Unreal Engine 4 Not For Current Platforms (Except Kepler)

[MarioJP]

Ask your friend what he paid for the game as well, console games costs more and that for less like described above. I rather pay some extra up front ending up in savings later!

That's what i been trying to tell people. Do people not know what "subsidize" mean? Cuz it working really well that its getting scary actually. These consoles manufactures are even starting to cut corners how they get built.

case in point.

Had a friend of my mom bring in a 360 saying that the 360 was "mysteriously scratching discs" so I did a google search on the matter. To my surprise he is not alone with this problem. Unfortunately because It is a "console" there is nothing i can do about it except if it has warranty and I do not want to deal with the xbox tech support. Yea that's passing on the "savings" for ya.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]Where are you buying a 4870 for new? How is comparing new to used a valid comparison? I can buy either console used for less than new.What console has sold without a controller? Every console comes with everything you need to play games. A PC without an OS is a completely useless paperweight.I didn't say that. I even gave an example of what I was talking about, and you still didn't understand. Not sure what else I can do for you. I didn't say the part itself performed better, I said the system will perform better.I don't know where you live. But here in America, the XBox 360 launched at $279, which is almost half of $500 by most peoples' math, and $320 less than the $600 PC estimate you gave.[/citation]

Why do people pay for Windows when M$ offers it for free? Just find a college student and have them give you a copy from M$ Dreamspark. There, free full copy of Windows. Or, just use an eval and ignore it when it says to get genuine. Both are legal.

The 4870 was a bad example. Get a 5750 instead. There are still new 5750s.

 

[kinggremlin]

That's what i been trying to tell people. Do people not know what "subsidize" mean? Cuz it working really well that its getting scary actually. These consoles manufactures are even starting to cut corners how they get built.

I don't know why you keep bringing this up. Nintendo has never sold any console at a loss, and neither MS or Sony release their consoles with the intention of losing money on every one they ever sell. Sony has been selling the PS3 for a profit since at least late 2010. The only reason it took that long after launch to break even was because of the Blu-ray drive. The XBox 360 which doesn't have one was estimated to be making MS $75 per console within a year and a half of release.

 

[captaincharisma]

Lol you fail.

$300 console = 720p gaming
$600 PC = 1080p gaming + everything else a PC does

How exactly does that make the console more bang for your buck? Because 1080p = ~2.25x the resolution of consoles, for about twice the amount of money, and you get a lot more flexibility with what you do. And don't start with the crap about "doesn't include OS" because that console price doesn't include all your controllers or any other peripherals you may desire for the console.

Historically, around launch, the console has offered better graphics for the money than PCs. After a few years, though, they do not, and no longer have the "bang for the buck" edge. What they do have is a lower cost of entry (if you ignore HDTV cost).

that "flexibility" you are bragging about so much is the downfall of the PC gaming market. considering in order to play the latest and greatest games a year from now with the best experience you will have to upgrade to a new GPU which now costs more than any of the game consoles out right now and that's a best case scenario. in order for you to play the latest and greatest games on a console you have to at least spend 50 bucks and do not have to worry about setting up controls, setting the game to a resolution that won't make the game choppy, making sure you have the latest drivers and software, and other non-user friendly crap like that. add to the fact that the selection of game types on a PC is limited to RPG's, FPS and RTS games because of the fact you need to use a keyboard and mouse

 

[MarioJP]

that "flexibility" you are bragging about so much is the downfall of the PC gaming market. considering in order to play the latest and greatest games a year from now with the best experience you will have to upgrade to a new GPU which now costs more than any of the game consoles out right now and that's a best case scenario. in order for you to play the latest and greatest games on a console you have to at least spend 50 bucks and do not have to worry about setting up controls, setting the game to a resolution that won't make the game choppy, making sure you have the latest drivers and software, and other non-user friendly crap like that. add to the fact that the selection of game types on a PC is limited to RPG's, FPS and RTS games because of the fact you need to use a keyboard and mouse

My gaming PC is 5 years and i have yet to upgrade anything and still play these "latest games" flying colors at "console settings" Even BF4 which blows away all the consoles that are out of date lol. I hardly had to configure anything too. Just download and click and play. Settings were already set on maximum. Intial cost 5 years ago was 1700 But my console friends keeps replacing their consoles for faulty hardware all the time.

