Question Aligning windows XP on a samsung 850 pro

[Rageypoo]

Hello! I'm currently building a retro PC that will have 2 SSDs one with XP and the other with Windows 7. I'd like to make sure that the XP SSD is alligned properly. I know very little about this other than a few sites have recommend using windows 7 to partition because it does 2048 byte blocks. My question is should I instead use a windows 10 or even windows 11 machine to do the partition instead so it's 1024 bytes? Would that be better?

Also, I will have 4 SSD's in total. 1 for XP, 1 for 7, and the other 2 will be for both. Would it be possible to RAID0 the remaining drives to use as a gaming drive D: for BOTH operating system? Or would that cause an issue? Should I instead use the extra drives individually for each operating system? (so XP would get 1 extra drive all for itself, and 7 its own extra drive)

Thank for the help! I hope these quesitons don't come off as extremely noob, I'm knowledgable to a point, it's been a VERY long time since i've messed with windows XP so I want to make sure I do everything right to not mess up the drives. I'm aware that I need to find a specific version of Samsung Magician for windows XP though i'm not sure which, in order to have TRIIM working on it. I will also have Windows 7 to fall back on to trim the drives when they are not in use. Does anyone have any extra input on how I should configure the SSD for windows XP so it doesn't destroy the drive? Thanks!

 

[ImWolf]

Your post does not mention the first thing you will need, which would be drivers supplied by the MB manufacturer so that XP will recognize the SSD drives. If you can obtain the drivers, you would then need to supply them during setup either via a 3.5 disk, or by creating a slipstream CD or thumb drive. Since these required drivers aren't always available, a lot of people will install a much newer OS first, and then setup XP as a VM.

It's been many years, but as I recall there are options during the setup of XP Pro that will allow you to create your partitions (you only need one?) and specify the FAU size during formatting. You can set these (File Allocation Units) as small as 512 bytes, but in today's world I don't think there's much advantage to having such tiny FAU's any more. I believe the default is 4096K.

 

[CelicaGT]

If the SSD is SATA or PATA you should not need any extra drivers. The easiest way to set the offset is to format the drive(s) using a modern OS. Otherwise it can be done with diskpart using the command line from your XP install media, get to a C: prompt, type diskpart and go from there. On diskpart itself, I cannot remember all the commands but there is a plethora of guides online. In fact, you can probably find some step by step guides for SSD setup for XP from that era as this was definitely one of the top questions people had. XP default offset was (iirc) 63KB requiring the read/write to 2 pages, Vista and later the offset went to 4096KB. As long as your offset is divisible by (again...iirc) 4KB you are fine. I used to set mine to 1024KB.

 

[Rageypoo]

If the SSD is SATA or PATA you should not need any extra drivers. The easiest way to set the offset is to format the drive(s) using a modern OS. Otherwise it can be done with diskpart using the command line from your XP install media, get to a C: prompt, type diskpart and go from there. On diskpart itself, I cannot remember all the commands but there is a plethora of guides online. In fact, you can probably find some step by step guides for SSD setup for XP from that era as this was definitely one of the top questions people had. XP default offset was (iirc) 63KB requiring the read/write to 2 pages, Vista and later the offset went to 4096KB. As long as your offset is divisible by (again...iirc) 4KB you are fine. I used to set mine to 1024KB.

Thank you! The board uses SATA 6gb/s intel controllers as well as a few 3rd party ports. Is there a benefit to making the partition with windows 7 or windows 10/11 or are they both similar? I read in a previous post that Vista (and i'd assume 7) does 2048 byte blocks though i'm not sure if this is accurate. From my observation it appears windows 10/11 uses 1024 byes.

If you can obtain the drivers, you would then need to supply them during setup either via a 3.5 disk, or by creating a slipstream CD or thumb drive.

I will have the motherboard drivers ready during install on a separate folder of the boot drive, I don't plan on letting this machine go onto the internet as XP is highly insecure by now so I'll have to get everything manually, lots of work but hopefully worth it for the retro experience!

 

[CelicaGT]

Thank you! The board uses SATA 6gb/s intel controllers as well as a few 3rd party ports. Is there a benefit to making the partition with windows 7 or windows 10/11 or are they both similar? I read in a previous post that Vista (and i'd assume 7) does 2048 byte blocks though i'm not sure if this is accurate. From my observation it appears windows 10/11 uses 1024 byes.


I will have the motherboard drivers ready during install on a separate folder of the boot drive, I don't plan on letting this machine go onto the internet as XP is highly insecure by now so I'll have to get everything manually, lots of work but hopefully worth it for the retro experience!

Use either really. And you are on track. Have everything you think you may need on hand on a flash drive. There was an article recently, can't remember if it was on Tom's or somewhere else, that showed even allowing ACCESS to the internet on a fresh, fully patched XP install to become infested with dozens of different malware. So resist any urges you may have. Otherwise have fun with it, hopefully it goes smoothly.

 

[ImWolf]

"I will have the motherboard drivers ready during install on a separate folder of the boot drive"

This is a confusing statement. What boot drive? Boot to which OS? Your OP sounded like you wanted to install XP, while partitioning and formatting an SSD drive during the setup?

And with all due respect to CelicaGT, I don't agree with his opinion on the drivers, because I've been through this process a few times. Windows XP came out before Sata, Pata, or SSD drives existed. Microsoft did not supply drivers on the setup media that would detect drives invented in the future.

There is an F6 option you have to hit during setup process where you would need to supply 3rd party drivers. If you don't have them on either a floppy, or a slipstreamed medium, the setup will halt and you will see a message something like "No Fixed Disc Detected".

 

[CelicaGT]

"I will have the motherboard drivers ready during install on a separate folder of the boot drive"

This is a confusing statement. What boot drive? Boot to which OS? Your OP sounded like you wanted to install XP, while partitioning and formatting an SSD drive during the setup?

And with all due respect to CelicaGT, I don't agree with his opinion on the drivers, because I've been through this process a few times. Windows XP came out before Sata, Pata, or SSD drives existed. Microsoft did not supply drivers on the setup media that would detect drives invented in the future.

There is an F6 option you have to hit during setup process where you would need to supply 3rd party drivers. If you don't have them on either a floppy, or a slipstreamed medium, the setup will halt and you will see a message something like "No Fixed Disc Detected".

I believe -most- SATA devices are able to be accessed natively in the installer with some niche products being the exception, especially in the later revisions. Pre SP1 was a wild safari and I doubt that's what OP is installing (I sure hope not). The only boards I recall needing drivers for was VIA chipsets for AMD (3 in 1 driver), maybe Nforce as well? The rest I did natively. PATA (Or IDE, or straight ATA if you will) DEFINATELY existed before XP, Mid 80's I think? And XP doesn't care about the device, only its interface. SSD, HDD doesn't matter, that is the reason one needed to do the partition offset manually. The OS was agnostic and wrote to it like it was a magnetic disk. Regardless, OP should have the drivers on hand (they said as much), and I'm sure they can figure it out. Besides Tom's there's an entire internet out there with older guides to do this. In a low risk area such as this, the best way to learn is by trial and error.

Anyways, I'm happy to be wrong on this stuff, it WAS a long time ago and I may be remembering things selectively.

 

[Rageypoo]

I'll be installing win XP 32 with SP2 and I'm considering a dual boot with win 64 just to experience it and all its buggy glory.