X800PRO faster than X800XL

TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 15, 2005

The thing about it is that Game/Kinney would then retort with the "AMR isn't here yet" (although he touted SLI since he heard about it of course).

I'd love to see your rig with another X800 (even if I needed to bring mine all the way out to the valley 😎 ).

BTW, you remember when we first notice the connector before SLI's announcement. I almost got fooled by the 'engineering data cable' excuse. :lol:

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eden · Apr 15, 2005

LOL, I don't quite remember that connector thing. Care to remind me more on that?

And yes it would be sweet to see what the X800s can do "AMRd". I wonder if ATi will have a method as effective as nVidia's with the most recent drivers. Damn that April Fool article had me salivating.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 15, 2005

The thing is the X8series is faster than the GF6800 series, and the GF6800 series also has the benifit of HDR. The question is what you value most.

However for UT2K4 there definitely isn't that benifit.

I don't expect to ever convince/convert game/kinney, but sometimes you just have to counter some statements just to try and bring a level of balance, that does exist in the market.

Given the right reasons/situation I'd recommend most of the cards from either maker.

I'd like too see those 110nm cards from nV hit the market, but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. I think that will shift some more buying zone arround, especially the plain x800.

Anywhoo, I'm just a little dissapointed I missed out on the chance to buy FartCry at Stapples for $10 because only after like the 3rd day of the sale did I think, well it would be handy for benching for now and later.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 15, 2005

LOL, I don't quite remember that connector thing. Care to remind me more on that?

Here's the old thread;

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=404760#404760" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=404760#404760</A>

I think this was during your time away from the forum, around the time or just after Entium was an issue.

Funny looking at that thinking hey, what's that, correctly guessing what it was, then getting our hopes dashed by ComputerBase. LOL! Damn you review sites! :lol:

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pauldh · Apr 15, 2005

I'd buy D3 again(bought and returned it) for $10 just for Benching. Farcry I enjoy even now.

I agree the X series is generally faster(espeically in my games), and i speak up only to try and have a fairer picture painted. It's hard to allow some noob to get fooled by Games one-sided-ness. All in all, I am excited about pricing now. X800XL PCI-e for $289, and a BBA Retail AGP for $319 is a good buy. Also, 128MB X700pro for $146 sure isn't bad. 6600GT is good in both forms, while 256-bit 9800 pro's are now under $150. I'd like to see the 256MB GDDR3 X800's cheaper and out in AGP, but the 128MB ones are actually "findable" for $199 now. SLI, while shaping up nicely, is so darn expensive. Two 6800GT's perform well, but they cost $473 more than a X800XL, or $318 more than a X850XT. That's just hard to swallow. I'd be curious how AMR will work as a X800XL and X850XT are cheaper than two 6800GT's. I never imagined that the more powerful card would/could render more than half of the checkers. I'm embarrassed I missed that logic when it first came out that two different cards could work together. Yet in the end, both solutions are out of this family mans means as an immediate solution. But with ATI, a second card down the road looks like a better likelyhood than finding an identical GF6. Shoot X800XL now with anything later, is a strong possibility and within many peoples means over time. But who know if finding a matching GF6, same brand, updating bios, how about ram on the card, is going to be easy if purchased 1 year apart.

It's looking to be a fun summer in graphics cards. Hope we see more than paper launches.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 15, 2005

I intend on adding the X800/XL I buy to the R530 simply for an e-peni$ extension :evil:

before sending it to a friend (like every other card it seems [juat got back the PCI AIW over X-mas]).

It's looking to be a fun summer in graphics cards. Hope we see more than paper launches.

I'd settle for a paper launch now, I just want them to make sure and give realistic ETAs not the crap we got last summer. 😡

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pauldh · Apr 15, 2005

As far as the X850XT, we both agree it'll go toe to toe against a 6800U

Backtracking here, but wanted to ask you. Do you really think our 6800U's are toe to toe with the X850XT? I don't. Sure, there is SM3, and SLI in PCi-e, but performance wise, I see the X850XT as superior.

