Build Advice Upgrade PC (mainly GPU/CPU) fom 2020 for about ~1.100€

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Hi!

I would very much appreciate your input as I am looking to upgrade my current Pc that I built in 2020 (with Upgrade from 16 to 32 RAM in 2022 and additional HDD and SSD in 2023).

Approximate Purchase Date: No Rush, so if it is sensible to wait I am very willing to do so for up to half a year, but of course I'd prefer to play sooner than later.

Budget Range: soft limit ~1k€, unless there is a good reason

System Usage from Most to Least Important (est. distrubution in %):
- 20% Running FoundryVVT (Hosting locally, manage and filter through 1TB of files for TTRPG Sessions (hence the storage upgrade))
- 70% Gaming (see below)
- 10% Some Excel/Word Stuff (very basic, tracking spending, etc.), Browsing, Movie/YT while gaming

About Gaming:
I don't play FPS or Racing games, mostly I tend to play Strategy (Old World, Baldurs Gate 3) or Cozy Games (Stardew Valley MC (without shaders, playing with modpack on LAN with gf with my PC being the server)) aswell as a selection of non demanding random indie-esque/smaller Games (Slay the Spire, Another Crabs Treasure).
Sometimes I do want to play more demanding games (Dragons Dogma 2, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk) and I would like to run them at medium to high settings, with a "guranteed" framerate of at least 60, ideally of course more.

Are you buying a monitor: No, I am happy with my current setup and playing at FullHD with 144hz.

Parts to Upgrade: I feel that only the GPU, maybe the CPU need an upgrade.
Depending on how AM4 is looking over the next years I thought it might make sense to upgrade it now once for the next 4-5 years and get a new Motherbord in the next cycle.

Do you need to buy OS: No.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No preference, cautious about used e. g. ebay or small/unknown sites

Location: Germany, Hamburg

Parts Preferences: AMD, mostly because I've had good experience and feel that it might be benefical to have CPU and GPU from the same company, but willing to be educated, especially if it saves money.

Overclocking: I always say maybe but never do it

Multiple GPUs: From what I understand this isn't really done? Tho I will have my still function GPU

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 144hz (Main one)

Additional Comments: As I mostly play less demanding games and only on occasion want to play more demanding ones, I don't want to spend too much money, but at the same time I really do not want to upgrade more often then every 4-5years, so I am fine to "futureproof" to a degree. From my research I am currently gravitating to a Radeon RX9070XT and either Ryzen 7 5800X or Ryzen 7 5700X3D, but I am not set on them.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading:
I slowly feel the age of my GPU showing, with games like Dragons Dogma 2, BG3 or even Cyberpunk not running smoothly (sub 60FPS) at mid settings and therefore I slowly feel locked out of trying new-ish games like EldenRing.
Also it feels like my GPU is crashing out randomly every couple of months when doing things as tabbing out of games etc. (Black Screen, Driver re-install needed after forced restart).


Thank you!
 
Something like this....

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (€231.86 @ Caseking)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler (€0.00)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€0.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 9070 16 GB Video Card (€699.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For €0.00)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€129.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (€0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Total: €1060.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-02 19:59 CEST+0200
 
There is always a limiting factor in games.
CPU or gpu.
Try this simple test:
Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

If you feel you are graphics limited, a gpu upgrade is in order.
It will likely also require a psu upgrade; 550w seems too small.
There is no advantage to having an amd gpu running on a amd processor. Nvidia works fine.
Tom's is in the process of upgrading their gpu hierarchy chart.
Here is the current status:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

I suspect that at 1080P you may be more cpu limited than you think.
Here are the processor upgrades that your motherboard can support:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK-max/support#cpu
5800X would be a decent low cost upgrade.
The X3D processors are very good for gaming, but they suffer a bit when doing other work.
 
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I second Hellfire's suggestion, on the 5700x3d. I went with a different GPU sku, and a different PSU, for a bit less money.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (€231.86 @ Caseking)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler (€0.00)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€0.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Video Card: XFX Quicksilver OC Radeon RX 9070 16 GB Video Card (€679.89 @ Computeruniverse)
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For €0.00)
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 12 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€119.80 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (€0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Total: €1031.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-02 20:17 CEST+0200
 
I would not sleep on the 5900XT if you can find it for a good price. Unlike its not "T" namesake, this is a 16C/32T CPU and is only ~3% slower than the more expensive 5950X. The X3D version of the 5800 is basically unobtainium.

The above suggestions for the graphics and power solutions are solidly repeatable.
 
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Hi!

I would very much appreciate your input as I am looking to upgrade my current Pc that I built in 2020 (with Upgrade from 16 to 32 RAM in 2022 and additional HDD and SSD in 2023).

Approximate Purchase Date: No Rush, so if it is sensible to wait I am very willing to do so for up to half a year, but of course I'd prefer to play sooner than later.

