Update on 4890...

[L1qu1d]

thats a spicy meatball, homemade or take out ?

haha

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

nVidia makes an offer only their partners can refuse, the GT240 heheh

 

[spathotan]

Like I already said.....GTX 275 is there to compete with the 4890. The 4890 isnt going to touch the GTX 285.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And the 4870 has 480 shaders. Which is right? Which makes the most sense? A card that gets 10% more? or a card that gets 25% more? They already have a competitor for the G260whateveritscalledtoday edition, so.....

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Besides, nVidia hasnt name changed in over a week, so....

 

[Nica Guy]

well the speed of 285 GTX isn't the thing that looks appealing, its the price starting at 299$



where have u seen a 285 at that price? i looked and the cheapest i found is $330 and thats after rebate... i dont take rebates into cost because u take too long to get them... so the cheapest is $350 in US...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, heres a lil news on the 4890. First, it isnt just a speed bump http://gpucafe.com/2009/03/rumor-rv770-refresh-is-radeon-hd-4900/
And anyone doubting its for real, heres proof it is
http://www.pcisig.com/developers/compliance_program/integrators_list/pcie_2.0
Last link, look about 3/4 the way down the page for the listing.
So, it looks like the 285s stay at the top may be shortlived

 

[spathotan]

OK, heres a lil news on the 4890. First, it isnt just a speed bump http://gpucafe.com/2009/03/rumor-rv770-refresh-is-radeon-hd-4900/
And anyone doubting its for real, heres proof it is
http://www.pcisig.com/developers/compliance_program/integrators_list/pcie_2.0
Last link, look about 3/4 the way down the page for the listing.
So, it looks like the 285s stay at the top may be shortlived

How does a listing for a RV790 on a compliance database dictate that the GTX 285 is beaten?

As far as your first link goes, its just more of the same thats already been posted.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

The update changes a few things on the first link, as they said it isnt just a speed bump. 200Mhz on the core, plus tweaks, its putting in the 285 range, and again, is confirmed by another site.
No details yet, but at 950 core, plus a few tweaks, itll certainly be close to, if not exceed the 285. Ill add I said may, but again Ill add, why would they do this if it didnt? Answer that first. Its the only thing that makes sense, is for them to have top card, otherwise, whats the point?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Its like, why is there a 216? Or a 295, when nVidia deplores x2 designs?

 

[L1qu1d]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12641&Itemid=1

 

[spathotan]

The update changes a few things on the first link, as they said it isnt just a speed bump. 200Mhz on the core, plus tweaks, its putting in the 285 range, and again, is confirmed by another site.
No details yet, but at 950 core, plus a few tweaks, itll certainly be close to, if not exceed the 285. Ill add I said may, but again Ill add, why would they do this if it didnt? Answer that first. Its the only thing that makes sense, is for them to have top card, otherwise, whats the point?

Its not necessarily and always about having the top card. ATI has nothing that can at least come close to competing with the GTX 285...on the single card arena. While the 4870X2 is a king, it still suffers from bad drivers and well known crossfire shenanigans. ATI knows this, and consumers in that market know this. For people that want extreme enthusiast level performance without Crossfire or SLi, Nvidia is their only option, ATI wants to throw their name in that hat with this 4890, rekindle those X1900XTX days. I just dont expect it to beat the GTX 285.

At least thats my take on it.

 

[L1qu1d]

We're a couple of days or weeks away from the preview benchmarks, lets just wait and see. And judging from the sapphire listing it looks like its 850 mhz and not a 200 mhz bump.

 

[jennyh]

850 core and 975 memory is pretty poor. My old 512mb 4870 overclocks to 820/970 without a voltage change already - I just checked it on AMD Overdrive.

I just find it very hard to believe that the best ATI can do in a year with the r700 is 100mhz on the core running at a higher voltage.

 

[L1qu1d]

Lets make this clear, its a revision card that has been used for both the 4850s and 4870s. Honestly how much more can you expect from this card?

I would say they did a decent job for a revision, look at the other Nvidia revisions which were mainly die shrinks and thats about it. Only 1 that was a decent upgrade was the 285 GTX which changed 8 pin to 6 pin and also consisted of a hefty overclock. If that much of an overclock at 648 mhz brought 10% increase, think about what the card was topped off at 750 mhz what it can bring to the table

So don't think that the 4890 is a revolutionary card, its just a temp until the next gen.

 

[rawsteel]

900 core would be much better, I was hoping at least that. Its still not final though, these might be wrong and totaly misleading numbers. But I will be disapointed at anything below 900 core and 1000(4000) memory.

 

[rawsteel]

we still dont know if they made any structural changes to the core (like more shaders or texture units or ROPs).

if these numbers are true then its about 12-13% clock increase with mild 8% memory increase. That should give about 10% faster than 4870 1GB. Which is right under GTX280. If Ati is going to sell that for $300 they will lose.

Lets hope these are not real numbers or they change before launch

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

But, is this a 48xx at all, or a 49xx? There could be 2 cards. Lets wait n see.

 

[rescawen]

I am disappointed at the 850 mhz core because faster memory doesn't really help so much. I was expecting a 900 - 950 core and factory oced edition 1 GB close to 1 ghz

We'll see if i buy a factory oced his ice-q4++ maybe squeeze a 1000 out of it

 

[Nica Guy]

well, if the clock increases are that low and its not exactly the same card as the 4870, you can probably get an extra 70/150 overclocking it...

however, if its exactly the same as an OC 4870 it wont be able to overclock and we could see artifacts at stock clocks :S

i just hope at least the price is right...

 

[rescawen]

260 euros listed but may change ...

ATI usually has last minute surprises, so please don't break my heart.

 

[gamerk316]

Not looking good. Maybe ATI is milking an old arch...nah, couldn't be...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

This ones up in the air. I said we have a few weeks to go, should know something soon tho, a few more hints, and itll be figured out

 

[4745454b]

An extra 100MHz? I'll try not to spend it all at once...

 

[L1qu1d]

I wonder if my equal to the 275 GTX estimates were predicted right ( well i said 1 295 GTX GPU, so technically 1 275 )