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Well doh! Add a hardware requirement that basically prevents most of the existing machines from updating to the new version of the OS is really going to slow things down. Windows 10 works perfectly fine for most people and the changes Win 11 provide just feel like cosmetic changes, why upgrade? I'm betting there's going to be a ton of people who won't be upgrading when Win 10 end of support occurs. Having to buy a new computer just to run Win 11 is kind of a hard sell.

I've got 10+ computers in my house and only 3 of them meet the Win 11 requirement. Fortunately, most of the remaining computers are doing jobs that can be easily handled by Linux. Once Win 10 end of support occurs I'll be installing MX Linux on those remaining machines. Heck, I've installed Linux on my main system and only run Windows in a VM for games that won't work under Linux (yet), TurboTax and Affinity Photo (I really dislike Gimp!).
 
ThomasKinsley said:
None of my hardware is allowed to run Windows 11. I could bypass the restrictions, but Microsoft warns that they have the right to cut off updates to 'obsolete' hardware at any time. I purchased a very capable desktop with the intent of running it until it slows down, and it's nowhere near slow. I'm not going to purchase a new desktop just to run an updated OS. I finally got to try Windows 11 out yesterday on someone else's laptop. I have to admit it looks shiny, but beyond the veneer, it's still Windows 10 under the hood.
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If you're running a Kaby Lake, which tops out at quad core, or older it's a stretch to call your system very capable unless you only surf the internet and use notepad.
 
Can run Windows 10 out the door. Can also run Windows 11 with very little work 🤔
i7-3770 gaming -----2023?
This Intel CPU can run 905 of the top 1000 games -----So 5 games No Go




Can run Windows 10 out the door. Can also run Windows 11 with very little work 🤔
i7 2600 gaming-----2023?
This Intel CPU can run 849 of the top 1000 games----- So okay now were down 51 games no go



Is Athlon 3000G good for gaming-----2023? I have no Idea if 10 or 11 play nice this far back.
This AMD CPU can run 585 of the top 1000 games Now this CPU should get the YOUR TO OLD speech and move to newer hardware.

Personally If window 10 or 11 never came out I was still fine with Windows 7.

So if your on 10 now with older parts know when EOL comes in 2025 if you need to or forced to bump up to Windows 11, maybe a program forces you to need Windows 11 IDK but my point is when that time comes with very little work it can be done.

The TPM not a big deal.
The Microsoft account sign in and make an account. At this point an annoyance also can be worked around.
You can again with some work lean out all the crap you don't have in 10 that 11 throws in there.

It's Windows 12 that has me worried.

Anyone remember going from windows 98 to XP. At the time the windows 98 machines were ok but when XP came out so did the faster P4 CPU's and on AMD's side the Barton XP CPU's

XP really meant a whole new system Parts and OS.

What will windows 12 bring if Microsoft already cut the legs off what windows 11 officially supports.
 
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JamesJones44 said:
I would happily jump to 11 if they would address some of the issues around Hyper-V, but 2 years later there are still tons of open issues on the performance of Hyper-V with Windows 11 that don't exist in Windows 10.
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What issues are you experiencing? I run Hyper-V on W11 Pro at home with a few Linux VMs and a Windows VMs. Haven't had any issues with them in any way, and find it quite stable.
 
spongiemaster said:
If you're running a Kaby Lake, which tops out at quad core, or older it's a stretch to call your system very capable unless you only surf the internet and use notepad.
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I meant it was very capable at the time of purchase. It was built as a premium office rig. RAM was cheap and the CPU was meant to be future proofed for 10 years or more. Everything still works just fine, except for Microsoft deciding the rig is obsolete. I hadn't taken that into account. Now if I build I think I will go for cheaper components and more frequent upgrades.
 
