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I really liked Windows 8, I thought it was bold and innovative. It also made boot times way faster than 7. Upgrading from Vista was a huge improvement but upgrading from 7 was still significant.

There are things I like about 10 better than 11, but with Raptor Lake I'm sticking with 11. 10 support ends in 2 years.
 
USAFRet said:
A LARGE part of this is there is no real impetus to move from 10 to 11.

When 10 was released, it was a great relief for many to get off the 8/8.1 problem.

With 11, it is so similar to 10, there is no real issue.


I'd wager the majority of WIn 11 installs are on systems bought with it, in the last 2 years..
Of my 5x house systems, 2 are Win 11, 3 on Win 10.
The 2x Win 11 boxes started as 11, the Surface laptop came from the store.
The other 3 Win10 systems...there is no real hurry to change, even though all 3 are Win 11 capable.
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similar? I disagree. I think by design, windows 11 is WORSE than windows 10.
Having to make more clicks for the same stuff and still trying to hide important stuff inside metro menus and submenus.. and make things harder for professionals.

So yes, it is worse.
Not to mention the lies about "oh, this will be a windows 11 exclusive" just to do a total flip minutes later "lol we joking, win10 gets it too!"

And the cycle continues..

Windows XP good, Vista bad.
Windows 7 good, Windows 8 bad.
Windows 10 good, Windows 11 bad.
 
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rluker5 said:
I really liked Windows 8, I thought it was bold and innovative. It also made boot times way faster than 7. Upgrading from Vista was a huge improvement but upgrading from 7 was still significant.

There are things I like about 10 better than 11, but with Raptor Lake I'm sticking with 11. 10 support ends in 2 years.
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The updated Windows 8 (not the release version). was decent. Removed most of the grievances of windows 8 overhaul.
 
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Wonder why...

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The TPM requirement from Microsoft for Windows 11 was like talking a stick and drawing a line in the sand. As long as I paid for my license for windows 11 it is installed on non TPM computers with very little work. Almost 3 years with no glitches.

I hated it on install but I hate change, so that's more on me than 11 being bad.

We still run Windows 7
Windows 10
and getting the itch to make a XP 32bit for retro games.
 
I installed windows 11 on a couple machines and other than wsl2 & hyper-v being better I've found most other things are the same or in the case of the taskbar and right click menu substantially worse. There's a registry setting to get the right click menu back but the taskbar isn't great. It's gotten alot better and maybe in a year or two will be about as good as the old one... but releasing windows with a broken taskbar was stupid beyond belief. And not letting me revert to the working taskbar... - WTF. It's probably the most important UI element in windows and they replaced it with something not even remotely finished or feature comparable. I don't know what sort of QA and approval process it had to go through but honestly some self-reflection is in order lol. I'm sure it'll be a good taskbar eventually (it's pretty usable now), but everybody had to know it wasn't good enough when windows 11 was first released and they did it anyways.
 
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It's simply filled with ads and tools I'll never use. I don't want an AI copilot or Office 365, thanks very much, or any of the ads in the start menu and elsewhere. All of this just slows things down for no benefits to me whatsoever.

On my main PC, I run Linux and of I really need Windows for compatibility, I have a machine with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, which has most of the ads and annoying stuff removed out-of-the-box, so it's even better than stock Win 10.
 
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I upgraded to Windoze 11 only after they gave me back my taskbar labels. That was a hill I was prpeared to die on. I think Windoze 11 looks better than 10, but its adoption is slow because when it first came out it was half baked and had too many issues. The first issue is the TPM requirement. Windoze 11 runs just fine without TPM. As well, the sign-in account requirement. That was a really stupid thing to do. I put my microsoft account on my windows 11 PC, and later I decide to sell it....... ummmm... with my microsoft account, because its required? Ya know, Microsoft, all it takes is a little bit of thinking. Thank god there is a way to bypass the microsoft account requirement. I think most of the other issues besides those 2 are fixed with 23H2 now. That said, there is no practical benefit to upgrade from 10 to 11, for 99.9999999999999999999999999% of users. Windoze 11 will start seeing a bigger influx in adoption in 2025 once support for 10 ends
 
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Wonder why...

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The funny thing, their backpeddling on that on 6th gen CPU's. In the end it was just an excuse to force people to buy new machines with 8th gen or newer CPU's.... it literally never actually was about TPM.... and now that's been hacked anyway hahaha.
 
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The funny thing, their backpeddling on that on 6th gen CPU's. In the end it was just an excuse to force people to buy new machines with 8th gen or newer CPU's.... it literally never actually was about TPM.... and now that's been hacked anyway hahaha.
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What does Microsoft get out of people buying new hardware?

And even if they did, the number of people who would buy a new PC, just to get Windows 11 is tiny.
 
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I love change. What I do not like is pointless changes and rolling back of features that I use regularly, and then having to work around roadblocks put in my way to get to those features or not ever having access.
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I'm so "scared of change".... I even changed the OS type to Linux with MXL..... so much for that gaslighting tactic clueless agents of change keep trying to use.... and somehow it just keeps coming back.

BTW Dolphin is the best file manager in existence so far.
 