Pricing even doesn't help the 6800U too much. In AGP $429 isn't bad, but 6800GT is $339 and X800XL is $319. Not to mention, X800XT is $426. X850XTpe at $546 is quite a bit higher, but there certainly are plenty of high end cards to consider besides/over a 6800U. Going by todays price watch prices, I wouldn't buy an AGP or PCI-e 6800U, even though I am pretty happy with mine.

In PCI-e, SLi isn't worth that much to me. You need matching cards. So buying a second 1 year down the road isn't a sure success. And now, at $489 a pop, that's a rediculous price when X850XT is $444 and X800XL is $289. Sure the gains are growing for high end SLI, but sheesh, the price makes it exotic, not practical. And unlike Kinney, SLI potential, and SM3ness isn't worth the $90+ premium for a 6800GT PCI-e over the X800XL.

Basically, there are so many good cards from both companies, each with a set of strengths and weaknessess. But When I spend an addtional $50-100 on a card, I expect more performance, not just HDR demo capabilities. I could care less on brand, just give me more bang for my buck.

I see X800XT and 6800U as about equal. And in AGP they are priced the same. In PCI-e, I see X850XT as a little above 6800U and priced $45 cheaper. NV has SM3 and fast SLi for the rich. But in single cards, ATI does seem to allow higher playable settings in most games for the same $$$.

Oh well, just my take on things. Maybe the tiny dissapointments in 6800U performance for me have me a little down on the GF6 series. I expected 1280x1024 4X/8X in farcry and NFSU2, and have to settle for 2XAA in both. Also, SCCT, while not my game, wows me on eye candy, but leaves me feeling that my top of the line SM3 NV card is too wimpy for future HDR and soft shadows.

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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

boy you are quite the little liberal arent you
well whatever, but conservative thought like stronachs is the way of the future (ie America's way of thinking).. not tree hugging.. sorry dude.

you can rip into her by using all these slurs "daddys company" blah blah blah that makes you sound liek a pissant
you yourself said you are helped out by your parents wealth.. so dont keep telling me all this kettle black bullsh!t man.

and taxes reduced (not as much as some would like but it's wouldn't have near the influence as any shift in global markets so it's a moot point).

Right. Whatever. ITS MOOT! Dont cut taxes its a moot point! LOL... sure
just an excuse

if your liberal gov't has served canada so well, why does the USA blow you out of the water?

you guys have more natural resources, and just as much capability to be as powerful/influencial and rich as us.
you choose not too.
you choose liberal socialist scum to run your nation, thats why. get some tree CUTTERS and less tree huggers and you might be something.

i WANT canada to be something. you are our neighbors.. but nothing will wise you up apparantly

i think some ppl connect anti-conservatism, secularist thought with being anti-american. so be american? HOW DARE YOU TRAITOR! just reject those religous fanatical americans and their money making ways!

Yes unadjusted GDP will show overall the economy is large, but you're not picking the right figure as the Chinese economy doesn't have the same metrics, looking on that site you chose and see their properly wighted/adjusted figures which will give you a better picture.

its a totally fair assessment.

or is it not a fair assessment because you dont want it to be so true, or have such variance between the USA and the rest.
thats not a question.

An you forget that your current account and trade deficits (unhampered by a lower dollar even) plus federal deficit financing are probably going to kill the goose that layed the golden egg.

sure, and the rest of the world doesnt even come close.. so keep these predictions coming.. it doenst amount to squat.

You are in the waining years of US dominance,

You are smoking some of that bunk canadian weed again arent you.
waning (spelling corrected)?

you mean the current President of the USA who is spreading democracy, proving canada and europe wrong that elections could be held?
the one whose actions has now encouraged drastic changes in lebanon and other nations ie afghanistan?

whatever.
now proceed to BushBash instead of admit how right the man turned out to be. typical anti-american BS.
President Bush believed that those people COULD become free, could grow into their own form of democracies.. and he was right, at least so far.
He was totally right, its the only and best long term way to end terrorism as well as we can.
Money, freedom, education. Its going to give them something else to live for in life other than killing people that they are brainwashed into thinking are the spawn of satan.

but China is growing in leaps and bounds, and that's largely thanks to you guys.

Whats wrong with that? Do you want to hold down chinese people? Racist.
Guess the liberal came out and admitted he DOES like to hold down people for his own gain.