USAFRet said:
A LARGE part of this is there is no real impetus to move from 10 to 11.
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and actually reasons NOT to upgrade. (as if someone just learned windows 10 they will not want to re-learn win11 since changed a lot)

Only reasons I might of upgraded was: direct storage (we've seen how far thats been so far...) & the native android app...but its locked to amazon store and not play store. (so nope)
 
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Things I need in my OS:
  • Fast animations
  • Fast file management
  • Stability
  • A good scheduler that is updated to new hardware
  • Good drivers
  • High Information Density
  • Less clicking around
  • Modern Audio/Video Codecs
  • Ability to move & resize taskbar.
  • Ability to make essential UX customizations without admin access and registry hacking
  • Ability to make minor UX customizations without admin access and registry hacking.
  • Ability to open app launcher without precise mouse movements
  • Ability to see vital information at a glance
Things I absolutely do not need to be provided at an OS level:
  • A slightly changed notepad app
  • A slightly changed paint app
  • Most apps, in general.
  • CRT-styled clipped corners in Edge, or anywhere else
  • Clippy, Cortana, Copilot etc
  • Invasive data-tracking AI
  • Invasive data-tracking everything else
  • Ads (This also includes most integrations of Bing, MSN, Skype One Drive, etc)
  • Bloat
  • "The Cloud"
  • "Subscription Services"
  • "Software as a Service"
  • "Hardware as a Service"
  • Always-Online predictive typing that we just sortof have to trust isn't a keylogger, we promise.
  • A laggy start menu that waits for web results to load before showing me my files.
  • Full screen unclosable PC-takeovers demanding I switch my browser to edge
  • Forced Updates / Restarts
  • A bunch of minor aesthetic things changed to slightly uglier versions, "Just because"
  • Real-Time virus scanning that can't be disabled and will delete things without asking or notifying the user
  • Any other feature or trick that removes my control and ownership of my computer/data/property, and hands it over to anybody who isn't me.
 
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Giroro said:
Things I need in my OS:
  • Fast animations
  • Fast file management
  • Stability
  • A good scheduler that is updated to new hardware
  • Good drivers
  • High Information Density
  • Less clicking around
  • Modern Audio/Video Codecs
  • Ability to move & resize taskbar.
  • Ability to make essential UX customizations without admin access and registry hacking
  • Ability to make minor UX customizations without admin access and registry hacking.
  • Ability to open app launcher without precise mouse movements
  • Ability to see vital information at a glance
Things I absolutely do not need to be provided at an OS level:
  • A slightly changed notepad app
  • A slightly changed paint app
  • Most apps, in general.
  • CRT-styled clipped corners in Edge, or anywhere else
  • Clippy, Cortana, Copilot etc
  • Invasive data-tracking AI
  • Invasive data-tracking everything else
  • Ads (This also includes most integrations of Bing, MSN, Skype One Drive, etc)
  • Bloat
  • "The Cloud"
  • "Subscription Services"
  • "Software as a Service"
  • "Hardware as a Service"
  • Always-Online predictive typing that we just sortof have to trust isn't a keylogger, we promise.
  • A laggy start menu that waits for web results to load before showing me my files.
  • Full screen unclosable PC-takeovers demanding I switch my browser to edge
  • Forced Updates / Restarts
  • A bunch of minor aesthetic things changed to slightly uglier versions, "Just because"
  • Real-Time virus scanning that can't be disabled and will delete things without asking or notifying the user
  • Any other feature or trick that removes my control and ownership of my computer/data/property, and hands it over to anybody who isn't me.
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But come on, get with the times you luddite. We should be happy the great Multi-National Tech Overlords have deigned to grace us with their superior knowledge and godlike ability. How could we lowly peasants know more about what we need and how we live our lives then the great and mighty lords of all things.
 
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USAFRet said:
What does Microsoft get out of people buying new hardware?

And even if they did, the number of people who would buy a new PC, just to get Windows 11 is tiny.
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OEM sales, most people do not build a computer and instead buy a Dell / HP / IBM / Asus / etc. And that computer will have Windows 11 installed by default, which the OEM paid MS a small fee for. Just like the UI redesign was to create more spaces for ads to be displayed, again a fee is being paid to MS for that ad. Just look at the Windows 7 Aero UI layout, it's nice and sleek with very little wasted space, meaning nowhere for ads to be displayed. Windows 10 tried to "fix" that problem but third party folks made it possible to just bypass the whole issue. With Windows 12 they tried even harder to create large empty spaces for ads to be put in front of the users eyeballs.
 