Budget Range: soft limit ~1k€, unless there is a good reason

System Usage from Most to Least Important (est. distrubution in %):
- 20% Running FoundryVVT (Hosting locally, manage and filter through 1TB of files for TTRPG Sessions (hence the storage upgrade))
- 70% Gaming (see below)
- 10% Some Excel/Word Stuff (very basic, tracking spending, etc.), Browsing, Movie/YT while gaming

About Gaming:
I don't play FPS or Racing games, mostly I tend to play Strategy (Old World, Baldurs Gate 3) or Cozy Games (Stardew Valley MC (without shaders, playing with modpack on LAN with gf with my PC being the server)) aswell as a selection of non demanding random indie-esque/smaller Games (Slay the Spire, Another Crabs Treasure).
Sometimes I do want to play more demanding games (Dragons Dogma 2, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk) and I would like to run them at medium to high settings, with a "guranteed" framerate of at least 60, ideally of course more.

Are you buying a monitor: No, I am happy with my current setup and playing at FullHD with 144hz.

Parts to Upgrade: I feel that only the GPU, maybe the CPU need an upgrade.
Depending on how AM4 is looking over the next years I thought it might make sense to upgrade it now once for the next 4-5 years and get a new Motherbord in the next cycle.

Do you need to buy OS: No.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No preference, cautious about used e. g. ebay or small/unknown sites

Location: Germany, Hamburg

Parts Preferences: AMD, mostly because I've had good experience and feel that it might be benefical to have CPU and GPU from the same company, but willing to be educated, especially if it saves money.

Overclocking: I always say maybe but never do it

Multiple GPUs: From what I understand this isn't really done? Tho I will have my still function GPU

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 144hz (Main one)

Additional Comments: As I mostly play less demanding games and only on occasion want to play more demanding ones, I don't want to spend too much money, but at the same time I really do not want to upgrade more often then every 4-5years, so I am fine to "futureproof" to a degree. From my research I am currently gravitating to a Radeon RX9070XT and either Ryzen 7 5800X or Ryzen 7 5700X3D, but I am not set on them.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading:
I slowly feel the age of my GPU showing, with games like Dragons Dogma 2, BG3 or even Cyberpunk not running smoothly (sub 60FPS) at mid settings and therefore I slowly feel locked out of trying new-ish games like EldenRing.
Also it feels like my GPU is crashing out randomly every couple of months when doing things as tabbing out of games etc. (Black Screen, Driver re-install needed after forced restart).


Thank you!
AMD 9060 XT 16GB <--- due for release within the next two months.

https://www.techpowerup.com/334617/...radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-8-gb-skus-in-south-korea

https://geizhals.de/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-gold-750w-atx-3-0-ps-tpd-0750fnfage-h-a2931493.html
Thermaltake ToughPower GF A3 750W 80+ Gold ATX 3.0 €92,77

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-5600-100-000000927-a2697460.html
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 €90,89

or ...

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-100-100000926wof-a2709092.html
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X €144,08

or ...

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-100-000001503-a3094295.html
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D €236,49

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There is always a limiting factor in games.
CPU or gpu.
Try this simple test:
Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

If you feel you are graphics limited, a gpu upgrade is in order.
It will likely also require a psu upgrade; 550w seems too small.
There is no advantage to having an amd gpu running on a amd processor. Nvidia works fine.
Tom's is in the process of upgrading their gpu hierarchy chart.
Here is the current status:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

I suspect that at 1080P you may be more cpu limited than you think.
Here are the processor upgrades that your motherboard can support:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK-max/support#cpu
5800X would be a decent low cost upgrade.
The X3D processors are very good for gaming, but they suffer a bit when doing other work.
that is good to know! I'll test it out
 
I would not sleep on the 5900XT if you can find it for a good price. Unlike its not "T" namesake, this is a 16C/32T CPU and is only ~3% slower than the more expensive 5950X. The X3D version of the 5800 is basically unobtainium.

The above suggestions for the graphics and power solutions are solidly repeatable.
Any reason to pick the 5900XT over the 5700X3D?
 
That really seems to be a release soonTM, maybe I'll wait and see how the prices look and if they impact the 9070 a bit so I can decide based on that, thank you!
 
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Something like this....

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (€231.86 @ Caseking)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler (€0.00)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€0.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 9070 16 GB Video Card (€699.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For €0.00)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€129.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (€0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Total: €1060.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-02 19:59 CEST+0200
Was there any specific reason you picked the non XT version besides budget? Or would you say it would not be worth it?
 
I second Hellfire's suggestion, on the 5700x3d. I went with a different GPU sku, and a different PSU, for a bit less money.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (€231.86 @ Caseking)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler (€0.00)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€0.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Samsung 870 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For €0.00)
Video Card: XFX Quicksilver OC Radeon RX 9070 16 GB Video Card (€679.89 @ Computeruniverse)
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For €0.00)
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 12 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€119.80 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Curved Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (€0.00)
Monitor: Dell P2419H 23.8" 1920 x 1080 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For €0.00)
Total: €1031.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-02 20:17 CEST+0200
I've got the same question here, if there is any specific reason you picked the non XT version besides budget? Or would you say it would not be worth it rn?
 
Go for the 5700X3D as you were inclined; this is essentially the best AM4 CPU for gaming you can buy now.
It will yield better 1% lows than any other non X3D (5800X3D aside) and is readily available.

For cooling you have plenty of options, something like a Thermalright PA-120 is more than enough for sub $40.
As for the GPU, if the price-gap is significant enough you're fine with a 9070 over the XT as well @ that res.
 
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