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I think Intel have a hand above AMD when it comes to the value processor market because of this:

Ok, so one of my clients has got an old generic PIII motherboard (w/ PIII 700meg) their father-in-law picked up on the cheap on his way through Asia. It doesn't have any sort of brandname that I've even heard of before.. Anyhow, it is outdated, needs replacing. Heck, I can't even seem to be able get it to initialize read from CD-ROM at startup, the BIOS is so freaking shoddy. So I was going to replace it with a Sempron budget chip from AMD, to keep the cost down, to make it a little more "future-proof" than it is at the moment. as they have no requirement for performance and just want to get it onto XP - you know the whole story.

But of course, you can't because AMD doesn't do any budget Sempron chips on the 939 pin variety!!! and you have to either spend NZD$250 straight up on the lowest end Athlon 64, or buy an Intel!!

So why doesn't AMD make value chips available for their only still living platform??[/i]
 
AM2 isn't due for awhile, it has been delayed most likely because AMD can't perfect 65nm. However, 939 will be around until 2007 and AMD isn't gay about chipsets and has never required anything more than a BIOS update for new processors.
 
I think Intel have a hand above AMD when it comes to the value processor market because of this:

Ok, so one of my clients has got an old generic PIII motherboard (w/ PIII 700meg) their father-in-law picked up on the cheap on his way through Asia. It doesn't have any sort of brandname that I've even heard of before.. Anyhow, it is outdated, needs replacing. Heck, I can't even seem to be able get it to initialize read from CD-ROM at startup, the BIOS is so freaking shoddy. So I was going to replace it with a Sempron budget chip from AMD, to keep the cost down, to make it a little more "future-proof" than it is at the moment. as they have no requirement for performance and just want to get it onto XP - you know the whole story.

But of course, you can't because AMD doesn't do any budget Sempron chips on the 939 pin variety!!! and you have to either spend NZD$250 straight up on the lowest end Athlon 64, or buy an Intel!!

So why doesn't AMD make value chips available for their only still living platform??[/i]
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Budget CPU and motherboard are not designed for being futureproof.. They are simply consumable. Get a cheap board, a cheap Sempron and install it. If it last more than one year, then you'll be OK.. socket 939 is going to be phased out in 2007 anyway, so even if you get a 939 board now, you may not be able to find a 939 at good price to use or you'll rather use a newer socket budget board and CPU..
 
what i meant by "future-proof" is that buy a sempron now, and when it came to upgrade time, just drop in any kind of A64, voila. but hey i guess you're right, s939 is as good as dead already.
 
A bit of info for you. Sis says AM2 chips and boards will be available before the end of June.
Gate length has nothing to do with AM2, since it will debute with 90 nano chips, and 65 nanos wont ship before the end of the year.
The new mobos will support sempron chips.
 
I sold my socket 754 CPU and board to a friend when I got my 939 system. He's still using it and it is still performing up to par for everything. A CPU don't turn bad at the time a new one is announced. They can still be running years after years, without any problem.

I would not hesitate to get any budget Sempron with any budget board anytime. Because those who want budget usually don't mind about performance and won't upgrade until really necessary. And that mean that new board, new cpu will be available and cost less than one to upgrade the older board..
 
in addition to that, people fail to realize that intel isnt any better with upgradeability. if your client will need to upgrade, he will need to buy a new intel mobo, as intel releases a new chipset with every new processor, so just cause the socket stays the same, doesnt mean much...
 
939 doesn't die till 2007, and there already a boatload of chips for it
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Then, that will be the same situation than now.. who will want to upgrade a dead platform when a new one is available..

I've been in the computer since the 8088 and 6502 processor.. and I still have to see something that is futureproof ...
 
Well, I'll tell you the rest of their system for laughs:

192MB SDRAM (1x 128MB PC133, 1x 64MB PC100)
1.48GB HDD (who cares what brand)
Pentium III 700MHz Socket A on a slot-A adaptor
Generic, literally no-brand, motherboard (seems like the manufacturer is too ashamed to own up to making it)
The voltage controls for this board are so ridiculously tacky, you can set it at 1.3-2V and it will virtually work on any.

It's running either Win 98 or 2000, with the useless onboard graphics its too hard to tell.
 
Yah, I used to walk away from budget oriented clients (the cheapos) when I had my consulting firm. Nowadays when one tries to say hello I just jump in a cab & say "to the airport please".
 
Well nearly everyone I've done work for seems to want the impossible done for under $300. are you talking about as in the cheapo system parts that need RMAing all the time or what?
 
But of course, you can't because AMD doesn't do any budget Sempron chips on the 939 pin variety!!! and you have to either spend NZD$250 straight up on the lowest end Athlon 64, or buy an Intel!
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When my Computer died in September2005 i decided to go for the : ACAP route.
Asrock MB : 33€ (intergrated audio / video / sata)
Sempron 2600 (Socket A/462) : 52€
Ram PQI 512MB : 35€ (not no name, but not Corsair)
(ATM in France there are even cheaper "Packs" out there)

While the performance arent stellar, they are fine "waiting for the next Gen".

You can ALWAYS recycle old computers (just need a cool case/box).
My friends Athlon 1GHZ (runs WoW just fine) will end up as a living-room console emulator.

I prefer having to build a "whole new comp" when i upgrade, than just change the cpu.
I know when i change my SocketA, it will become a fanless FTP server for 24/7 e-mule/torrent.

But Yeah, AMD is really bad for those that just want to "upgrade by changing CPU".
 
But of course, you can't because AMD doesn't do any budget Sempron chips on the 939 pin variety!!! and you have to either spend NZD$250 straight up on the lowest end Athlon 64, or buy an Intel!
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When my Computer died in September2005 i decided to go for the : ACAP route.
Asrock MB : 33€ (intergrated audio / video / sata)
Sempron 2600 (Socket A/462) : 52€
Ram PQI 512MB : 35€ (not no name, but not Corsair)
(ATM in France there are even cheaper "Packs" out there)

While the performance arent stellar, they are fine "waiting for the next Gen".

You can ALWAYS recycle old computers (just need a cool case/box).
My friends Athlon 1GHZ (runs WoW just fine) will end up as a living-room console emulator.

I prefer having to build a "whole new comp" when i upgrade, than just change the cpu.
I know when i change my SocketA, it will become a fanless FTP server for 24/7 e-mule/torrent.

But Yeah, AMD is really bad for those that just want to "upgrade by changing CPU".

I don't think so. If you bought a 939 mobo when it first came out, you have a crapload of CPU's from a lot of different categories to choose from. Also, it doesn't phase out until 2007 and with NO chipset changes unlike LGA775 so you have to give credit where it is due. They have everything from low end A64's to dual core opterons to FX gaming processors.
 
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