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Dragos Manea said:
Hide important stuff in menus for profesionals????? If you are a profesional you dont use menus, you use search function for the thing you want, it is a lot faster then menu navigation no matter what windows you use, for example wanna initialize a disk simple search "format and create partitions" in start menu or on the magnifying glass in the taskbar or how profesionals do faster "windows key + S" and boom in 2 seconds you are in the right place and so on, i stoped using menus since windows 8, searching is a lot faster.
I agree with the right click change, but there are 3rd party apps or registry tweaks for that. But i love multiple tab terminal adn explorer that is a god blessing for me specially bcuz i have lots folder locations opened in the same time.
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search function sends you to the metro menus lmao.
Not for the proper functional underlying older menus.
 
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Order 66 said:
I only went to Windows 11 for Directstorage (if games ever implement it) and AutoHDR (when I can afford a nice enough monitor a few years from now).
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ironically, direcstorage is already out in Windows 10 and 11 with Ratchet and Clank Rift apart AND Forspoken.

So again.. no upgrade downgrade neccesary.
 
Truthfully I'm actually glad for the TPM requirement, but not for actually using it.

A new rule has appeared and it that told me I NEED TO UPGRADE! 😳

I gotta get right on that now! 🤓

I might still be using a 7700k if that strange suggestion didn't suddenly appear...
 
spongiemaster said:
The "newest" CPU W11 doesn't officially support is 7th gen, which is 7 years old and no longer supported by Intel. That's not exactly "absurdly new." With workarounds, you can still install W11 on 7th gen or older.
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Compared to previous generations it is because the same kind of hardware jump as in the past ceased to exist at around the 2nd gen. The gaps are longer than they were before but M$ keeps on trucking as if they are not.

The only major drain on resources is the "optimization" you cannot disable which requires more RAM and an SSD.... plop those in and you are golden..... the CPU itself as long as it's not a bottom end model has effectively ceased to matter for most use cases. This I say typing on a 2nd gen workhorse running win10 that shows no signs of becoming a problem..... especially since I used revOS to strip the bloat.

It does not need to be supported by the OEM.... it just needs to still function properly. It's a total fallacy that everyone replaces all their hardware in 5 year cycles the same way most people don't upgrade their graphics cards every one or two years.... hell I am still running crt's on my machines as secondaries because it would be a waste of money to buy new monitors to replace them. Most people run a hodgepodge of old parts unless they have the habit of buying cheap soon to be obsolete one's.

As the proverb goes, buying cheap is actually buying expensive you just don't realize it.
 
sadsteve said:
Well doh! Add a hardware requirement that basically prevents most of the existing machines from updating to the new version of the OS is really going to slow things down. Windows 10 works perfectly fine for most people and the changes Win 11 provide just feel like cosmetic changes, why upgrade? I'm betting there's going to be a ton of people who won't be upgrading when Win 10 end of support occurs. Having to buy a new computer just to run Win 11 is kind of a hard sell.

I've got 10+ computers in my house and only 3 of them meet the Win 11 requirement. Fortunately, most of the remaining computers are doing jobs that can be easily handled by Linux. Once Win 10 end of support occurs I'll be installing MX Linux on those remaining machines. Heck, I've installed Linux on my main system and only run Windows in a VM for games that won't work under Linux (yet), TurboTax and Affinity Photo (I really dislike Gimp!).
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Here is the thing..... M$ has an always repeating pattern... the year before they OEL an OS they start patching it to run slower.

Knowing this and that it's better to learn new patterns early I also already permanently switched to MXL this year. I do still have win10 running on another drive though for in case I really need it for something but it's never going to get win12 or win11 unless someone finally perfects reviOS and even then it's still going to be a secondary OS.

Luckelly since Debian12 almost all the wine bugs seem solved at least for now, everything mostly just works with a few tweaks. I even saw that some people run Starfield faster on Linux than on Windows.
 
I have to be honest that I've had less issues with Windows 11 than 10. I hate the Start Menu but StartAllBack restores a Windows 7 or 10 Start Menu and updates explorer to look like the aforementioned versions again. That coupled with WUT5 makes it perfect.

Windows 11 isn't going anywhere and more and more features are coming to 11 that won't be back ported to 10 so people might as well get used to it and find what works for them to make it fit their style.

Only a matter of time before software stops supporting older Windows, Plex for example won't work on Windows 7 anymore.
 
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