I for one think the USA will ALWAYS be able to compete and possibly dominate as long as we do not become like Europe and Canada.
Keep the labor unions down, and keep the tree huggers in concentration camps and we'll be fine.
Its the conservative nature of America that made us what we are. When that dies, we will become like you.

Never going to happen until I'm in my wet cold grave man. I worked hard for Bush's campaign, and voted for him both times.

Hes a little too liberal for my taste, unions need to be dissolved and banned, environmental restrictions need to be banished, all public services need to be bidded out to independent corporations (esp the POS postal service and horrible dept of transportation), and tactical nukes need to be used against trouble nations in the middle east.
and any government who openly threatens the USA or its citizens.

Oh, and my only real complaint about how hes doing.. put the national guard at our mexican border, kill anyone on sight who crosses and doesnt stop after being asked in spanish to halt.

Do these things, and not only will we dominate the world as we already do, but we'll quadruple our numbers.

My plan? Let the liberals eat Canada and Europe from the inside till theres nothign left.
You guys are EASY competition as is Europe.
Its china that is the threat to the Japan/US dominance of the world.

course for someone only wanting to show the US as #1 you may still get your top figure only it won't all belong to you.

Right. Thats why its our figure. Anything that is counted into that figure is fair game to be ours.
But if downplaying helps you get thru the day then great.

GAME · Apr 15, 2005

few quick snips here

Geez even the X800XL beats the GF6800U in FartCry, OIE!

didnt even click the link
if it aint from AT i dont look, not valid.
sorry.

weren't talking about IEE standards, we were talking about HL2, which conforms to M$' standards. And for HL2 and M$ it's full precision, and IEE talks about output, and that's 32bit with ATI anyways since it's only 24bit internal.

wrong. MS's standard is FP32.
Its called DX9C, you and ATI should read about it.

Then why aren't they? You explain it.

it uses fp24
but NV does great in HL2, nothing beats my SLI.. and the single cards are no slouch either

advanaced that Carmack may drop them when going to Quake4, so it's not a question of advanced to much as different, just like HL2 and FP24.

no, fp32 is more advanced than fp24

i suppose you are using 256color desktop right now? and dont feel less advanced huh

As for Id optimizing for nV, like I said, no more so than Valve did for HL2, oth just play to each design's strengths. But I guess reality doesn't help the 'more advanced' argument you're trying to push here.

but thing is, the NV40 is more advanced.

how is 24bit color more advanced than 32bit?

But the X800XL does as well and often better than the GF6800GT for less

the x800xl isnt faster than the 6800GT
its just almost the same, and cheaper

but toss another GT in there, which the X800xl cannot do.. and its all over

myriad of situations where SLI doesn't give any additional benifit.

you mean the very few situations, that you would love to be more important and a bigger deal than it really is, just so you could bash SLI?

with the, "pick the best card you can afford that plays the games YOU play best", of course that may be too logical for some

sure. so unless you are into Flight Sim'04 hardcore and soley, the Nvidia is the best choice

Pep · Apr 15, 2005

"You are smoking some of that bunk canadian weed again arent you."

Bunk??

We happen to have outstanding weed, thank you very much.

cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

Do you really think our 6800U's are toe to toe with the X850XT? I don't. Sure, there is SM3, and SLI in PCi-e, but performance wise, I see the X850XT as superior.

I know dude, you're preaching to the converted. But I give the 6800U kudos for SLI and SM3 in the PCI-e world to say either card would be a good buy if you know what you're getting, although the X850XT's superior brute force can not be denied.

And I have to thank you, Paul, for providing those prices. Helps me prove Ati's PCI-e domenance to Kinney:

X850XT $444 > GF6800U $489
X800XL 256MB $289 > GF6800GT 256MB $381 *and* GF6800 256MB $295 *and* 2-GF6600GT SLI $342
X800 128MB $199 > GF6600GT 128MB $171
X700pro 128MB $146 > GF6600 128MB $135

Except for the niche SLI category, Ati has across-the-board, indesputible PCI-e dominance, Kinney.

