Cyberpower’s Gamer Dragon: Can AMD Bring The Game?

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[citation][nom]osse[/nom]CleeveWell same as fps at 5-15 is useless, that goes for fps way over 60, there u have to crank up all settings to see how far u can go and still stay round 60 fps. [/citation]

Absolutely, over 60 fps is useless for the most part, whenever framerates are ridiculously high I try to point out that it's somewhat meaningless.

Although, high averages usually mean high minimums, so it's not totally irrelevant.
 
[citation][nom]sandmanwn[/nom]BS.You've been called out. Gather all your THG accounts to help the voting out so you don't look so bad. Regardless the numbers don't match and the benchmarks are biased. [/citation]

Crashman, they found us out!

For so long we've been sitting in dark rooms with our illuminati brethren, biding our time and choosing only benchmarks that will crush AMD, and seeding the forums full of puppet post voters to further our malevolent agenda.

But now this 'sandmanwn' fellow has discovered the truth... all of our careful planning and meticulous efforts wasted!

It is only a matter of time before they put the pieces together and realize our benchmark choices are but a small part of a much larger plan to control the world's fresh water supply.

And we'd have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for these damn kids!

*cough*/sarcasm/*cough*
 
@cleeve

True when it comes to i7 and phii, but sevral tests shown that core2 despite high avarage framerates do have in some games rather big framedrops, this due to not having integrated memorycontroller.
 
[citation][nom]osse[/nom]@cleeveTrue when it comes to i7 and phii, but sevral tests shown that core2 despite high avarage framerates do have in some games rather big framedrops, this due to not having integrated memorycontroller.[/citation]

Yep, luckily we won't be testing any Core 2's in the follow-up!
 
Just a lil reminder Cleeve, even thou u know of this weekness.....toms picked soly intel cpu's for all its SBM builds, even in the lower range :). I do think even a well set up dragon rig at best can trade blows with a i7 - sli rigg, but ....against core2 that is a diffrent story :).

Just teasing, i done expect u to put a dragon built vs all off ur SBM builds, but keep up the rig vs rig tests, that diffrent u from the other sites that just cpu vs cpu and gpu vs gpu, it is after all a riggs total performance that does matter, and yes they are mislead bye reading singel part reviews, for its money a rig containing a singel 260 or 4870 with i7, is a poor gamer rig for the money :). But still a lot of thoose who buys riggs things , just having an i7-920 makes it a gamerigg.
 
And for what its worth , i even used toms reviews in many arguments over how to build a rig, Toms proved that gtx 280 and i7 is a loosy combo, maybe nvida has fixed the drivers now, couse it had to be driver issues. But still, fun.
 
I have to stand behind using the i7 in the SBM builds because those have to do more than just game, there's a large application aspect of the SBM and the i7 really does shine in that scenario compared to the Phenom II.

For the record, I was responsible for the $1300 system, and if I had to make the sub-$1000 system I probably would've chosen AMD. I know why Paul chose the Core 2 though, they really do overclock well and that's another big component of the SBM.
 
i7 920 w/dual factory over clocked gtx 260's in SLI

Does a gamer want to be forced to use one brand of vid card ? Answer: NO Does a gamer want to have to use buggy Nvidea chipset boards in order to have SLI ? Answer: NO One of the real beauty's of this build is the fact you can either Crossfire or SLI with this board. You aren't forced to go one way or another. Can anyone here say... X58 mobo's ftw ! ?

This is what it is. This build isn't fancy, yet it contains no crappy parts. It's a quality build with no frills. This build will easily over clock to 3.8GHz...just throw in a few more 120mm case fans... $5 ea. at newegg. I left nothing out of this build...it includes an after market h/s, thermal compound, etc....

You get what you pay for.

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Well the 1300 build i dosnt disagree so much against, it is for entusiasts, and i7-920 clocks well so does 260, only possibel dragon rig that can compete with that is what u also said in ur conclusion its a 940 am2+, 790fx and a vertek, with 4870 cf. Sadly there isnt room for the king of SSDs, intelx25

As i mentioned i builded round 100 riggs since 1992, overclocking is a peace of cake for "those who knows" but for none nerds its a barrier to come over, one of the greatest thing with AMD right now for mid range and budget builds is AOD, it was in my oppinion almost wortless when it was phi. But its fun to see the "kids" play with AOD and it sure brings a smile to them knowing it is so easy to get "more" than u paid for. Yes there are overclocking tools out there that u dont have to go to bios, but none close to AOD.
 


You know what's even more amazing osse ? To purchase a D0 Stepping i7 920 cpu for $280 retail at a stock speed of 2.66GHz and over clock it to anywhere from 4.0GHz - 4.4 GHz all on air cooling. :) Think about it....going from 2.66GHz to 4.4GHz on air. Now is that a bargain or what ?
 
well as i said i dont build Intel riggs, it goes against my belive in the marked (monopol isnt a good thing), i dosnt deny that i7 is superior, and when u come to a pricepoint , her in Norway it is round 14000 nkr, wich meens round 2100 us dollars, with a 24 inch screen, witout os (prices are higher here so u cant use neweggs prices) then i have a tuff , real tuff time setting up an AMD rig that can compete or are better. Go 150 us more up, and well "nothing for us AMD'ers to do than cry.
 