So i guess it evens out and ease of use my a$@ss only when it you don't have to replace the 360 lol. Whether its scratching disc to just simply the xbox 360 dies.


With that being said.

How many 360 replacements does it take to replace your gaming PC during its lifespan

2 or is it 4??

 

[MarioJP]

How many people do you know who buy consoles and never buy extra controllers? Some sad, lonely people most likely. Read my post next time. I said "doesn't include all your controllers" not "doesn't include a controller". I guarantee you that more people buy extra controllers for their console than need to buy an OS for their build.

My point is simple: in these types of things, everyone minimizes the cost of the console to bare minimum while maximizing potential cost of the PC.

Actually thats a yes and no question. If you have a Full retail copy of windows All It takes is a activation away without having to re buy the os. Now if you buy a OEM technically the License says it can only be activated once on the computer you are going to build or known as the system builder OS which is a lot cheaper than retail.

Here is a loophole in that License agreement. You can still activate by phone by saying "my motherboard died" lol.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]that "flexibility" you are bragging about so much is the downfall of the PC gaming market. considering in order to play the latest and greatest games a year from now with the best experience you will have to upgrade to a new GPU which now costs more than any of the game consoles out right now and that's a best case scenario. in order for you to play the latest and greatest games on a console you have to at least spend 50 bucks and do not have to worry about setting up controls, setting the game to a resolution that won't make the game choppy, making sure you have the latest drivers and software, and other non-user friendly crap like that. add to the fact that the selection of game types on a PC is limited to RPG's, FPS and RTS games because of the fact you need to use a keyboard and mouse[/citation]

Downfall? There are more PC gamers than console gamers. The PC can use the same controllers as the consoles and is better than a console for any and every game. Also, you don't need to set a game up if you don't want to. They come with profiles setup automatically for your hardware, setting them up yourself is only if you want to customize it more. That's not even an option on a console. Having the latest drivers? Yeah sure, that's so difficult, isn't it? I didn't know that checking a website once or twice a year (most don't even do that, they just stick with whatever drivers they had when they got the computer) is a difficult thing to do.

Upgrading every year? If I had bought a 4870X2 four or five years ago, it would still be able to play all games at 1080p with maxed out settings today. AA/AF might not be able to be maxed out, but it could do some AA/AF at the least. It still has a lot of time left in it too. You only upgrade often if you're a die-hard, rich fan, or you get the bare minimum that will satisfy you every time something new comes out, in which case you can sell the old hardware for most of what you paid for it, maybe even all of it if you get lucky.

Setting a game to a resolution that won't make it choppy? That's just stupid. No game comes at a resolution that is causing stutter. None.

PC gaming is not hard at all. In fact, most gamers wouldn't have a clue as to how to do things like what you have said if they had to do them to play. You have no idea what you are talking about if you think that it is hard.

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]I had enough of this joker, when saying a thing like the "current" 5 years old consoles are having the best gfx out there its like saying black-white television is the bleeding edge in broadcasting - The only purpose that would serve is to appear as a total and utter moron stuck in the past.[/citation]

graphics as in what the system can push, or graphics takeing into account artstyle...

purely technical, pc wins hands down.
take art style into account, and even the wii is a contender.

most games now try to push a muddy "realistic" visuals, where as i prefer the fantasy look, and consoles get more of the art style i prefer.

 

[MarioJP]

Yeah I'm putting off a call to MS right now because it always takes like 30 minutes minimum to get them to activate the copy. They've never failed to do so, though (this is about the 8th reinstall of my win7 copy - same computer but different hardware configs).