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cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

i suppose you are using 256color desktop right now? and dont feel less advanced huh

Kinney, drop the fp24 vs fp32 argument. It's just stupid.

As an example between the kind of precision we're dealing with here, 16 bit images are 65,000 colors and 24-bit are ~2 Million colors.
You can see banding in a 16-bit image, but good luck seeing banding in a 24-bit image. That's why it's called "truecolor".

An image with 32-bit color has the exact same amount of colors as an image with 24-bit color, it's just that 32-bit color has an 8-bit alpha channel. Even in professional digital imaging, they determined that adding colors to the 24-bit standard would be useless. 24-bit is ample for the human eye, so they decided to add an alpha channel for 32-bit images instead of more colors than 24-bit images.

So 32-bit fp is obviously a checkbox feature, nothing more. The human eye can't tell the difference. If you can find me a screenshot that shows a difference between 24 and 32-bit fp shader calculations, I'll denounce fp24 along with you. As it is, arguing the superiority of fp32 over fp24 is like arguing that atoms are prettier than molecules. It doesn't matter because nobody can see either of the damn things.

Plus the fact that it's moot, really, because Geforce cards revert to fp16 whenever the going gets tough. Like I said, even the performance-killing HDR lighting in Far Cry is done at 16-bit fp because 32-bit is way more of a performance hit. Even Doom3 runs 16-bit shaders exclusively, which is one of the reasons why the Ati cards aren't as fast as Geforces in Doom3... they're calculating everything at higher precision. So if the Geforce cards revert to 16-bit whenever they can, claiming their temporary 32-bit superiority is even more idiotic, as Ati cards don't have the option to lower their precision to 16-bit. They end up using higher 24-bit precision than the Geforce cards in real-world game shader calculations.

The FP argument is tired. Concentrate on framerates and actual IQ, not theoretical developerspeak that has no bearing on reality.

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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

fine fine, whatever.

im not really that passionate about 32fp. still better than 24 tho. kinda hard to deny it, but easy to downplay.

either way, doesnt matter. I'm getting close to abandoning Nvidia, believe it or not. I'm not NV-or-die-till-I-die as it might seem (at all actually, I just feel they have the best product 8/10times).

But I'm having an issue that they were working with me on, and now are not. Hopefully this will not continue, or be fixed, but its a showstopper. But I'm getting pretty close to just about having it with this issue and I'm about to throw in the towel for good.

Prob not on all NV hardware, because it is so good like the Nforces, but its enough to make me give preference to future ATI video cards for sure.

I do like the x850xt pe, i dont feel its really got a place in the market (only the x800xl really stands out at all), but I've been feeling the urge to purchase one lately. yes I believe in my argument on choosing DX9C over DX9B.. but I've got tons of money, it matters not for me.
I'll be upgrading next gen for sure no matter what anyway, no matter what I'm using now.

cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

???????? (jaw falls to floor)

Holy crap, dude. Out of curiosity, what issue could possibly turn you to the dark side?
Some kind of hardware incompatibility issue?

If it is, I'm sure your mobo manufacturer will fix it in a BIOS update or something. A slick SLI setup like yours isn't something I'd want to abandon easily.

You're a pretty hardcore dude tho, so if it's pissing you off it mist be pretty serious. Well, good luck to you, hope you get it licked.

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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

ya it is serious, i dont want to share it cuz you guys will use it against me in arguments.. and its still a pending issue. but the NV rep has started ignoring me.
its not something that makes me wake up in the morning and be like "AH i'm so glad i have been so good to NV, they are being so good to me!"

reminds me of my motto that I try to keep in mind, to have no loyalty to anyone who has no loyalty to you.. and corporations have none.

i take it this is about as cheap as the x850xt pe comes <A HREF="http://www.xpcgear.com/pcr48td3.html" target="_new">link</A>
that was a "steal" considering most places sell it for upwards to $600.
big dong sucker on this one is, no dual dvi... wtf.

edit- ah ha, it was not the PE.. heres the PE <A HREF="http://www.shentech.com/3025c3d.html" target="_new">link</A>.. not a terrible price there for the PE I dont think. and Dual dvi, the only way to go.

Edited by GAME on 04/15/05 02:57 PM.

cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

dont want to share it cuz you guys will use it against me in arguments..

