on making more money. Jeff
 
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Herb Schanke wrote:

> Ebay DIDN'T get what the seller agreed to pay them for the service they
> provided.

No eBay rules were broken when the seller ended the two auctions here.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html

If eBay wanted to prevent sales "off" eBay, it would prohibit a seller
from indicating that he is advertising the item for sale locally and
may pull the auction at any time. Ebay could also insist that, if a
listing is pulled for any reason, that the seller nevertheless will be
required to pay final value fees on the highest bid then in place. It
doesn't.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for potential bidders here since the
reserve prices on these two games hadn't even been met. One guy says
he was going to bid (probably snipe) $1,100 on the Flintstones. I
think it's fair for a seller to yank his auction if it hasn't met
reserve and there's more than 12 hours to go before the scheduled
ending (which eBay expressly allows). Snipers don't want to tip their
hands, of course, but if a thousand dollar item is still sitting at
$200 the day before the auction ends and the reserve price hasn't been
met, I can't blame a seller for accepting an offer that's near to its
market value. From a seller's perspective, there should be an
incentive for early bids to be placed in order to lessen his risk. For
snipers, the chance of an auction being canceled if it *hasn't* met the
reserve price provides this incentive.

I only buy on eBay, but I can understand the seller's behavior here.
If I'd wanted either of these two games, I would have bid them up to at
least 80 percent of my maximum to try to find the reserve price, then
sniped my maximum later. The seller could have still ended the auction
early, of course, but it would have been less likely to happen if he'd
known that his reserve price had already been met.

- Josh A.
 
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Just shows what a little bit of initiative and gumption can bring you - way
to go, enjoy your nrew toys :)

--
Art
"Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125101786.314254.300020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I got not one but two pinballs. I had saw that someone had listed a who
> dunnit and a flintstones on ebay that were in like new condition
> however the person had little to no pics and zero feedback. So i called
> them to find out what was the story. Well this person bought these pins
> 8 years ago and put them in there rec room for the kids to play and the
> kids only played them once and awhile. I asked them for more pics but
> they could not provide them so i began asking questions. about all they
> could tell me was yes it work and yes it was in like new condition.
> They really had no clue to there value. So i took the chance and made
> the 3 hour trip and boy was it worth it. Both machines were in
> excellent condition and all orignal with matching boards. One of them
> even still had the extra parts bag. The only thing i have to do is fix
> a couple minor switch errors and replace the rubbers. Wow what a great
> deal!!!
> Ray
>
 
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Why not let the auction run and if the reserve is met, the seller and buyer
are satisfied?

If the reserve is not met, the seller and buyer are satisfied. The seller
can then go offline with their sale.

Pulling an auction down early is bovine squeeze. I don't care if it's legal
or no action or whatever rationalization.

Time to hypothesize. Let's say it is a real auction. You come the day before
to preview an item. Then you come the day of the auction and sit around all
day waiting for the auction to get you your item. Then the bidding starts.
You bid along with others who are interested.

Then the seller steps up out of the crowd and says--"It's not for sale."

Now there is a winner for ya. <S>


Otto

CARGPB11

My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding




"Josh A." <josh489@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125250198.885169.172060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Herb Schanke wrote:
>
>> Ebay DIDN'T get what the seller agreed to pay them for the service they
>> provided.
>
> No eBay rules were broken when the seller ended the two auctions here.
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html
>
> If eBay wanted to prevent sales "off" eBay, it would prohibit a seller
> from indicating that he is advertising the item for sale locally and
> may pull the auction at any time. Ebay could also insist that, if a
> listing is pulled for any reason, that the seller nevertheless will be
> required to pay final value fees on the highest bid then in place. It
> doesn't.
>
> I have a hard time feeling sorry for potential bidders here since the
> reserve prices on these two games hadn't even been met. One guy says
> he was going to bid (probably snipe) $1,100 on the Flintstones. I
> think it's fair for a seller to yank his auction if it hasn't met
> reserve and there's more than 12 hours to go before the scheduled
> ending (which eBay expressly allows). Snipers don't want to tip their
> hands, of course, but if a thousand dollar item is still sitting at
> $200 the day before the auction ends and the reserve price hasn't been
> met, I can't blame a seller for accepting an offer that's near to its
> market value. From a seller's perspective, there should be an
> incentive for early bids to be placed in order to lessen his risk. For
> snipers, the chance of an auction being canceled if it *hasn't* met the
> reserve price provides this incentive.
>
> I only buy on eBay, but I can understand the seller's behavior here.
> If I'd wanted either of these two games, I would have bid them up to at
> least 80 percent of my maximum to try to find the reserve price, then
> sniped my maximum later. The seller could have still ended the auction
> early, of course, but it would have been less likely to happen if he'd
> known that his reserve price had already been met.
>
> - Josh A.
>
 
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the buyer here has no issues with sliminess - he made an offer and it was up
to the seller to decide what path to take - the obligation to continue a
listing on eBay is the seller's. You would be amazed at how many sellers,
when contacted with an offer that sounds good, will dump an auction in a
heartbeat and do the sale privately. By the same token, I have offered bids
of $150 on Fluke items that the seller got all huffy about, and then at the
end of the auction, my $55 snipe bid wins the item. Go figure.
I dont ever ask a seller to 'deal off ebay' - what I ask them to do is end
the first auction and relist it for me using my offering price as a buy it
noiw price. The fact that the seller prefers to just have me paypal my
offer is not my issue.

--
Art
"Herb Schanke" <hschanke@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> It's not just you. I also think it's a pretty slimy thing to do. Both on
> the seller's part as well as the buyer's.
>
> Herb Schanke
>
> "Eric" <estrangeway@NOcharter.SPAMMERSnet> wrote in message
> news:NN3Qe.4342$Yh6.2814@fe04.lga...
>> Maybe its just me, but I think it cheats the honest bidders on ebay to
>> ask a
>> seller to sell an auction offline after bids have been placed on an item
>> (and wrong of a seller to do so as well.) My policy has been that I will
>> end an auction early as long as there are no bid on the item, and once
>> there
>> is a bid, the auction will run through its entirety.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> "Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1125106802.812383.91540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Yes i did. I find alot of sellers just want to save on ebay fees and
>>> the hassle of people asking questions
>>> Ray
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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eBay got the listing fees. But I agree, the seller did deprive eBay of the
final value fees. Many people believe eBay to be so big that their
consciences do not operate with regard to ebay; sort of like in the old
days, people scamming the phone company 'because they are so big they will
never notice it''
Regardless, the issue of ethics is the sellers, not the buyer. By listing
the items, the seller entered into a contract with eBay that he broke.

--
Art
"Herb Schanke" <hschanke@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:uwaQe.1547$sP7.774@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> Ok, what did Ebay get out of the deal?? They brought you two together.
> The seller agreed when listing on Ebay that they'd pay Ebay a percentage
> of the sale. So the seller stiffed Ebay and you helped him do it. Plus
> by enticing the seller to end the auction early, you kept other potential
> buyers from the chance to win an auction that they had realistic
> expectations would run until the stated ending time. Sounds SLIMY to me!
>
> Herb Schanke
>
> "Twilight4u" <rtw334@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1125200372.459984.72100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> There was nothing "Slimmy" about the transaction. The seller got what
>> they wanted! and i got a good deal for going after what i wanted. End
>> of story
>> Ray
>>
>
>
 
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