I always use their automation thingy it works and its faster then speaking to a Rep. Frankly i always try to avoid the rep. Just gotta remember the number to press to skip the entire process LOL

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]BigMack70[/nom]Yeah I'm putting off a call to MS right now because it always takes like 30 minutes minimum to get them to activate the copy. They've never failed to do so, though (this is about the 8th reinstall of my win7 copy - same computer but different hardware configs).[/citation]

Why do you re-install that often? Changing CPU, hard drive, video card, RAM, and PSU don't need to have a re-install, so it seems a little odd. I'm pretty sure that you can get away without doing a re-install when you replace the motherboard too if you're clever.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]graphics as in what the system can push, or graphics takeing into account artstyle... purely technical, pc wins hands down. take art style into account, and even the wii is a contender. most games now try to push a muddy "realistic" visuals, where as i prefer the fantasy look, and consoles get more of the art style i prefer.[/citation]

Can't you just lower the quality on the PC to get that style that you like too? It would also mean that a weaker, cheaper video card is all that you would need to play rather than a high end setup that tries to make things as real as reasonably possible.

 

[theoneknownasnalyd]

What Epic doesn't want is a device that's as open as Android. "Android is anarchy," he added. "It's extremely hard to ship a game that actually works on a large number of Android devices, because there's so much variety and so much openness and a lack of cohesive certification process for applications. We do not want open as in Android -- that would be a disaster for the business."

Then explain Valve's progress with Steam/Source on Linux. Linux is even MORE fragmented than Android (something like 2000+ distributions and counting, versus 5 versions of the same OS), yet Valve is making progress. Left 4 Dead 2 currently launches under Ubuntu Linux using AMD's First Party drivers; Valve has been working with AMD (possibly NVIDIA) to improve their drivers in order to make such "anarchistic" platforms workable. Why Epic cannot work with fragmented platforms, like Linux, is beyond me since they released several games under Linux in the past (back before all the advances in hardware support). This is a perfect example of a dying publisher, one so lazy that they shun their PC gaming roots because it's "too hard".

 

[MarioJP]

What Epic doesn't want is a device that's as open as Android. "Android is anarchy," he added. "It's extremely hard to ship a game that actually works on a large number of Android devices, because there's so much variety and so much openness and a lack of cohesive certification process for applications. We do not want open as in Android -- that would be a disaster for the business."

Then explain Valve's progress with Steam/Source on Linux. Linux is even MORE fragmented than Android (something like 2000+ distributions and counting, versus 5 versions of the same OS), yet Valve is making progress. Left 4 Dead 2 currently launches under Ubuntu Linux using AMD's First Party drivers; Valve has been working with AMD (possibly NVIDIA) to improve their drivers in order to make such "anarchistic" platforms workable. Why Epic cannot work with fragmented platforms, like Linux, is beyond me since they released several games under Linux in the past (back before all the advances in hardware support). This is a perfect example of a dying publisher, one so lazy that they shun their PC gaming roots because it's "too hard".

Well actually you might want to hold that question just a bit. Their source engine really does need an upgrade badly. Don't get me wrong it looks nice and got a bit of an update. But it is time for an overhaul. The true testament is when valve rolls out a top notch game engine that can work on all platforms.

And back to my rant. Where is my HL3 and HL2 epsiode 3. I guess valve does not believe in 3's.

 

[DirectXtreme]

"When you look for the best graphics available in the whole game industry today, you look at Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, and those games are the best out there, bar none." - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You could build a PC with one of these bad boys (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=AMD+APU&x=0&y=0) that graphically outdoes both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Depending on what parts you choose, it should cost $300-$500.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]theoneknownasnalyd[/nom]Then explain Valve's progress with Steam/Source on Linux. Linux is even MORE fragmented than Android (something like 2000+ distributions and counting, versus 5 versions of the same OS), yet Valve is making progress. Left 4 Dead 2 currently launches under Ubuntu Linux using AMD's First Party drivers; Valve has been working with AMD (possibly NVIDIA) to improve their drivers in order to make such "anarchistic" platforms workable. Why Epic cannot work with fragmented platforms, like Linux, is beyond me since they released several games under Linux in the past (back before all the advances in hardware support). This is a perfect example of a dying publisher, one so lazy that they shun their PC gaming roots because it's "too hard".[/citation]

Androids problem is hardware fragmentation. Most of the different Linux distros are inter-compatible, but most of them run on the same hardware. Android has some vastly different GPUs and very different CPUs in it's support list and supporting them all well is not as simple as making a Steam for Linux. Linux isn't the problem, it's jsut the hardware.