Lol, ok buddy, ok. But I promise you no-one here would use it against you. Like I said, I honestly don't think there's any anti-Nvidia bias here. We just like to argue with people who think there is.

Good luck. I hope they fix it so you can get back to being your good old obstinant self again.

P.S. IMHO the 850XT PE isn't worth it, save the hundreds of $$ and get a 850XT if you're considering the Ati line.

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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

heres the thing that gets me, every single time i go and consider a x850

take a look at this <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2290&p=10" target="_new">link</A>
huge gap. the ATIs are bordering IMO, on unplayable at that res. and i need MORE than that res!
and to me, d3 engine performance matters a whole helluva lot for future blockbuster titles like Q4/COD ect.
I'm not willing to spend tons of cash and not perform in that game

then look at my favorite game <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2290&p=9" target="_new">link</A>
Both are totally playable.

So we have one that can power my resolution requirement (1600x1200 or higher) in Doom3engine and HL2
and the other that can only do HL2. It does decent, but they are both above 60fps.. which is about what I'm looking for.

The x850xt pe is just way, way too close to 60fps in doom3@1600x1200
and to really be decent at 1920x1200, i'd like the best performance possible at 4xAA/8xAF

now, you, eden, ape and the rest can be bitter little a$$holes and hate me and my views.. but its really really hard to go out and spend close to $600 on a xt PE looking at this picture. the single Ultra is looking exceptional.
but when you consider its only 700-800 for SLI GTs (not really that much more than a single xt PE) like I have.. i'm just amazed you guys dont agree.

Like I've been saying, toss in sli capability, dx9c/sm3 ect and its all over.

why in the fk do you all think im out of my mind? I have no idea
i think you are blatant ati fanboys that refuse to give the win to Nvidia.

please, after seeing my reasoning for choosing GF6.. tell me I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm "kettle black" boy again or some other low blow slur, but it makes NO sense to me.

whatever im tired of arguing about it. you guys will go to your grave before you admit i'm right.

Edited by GAME on 04/15/05 03:14 PM.

GAME · Apr 15, 2005

ya right man, look at ape and eden having their little jackoff session and its all about me

im not going to give up any info on nvidia.. everyone will jsut be like "narf narf narf im a retard" ect and so on

arguing has been fun and all, but too a point.. and this issue has been going on for far too long. its waning on my Nvidia powers for sure. so less and less passion for arguments

plus ape and eden are just total fanboys, no way would i ever want them to feel like everyone on this board are all about ATI like they are. i came to the conclusion along time ago that ape just loves ATI cuz hes canadian and thinks they are some kind of national symbol. even tho americans run the joint and made a huge shift to california.

i dont buy all that matrox crap.. might like them. but i see way too many ppl trying to prove that ATI is still on top.. and they jsut arent

so now we have him and the fanboy junkies being like this instead

"they are EQUAL, depends on your games!"
yea fking right.. look at my two links and tell me my reasoning doesnt make more sense than Apes
one is playable in HL2 and barely in high res in doom3.. the other does both@high res.. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm

the Nv is the better choice no doubt.Edited by GAME on 04/15/05 03:25 PM.

cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

please, after seeing my reasoning for choosing GF6.. tell me I'm wrong.

You hardcore nutbag. None of us ever said that ANYONE is wrong to choose the GF6 line. Ever. EVER.

In fact, we've been recommending 6x00 series cards for the past year FAR MORE than Ati cards, and only recently switched to recommending some Ati cards in some important PCI-e price points, and we STILL recommend Nvidia for AGP. Jesus Christ, even *I* bought Nvidia because I'm staying with AGP for at least another year. So did Paul...

What we *are* saying is, the Ati line is not useless, and is actually the best buy in certain price points and categories, just like the 6x00 is the best buy in many price points and categories. And that the titles you play are a factor in which card you choose.

Which is basically what you just said, you stubborn ass. You are too busy banging your head against everybody to realize it.