@WhyMe

Alos consider this, it is pretty impressive of AMD to at least give Intel some comepetion, i recon u know that Intels R&D is just as huge as AMD total sale. If u read the accountance for Intel and AMD u would see that for 1 dollar AMD spend on R$D Intel uses 4, and for that dollar AMD also shell try to keep up with nvida :)
 
And also for the record when it was phi vs core2 , well i didnt build any rigs, well a couple off officeriggs, becouse phi was not comeptive against core2, not soly true, but i coudnt with the hand on my heart tell that i build the best rig for the budget they given me to build for, so i actually sent peps that asked me to friends that do build intel rigs, hrmf.
 
And since i am chatting, its a fun forum this, here are some real intel fanboys and amd fanboys, hehe. And some fun argues to read, been reading this forum for 10 yrs, without beeing a member. Only time we had fun like this Amd vs Intel on the norwegian site hw.no, was when athlon ruled, vs prescot and other pentuium models.

Im not neutral , but i accept facts as they are, that is why i havnt question cleeves finding on this article, it was to narrow.

But what supprises me with Intel fanboys round the world, it seems like they think it is to equal companies that do battel. 8 of 10 cpu that is sold is an Intel.

I had this site Toms so up my arse for some yrs, they was truly intel fanboys, but that has changed, they actually have had a lot of fair articles the last yrs.

And to all of u fanboys/girls, it is not a singel component in a rig that decide the outcome, it is the combination.

This article is the first in yrs i seen that comes close to do a rig vs rig comparising, yes the benches was not neutral, but still a first its not perfect.

So i think we all should encourage Cleeve and Toms, to do a lot of riggs vs riggs benches, up to a pricepoint. Isnt that what we all are looking for, the best rig our budget can allow for our use. ???

And im pretty sure if Toms start to do riggs vs riggs testing, they get ALOT more readers, hey look at me, even if this review whent down the drain for an AMD builder, it did make me think.

This article of Cleeve is almost unique, even if not perfect it is the first comeperisment between and dragon rig and an intel/nvidia rig.

So ok AMD lost, that is not cleevs fault, after all he had set up what he knew was darn good, against some half good dragon setup, but maybe, just maybe Toms can be the first site to start doing real builds off. I do hope so. Becoause isnt that what we all want to know, are we buying the best rig or not ???.
 
@cleeve

Just the response to this article should tell u and Toms that u are into something that atract readers, so it would be "bad for business" to stop now :)

Toms lives on comercials, the more readers, the more income, and when u see the response an article like this give, it should make u think, "this is good for business". Well i am an , well was an accounter so i should know what brings income.

 

heh, all jokes to you, just like your article. at least you are consistent. :lol:
 
Well the outcome of this new article is pretty set up, its proven over and over again, i7 shines when u go to 4870 or better, even if the 4890 have a 10-15 % lead over 4870, it will be only in gpu games the 955 will win or make a draw. So yes u intel fanboys , u can look forward for it, but it is till a bad dragon setup :)
 
[citation][nom]sandmanwn[/nom]heh, all jokes to you, just like your article. at least you are consistent.[/citation]

Not a joke, sarcasm. Did you miss the /sarcasm tag, or does the difference confuse you?

Heck, don't worry about it... doesn't matter. It *is* pretty funny, isn't it? Thanks for repeating it in case it was missed the first time around... heheh. 😀
 
Edit : 4870 x2 or 4870 cf. To prove the graphic power 4890 have over 4870 u have to take inot conideration higest possibel settings AA, AF and so on. And since he is downclocking the 4890 to 4870 speed, it will also be 4870 1 gb , vs 4890 1 gb, and the when does 1 gb memory shine, yes it is in 1920x1200 and above, below there 4870 512, does as good as 4870 with 1 gb.

Well the cheapest 4890 here now is saphire cloked at 900 mhz 😉
 
And i do rember a "preview" of a 4890, not sure who had it, it was a blood clocked 4870 at 850 mhz, to simulate a 4890, Te reuslts was close but still a couple of % under 4890, there are some tweeks u get with 4890, not so big a deal, but still. Well i guess i read all reviews there is on computer hardware, so to say that a downclocked 4890 to 750 mhz is the same as a 4890, is that true ??
 

I find it most funny that the author has spent so much time belittling others. Sort of sad really, how much time do you have? Did you loose your day job or something? Is this a new way to take your frustrations in life out on the world to make you feel better? You almost have benchmark slight-of-hand down to a science here. Its all drummed up banter to feed post counts and page views. Seeking out the most vocal groups for dollar signs.

What a shame THG has become. The laughing stock of the tech world. I mean really, you can't even source a THG article in another forum without bringing the wrath of ridicule upon yourself. And Cleeve seems more than ready to carry on the tradition with full blinding force. I mean hell, even when people shove links all over the replies pointing to proof that the numbers just don't add up, he just ignores them. In good fashion just like any forum troll would. Blinded so easily by his own personal feelings.

Life is too short to deal with idiots like this, at least I don't have much time for it. Just have to check those article authors at the top of the page before I start in on a complete waste of time.

Yeah yeah, I know Cleeve. You've been doing this so long that you probably already have a pre-made custom quote for situations like this. The belittling joke just waiting for the bait and trigger response. Put it to you like this... you won't be remembered. Your articles will never live up to the likes of Thomas. You are below grade for a reviewer. Your bias never would have been allowed in the times of Thomas. You are getting a name for yourself alright and its not what you are hoping for. Slanted reviews in tech articles is nothing to be proud of and certainly not worth defending with the vigor you are using. :pfff:
 
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