 

[MarioJP]

That's what i been trying to tell people. Do people not know what "subsidize" mean? Cuz it working really well that its getting scary actually. These consoles manufactures are even starting to cut corners how they get built.

I don't know why you keep bringing this up. Nintendo has never sold any console at a loss, and neither MS or Sony release their consoles with the intention of losing money on every one they ever sell. Sony has been selling the PS3 for a profit since at least late 2010. The only reason it took that long after launch to break even was because of the Blu-ray drive. The XBox 360 which doesn't have one was estimated to be making MS $75 per console within a year and a half of release.

Witnessing first hand when I had to take apart of the PS3 Due to Blue blinking LED blinking at me couple of time which was due to the "bluray drive Failing" after i finally have looked it up. Console was not that old too. And as for 360 that randomly scratches Disc leaving a perfect ring on the outer edge of the disc. Plus you being down ranked says otherwise. I mean how much more evidence do you need. Quite frankly I will no longer be accepting consoles to fix.

Just don't have the time and it ain't worth if if These manufactures don't label the parts or have to Ebay. I am done. Next console that breaks just gonna say. Is it under warranty. If not then bye. MY PC gives me joy of entertainment hassle free. Oh cuz I build it with high quality components. Keyword HIGH QUALITY and still cheaper than a Mac lol

Sony Never sold at a loss??. Tell that to Sony that is laying off their working as part of the "reshaping" plan. Nintendo I put a maybe on it. As for the 360. MS can AFFORD the loss lol. Heck they did well on their profit quarterly earnings. So much so that you can now buy a 360 for $99 with kinnect when you signup. M$ can subsidize all they want. They are good at locking their users in lol.

 

[kinggremlin]

How many people do you know who buy consoles and never buy extra controllers? Some sad, lonely people most likely. Read my post next time. I said "doesn't include all your controllers" not "doesn't include a controller". I guarantee you that more people buy extra controllers for their console than need to buy an OS for their build.

Doesn't matter how many they choose to buy. Only one is required for the console to be a functional gaming system. As for the lonely people comment. Most of us have an internet connection this day in age. How many controllers are required to play online? The last part is only true because it's much easier to steal Windows than it is a controller. If you could just download a controller off the internet without paying for it, few people would pay.

My point is simple: in these types of things, everyone minimizes the cost of the console to bare minimum while maximizing potential cost of the PC.

Your point is wrong, because I am included in everyone, and I am not doing what you are claiming. How exactly is requiring that each system be functionally usable as a gaming system with nothing additional an unreasonable criteria?

On an unrelated note, wasn't the Xbox 360 core edition $300 at launch, not $280? And that came with no hard drive, a wired instead of wireless controller, and no HD cables. So you either got a substandard experience with your console, or you forked out extra cash beyond $300.

There was a typo on wikipedia. They have it listed as $279.99 for some reason. I'll grant you the HD cable since that would be required for comparable graphics, but the hard drive was not a required component and did nothing to improve the graphic capabilities of the system. Even with the $20 bump in system price, I'm pretty sure the HD cable wasn't over $150 which would put the console in the near $500 range that the original poster mentioned. So all of this is a pointless waste of space.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]Doesn't matter how many they choose to buy. Only one is required for the console to be a functional gaming system. As for the lonely people comment. Most of us have an internet connection this day in age. How many controllers are required to play online? The last part is only true because it's much easier to steal Windows than it is a controller. If you could just download a controller off the internet without paying for it, few people would pay.Your point is wrong, because I am included in everyone, and I am not doing what you are claiming. How exactly is requiring that each system be functionally usable as a gaming system with nothing additional an unreasonable criteria?There was a typo on wikipedia. They have it listed as $279.99 for some reason. I'll grant you the HD cable since that would be required for comparable graphics, but the hard drive was not a required component and did nothing to improve the graphic capabilities of the system. Even with the $20 bump in system price, I'm pretty sure the HD cable wasn't over $150 which would put the console in the near $500 range that the original poster mentioned. So all of this is a pointless waste of space.[/citation]

Xbox 360 online play means more money for Xbox Live, so be it more controllers or Live, you're spending more money.

Windows can be had for free legally if you're not stupid. Dreamspark gives fully activated Windows away for free and eval versions can be had for free.