I've never seen anyone on this board rejoyce in anybody's hardware woes, regardless of their brand preference. We are a pretty pleasant bunch. Some of us just get our backs up when certain people accuse us of being biased, partial jackasses.
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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

so you are saying that at the single card high end pricepoint, the 6800ultra is the better choice than x850 xt pe?

thats what im hearing. and its what im saying. just reread that post on doom3/hl2 to see why ive never understood the x850 purchase at all.

even tho i'd like to buy one, i have a hard time doing so considering

cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

What I'm saying is:

1) I personally think either high-end pricepoints are a waste of money, *both* the X850 TX PE and the 6800U. But that's just me. If you have the money to burn, how could you go wrong buying either one? They both rock.

2) What you buy should be heavily influenced by the games you play (i.e. if you hate Doom3 in all it's forms, why would you buy a 6800GT over an X800XL? Conversely, if you hate HL2, why would you pick an X800XL over a 6800GT?), and;

3) Both Ati and Nvidia have compelling offerings at different price points. Neither company has the best solution for everybody, but both companies are necessary for the industry to remain compelling to consumers.

That's it, That's all. That's everything.

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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

personally think either high-end pricepoints are a waste of money, the X850 TX PE and the 6800U. But that's just me. If you have the money to burn, how could you go wrong buying either one? They both rock.

I just think that the xt pe is MORE of a waste than the ultra.. my logic (although many say its failing) is posted above.
I'm big on TWO game engines, Soruce and D3. The rest I dont care, if you perform in D3/Source thats what I'm mainly concerned about.

And the Ultra does better overall on both IMO. It depends if you want to argue on whats playable, but the Ultra pulls 70+FPS in BOTH. 70fps in D3, 95 or so in HL2.
While the PE pulls 60+ in both. 60fps (1600x1200 plain jane) in D3, and 115 or so in HL2.

I'm not saying the PE is JUNK at all, I'm saying "WHY oh why pick that one over hte Ultra?"

Maybe one doesnt have the wisdom to see the future value of BOTH of these huge hits.
These engines will be used in all major games for prob 3 years

whateva!

cleeve · Apr 15, 2005

my logic (although many say its failing) is posted above.
I'm big on TWO game engines, Soruce and D3. The rest I dont care, if you perform in D3/Source thats what I'm mainly concerned about.

You have reached the crux of the matter, Kinney.

The fact is, some people will never play Doom3. Some will never play HL2. Some will never play either.

This is why there is no perfect, single solution. Different cards have different performance in different games.

What's right for you is right for you, and the 6800 series may indeed be that very card. If you have the cash, indeed, even SLI makes sense for you.

Nobody begrudges you for that, and it doesn't make you wrong. Just like anyone who chooses a different card for different reasons isn't wrong either, unless they're choosing because of the name on the box, not the performance that card brings to what they play.

What's right for you isn't automatically right for everyone else. And the guy who scrapes up $200 so he can buy a videocard isn't wrong for buying an X800 - just like he isn't wrong if he buys a 6600GT.

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GAME · Apr 15, 2005

You have a point but the only flaw in the logic i spot is this

The fact is, some people will never play Doom3. Some will never play HL2. Some will never play either.

But any serious gamer will play A game(s) based on either Source or D3. Theres no way around it.

It could be argued the UT04 engine is the most important as it seems to be a modern engine with great market saturation (WoW ect). I would have no problem with that, but my logic on this subject over the years has increasingly come to put major emphasis on the "big two".

As I'll find myself playing D3 and Source based games for YEARS. I JUST retired HL1/CS! Theres another example, most people played at least Quake1/2 or HL1.. these big engines are the most advanced, last years and are impossible to avoid.

Why buy for joe sixpacks engine that will be in one game?

GAME · Apr 16, 2005

then consider if between these two
<A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00030AX3G/002-8611697-8010457" target="_new">$450 for the 6800 Ultra PCIE, SLI capable/DX9C</A>

or

<A HREF="http://www.shentech.com/3025c3d.html" target="_new">$520 for the X850XT PE PCIE</A>

And people here have the gaul to me I'm wrong on NV/ATI? They are equal? They arent equal in performance (NV wins), OR price (NV wins).
I am not examining all price points right now, but I desire the top end cards naturally.. but its a blowout for Nvidia here. No contest.

X800PRO faster than X800XL

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