USAFRet said:
What does Microsoft get out of people buying new hardware?
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Oh multiple things:
  • Hastening UEFI install counts over "legacy" as many OEM's increasingly just leave the latter out, good for M$ long term which has a monopoly on the keys and can if it wants to simply close the tap at any point. The only thing a control freaks loves more than control is even more control.
  • Volume license sales as corporations are heavily incentivized to just chuck out almost all current hardware to stay compliant
  • Less pressure to keep supporting older hardware which is the only point where it's partially understandable but they went WAY overboard this time.
  • What is good for OEM's is indirectly good for M$, and more sales is very good for OEM's. It's a parasitic relationship in many ways.
  • Starting with win12 I won't be be surprised if at some point they try to softly force people to buy AI related hardware given they threats that almost everything in it will be tied to AI in some way.... the results of which will flood back to them via telemetry. Win12 might even be technically free but you will end up paying for it with your power bill and hardware wear... while being flooded with irrelevant to you ads. The usual excuse will be trotted out once again "your hardware is outdated and insecure".....<OffTopic comment redacted by Moderator>(I really think some genius is going to pull something like this at some point, it's getting wild out there) or sometcohing who knows.
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And even if they did, the number of people who would buy a new PC, just to get Windows 11 is tiny.
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True but probably just a case of they tried and did not get the desired result. They got away with so much from the win10 launch.... they simply remixed that and tried again... I'm still surprised they got as far as they did but people in general are short sighted which causes stupid life choices I guess. Win12 is gonna be fun for all the wrong reasons.
 
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tamalero said:
similar? I disagree. I think by design, windows 11 is WORSE than windows 10.
Having to make more clicks for the same stuff and still trying to hide important stuff inside metro menus and submenus.. and make things harder for professionals.

So yes, it is worse.
Not to mention the lies about "oh, this will be a windows 11 exclusive" just to do a total flip minutes later "lol we joking, win10 gets it too!"

And the cycle continues..

Windows XP good, Vista bad.
Windows 7 good, Windows 8 bad.
Windows 10 good, Windows 11 bad.
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Hide important stuff in menus for profesionals????? If you are a profesional you dont use menus, you use search function for the thing you want, it is a lot faster then menu navigation no matter what windows you use, for example wanna initialize a disk simple search "format and create partitions" in start menu or on the magnifying glass in the taskbar or how profesionals do faster "windows key + S" and boom in 2 seconds you are in the right place and so on, i stoped using menus since windows 8, searching is a lot faster.
I agree with the right click change, but there are 3rd party apps or registry tweaks for that. But i love multiple tab terminal adn explorer that is a god blessing for me specially bcuz i have lots folder locations opened in the same time.
 
eye4bear said:
Personally, I CAN'T upgrade to Windows 11. Neither my PC at the office nor my Windows 10 laptop at home qualify to update. Both work just fine and I am sure could run Windows 11 just fine, but it appears the PC makers got MS to build in some arbitrary hardware requirements. As we all learned when MS accidentally sent out an update awhile back that allowed PCs that didn't "qualify" to upgrade and guess what, they all ran just fine, thus proving the requirements are mostly BS to increase new PC sales. Basically I will get Windows 11 only when one of these two PCs die or reach EOL for Windows 10.
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Same here, my 4790k runs even Starfield on 1440p high preset just fine (average 45fps on average, no stuttering even in big cities where its 30-35fps).

I will also replace it when win10 or PC itself dies, hopefully by that time someone will come up with reliable "windows 11 debloater" which will remove all useless nonsense.
 
Count me as one of those random scrubs who hasn't changed to Windows 11 yet. I haven't seen it offer anything over Windows 10 that I care about, and using my Windows 7 license to upgrade to Windows 10 was a huge boon - I'm sure that's a large reason there's so many Windows 10 machines out there, otherwise the end of life of Windows 7 and 8 would probably go how XP did. An operating system is also something that a user starts with for a long time compared to hardware - one might upgrade GPUs every two years but be on the same OS install for several.
Oh... And the most complicated game (in terms of graphics, CPU power, etc) that I play with any sort of regulatory? Titan Quest, originally came out in 2006. I doubt any of the game-oriented features will really matter there.

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The requirement to login is what puts me off.
I feel MS is getting more greedy in the data collection area and frankly I don't see any reason to play along.
Apart from that, it is a zero value upgrade.
You can work, play and do whatever on windows 10 just fine.
 
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Dont want ads and dont want AI.
Dont want to be forced to have an online account just to use my computer OS.

After Windows 10 I might just move to a version of Linux.

Owning my Steam Deck has opened my eyes to how light and flexible Linux can be.
 
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USAFRet said:
A LARGE part of this is there is no real impetus to move from 10 to 11.

When 10 was released, it was a great relief for many to get off the 8/8.1 problem.

With 11, it is so similar to 10, there is no real issue.


I'd wager the majority of WIn 11 installs are on systems bought with it, in the last 2 years..
Of my 5x house systems, 2 are Win 11, 3 on Win 10.
The 2x Win 11 boxes started as 11, the Surface laptop came from the store.
The other 3 Win10 systems...there is no real hurry to change, even though all 3 are Win 11 capable.
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I only went to Windows 11 for Directstorage (if games ever implement it) and AutoHDR (when I can afford a nice enough monitor a few years from now).
 
"People don't like change"

Windows 10 had ~55% adoption rate by year 2. People are fine with change when it makes sense or brings improvements. Windows 11 changes things just to change them, making working in the operating system take more time due to nonsensical changes in inputs and behaviors of the OS. Top that off with keeping a significant segment of users out of even having the option due to the hardware requirements and you're really going to pump the brakes on anyone even trying it.

Windows 8 was also a significant driver in pushing people to Windows 10. That was another OS misstep by MS that never worked that well and left people scrambling for any replacement. You're not going to see a significant shift towards Windows 11 until after 2025 when they sunset Windows 10.
 
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