Storage is necessary for plenty of things. Saved game data anyone?

 

[captaincharisma]

My gaming PC is 5 years and i have yet to upgrade anything and still play these "latest games" flying colors at "console settings" Even BF4 which blows away all the consoles that are out of date lol. I hardly had to configure anything too. Just download and click and play. Settings were already set on maximum. Intial cost 5 years ago was 1700 But my console friends keeps replacing their consoles for faulty hardware all the time.

So i guess it evens out and ease of use my a$@ss only when it you don't have to replace the 360 lol. Whether its scratching disc to just simply the xbox 360 dies.


With that being said.

How many 360 replacements does it take to replace your gaming PC during its lifespan

2 or is it 4??

i wouldn't know anything about that. my PS3 has been running fine for 3+ years

 

[MarioJP]

i wouldn't know anything about that. my PS3 has been running fine for 3+ years

At least PS3 last longer than the 360. It is built like a tank and i wouldn't jinks it either lol.

 

[kinggremlin]

Xbox 360 online play means more money for Xbox Live, so be it more controllers or Live, you're spending more money.

I don't own an XBox 360. Online play is free for the PS3. Regardless, you still seem to not understand that neither more than one controller or XBox Live is required to play games on the system. If we are not requiring the PC to accomodate "onsite" multiplayer, why is the console required to?

You just complained about "everyone" tacking on extras to the PC total, and then you go and do the same thing you just complained about for the console.

Windows can be had for free legally if you're not stupid. Dreamspark gives fully activated Windows away for free and eval versions can be had for free.

I'm neither a student or educator, so I do not qualify. Nor would most people. Having graduated from college over 10 years ago, and having a real job, actually paying for the products I use isn't a big deal to me.

Storage is necessary for plenty of things. Saved game data anyone?

It's been 5 years since any version of the 360 was sold without storage. So the current $200 price still stands plus the cost of an HD cable.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]I don't own an XBox 360. Online play is free for the PS3. Regardless, you still seem to not understand that neither more than one controller or XBox Live is required to play games on the system. If we are not requiring the PC to accomodate "onsite" multiplayer, why is the console required to? You just complained about "everyone" tacking on extras to the PC total, and then you go and do the same thing you just complained about for the console.I'm neither a student or educator, so I do not qualify. Nor would most people. Having graduated from college over 10 years ago, and having a real job, actually paying for the products I use isn't a big deal to me.It's been 5 years since any version of the 360 was sold without storage. So the current $200 price still stands plus the cost of an HD cable.[/citation]

I never said that Xbox Live or extra controllers were required for single player (or two player if it comes with two controllers, I've seen some that do). We were talking about the Xbox 360, so I didn't mention the PS3. The 360 isn't free to play online, so that the PS3 can if the Xbox 360 can't means the Xbox 360 has a problem.

You don't need to be in the school system, just know someone who is. The point was that Windows doesn't need to be paid for and that was also brought up, so I offered a solution.

The Xbox 360 didn't have storage in the $300 version when it first came out, which is what we were just talknig about. Stop changing the subject every time you start losing.

 

[rohitbaran]

Epic stinks. From a hardcore PC developer, first they went to console and now they aren't making efforts to make their game engine viable on all platforms. Considering that the 'Next Generation' consoles will have AMD GPU, I wonder why current AMD GPUs in desktop can't run UE4. I smell lazy and a shady nVidia deal.

 

[bigdog44]

I think everyone is taking the 4th paragraph out of context. The 3rd paragraph sets up the 4th paragraph and is itself talking about Consoles. The 4th paragraph starts and ends referencing consoles also, so I think the intended meaning is that XB360 and PS3 have the best graphics compared to the Wii (Duh).
I agree with the Android = Anarchy statement.
Don't worry about the reference to kepler, because if the next generation of consoles (XB720 and PS4 only) will both be based upon current hardware and they will suffice, then it makes sense that current highend and near-future mid tier AMD GPU's will also suffice.

And BTW all of us should be ashamed for reading about Tims' Weeney ; ) ...sorry i couldnt't resist

 

[MarioJP]

I could of sworn its Tim Sweenie. Well could be worst. I used to work with a guy that had a last named Weiner