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Think I'm gonna have a little push, see if I can hit 500k before my mate Aznshinobi. :lol:

Whats the least you need at present to get Bigadv up and running, I know it says 8 cores but from those charts there are quite a few 4 core i7's running it, I can't afford a 980X.

Is it cheaper to get a dual cpu board than a 980?
 


The quad core i7 can complete bigadv as long as it's overclocked to around 3.8GHz and HyperThreading (HT) is on. 😉 If HT isn't on, you wont be getting any bigadv Wu's as the client will only say 4 threads instead of 8. (client cant tell the difference between threads and cores so it reports them all the same. Thats why core i7 quad cores can get them while other cpu's like the core i5 or phenom ii x6 cant.)

Is it cheaper to get a dual cpu board than a 980?
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that depends. Sometimes it is. sometimes it isn't. it all depends on the number of cores what the price it. (most certainly with intel.) I will say this though, the more cpu cores Bigadv has, the better. 😉

 
[:isamuelson] Well, that explains why EVGA team is doing so well....... Maybe its been notice before on this team but i never notice it until now.

http://www.evga.com/folding/promo.asp

Earn EVGA Bucks For Folding with EVGA!
Our most successful promotion ever continues another year! Last year over 50,000 EVGA bucks were earned by our Folding@Home community - it was successful beyond our wildest dreams when we started it in February 2009. We have revamped the way it works completely and we upped the ante as well. Our promotion will reward the folders that stick with our team throughout the year. Every month you must pass one or two milestones to earn EVGA bucks: 100k and 250k points per month. If you pass 100k you will earn 5 EVGA bucks, if you pass 250k you will earn 5 more EVGA bucks for a total of 10. That's a total of 60 EVGA bucks for 1,200,000 points and 120 EVGA Bucks for 3,000,000 points - but only if you fold all year!

How it works:
At midnight of the first of every month, we will take a capture of your points. This time, you can earn up to 120 EVGA bucks, 10 per month, for getting 250,000 per month. That's about 8,500 PPD. We have another option to earn 5 EVGA bucks per month for those that earn 100,000 points. That's about 3,500 PPD. Your count will then reset the following month so you will need to earn 100k or 250k more points that month to get more EVGA bucks. For each milestone, you will need to check in on the My Folding page to request your EVGA Bucks. To check your current 'folding year' point totals, check your My Folding page.
Points per month: EVGA bucks earned
250,000: 5 EVGA Bucks (for a total of 10)
100,000: 5 EVGA Bucks
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[:grahamlv:3]

I gots an idea! Although i'll need to buy hardware just powerful enough to get the 10 EVGA bucks a month on the evga team, then eventully use thoses buck on evga hardware to put for this team. MUAHAH! [:isamuelson:1]

Although that will take time and i'll have to see if this continues as it does say it ends on Feb 28 2011 :/
 


Well just pushed out another Wu, Only 1.3k credits but it helps. 😛

Just keep on folding. we'll catch them. :)
 


well it varities in you area. although those core i7's are either 930 or 950. Here in the US, the 950 price dropped to 930 but i dont know what going on over on your side of the pond for cpu prices. Although any core i7 can be pushed to 4GHz and higher (excluding the early 920, 940, and 960 that only some could reach the 4ghz. Most could only reach 3.8 Ghz. When i mean early, im meanning cpu's made in 2008/2009 months. )

So they should notice that they are 81st again. :lol:
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Should i head too there forum and start saying, Hey you might want to look at your stats again. 😗


😀

(yes, sometimes i'm an evil mischief person 😗 )
 
Yeah drop them a line, your only being your informative self.. 😀

We seem to be churning out some healthy points, 12 users in the red..

And I dont think DD's even got his bigadv up and running yet.

mmmmmmmmmm X58 and i7 or 2 more cards.. :heink:

I have a feeling AK has power in reserve although he is under no threat at present.
 



Xeon is still @ 2.4 for burn in, not running anything bonus yet. Only 1 SMP run on it so far....I think you have to complete 10 SMP before you can qualify for bonus points? I read that somewhere. Will get bigadv running as soon as I bump up the speed and test things out. I've only consistently had one GPU and one unicore client running. The other ones have been up only 75-80%
 

:lol:

yeah i think we're good for now. Just keep on a folding.



mmmmmmmmmm X58 and i7 or 2 more cards.. :heink:
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Now now, dont go overboard. we dont want you do be in this position by having to many rigs/gpus running. :ouch:

http://www.theraptorpit.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6615-omg/

if your really this enthusiastic about F@H , i would recommend saving the money and buying a heavy duty sever (4 cpus).

I know there expensive but there trade off are:

1. they can produce a lot of PPD. 1 guy on F@H has 8 cpu's on 1 motherboard and they were 6 core each, they got 160K PPD! now that can be slim downed to 4 twelve core cpus thanks to the amd

2. there much more power efficient for the PPD. Normal severs at this scale only need a Max psu of 1.2Kw's from what i see. Only other setup that can have high PPD on 1.2Kw psu is an EVGA sr2 motherboard with 4 gtx 580 and 2 overclocked Xeon 6 core cpu's. Although even that setup only earns about 100k to 120k ppd if memory serves correct.

So in theory, compared to having multiple computers using more electricity to get to 100k+ ppd, a sever of that power could pay for it self. Now spend a little extra on a Gold 80% badge PSU and there a little bit more money saved in the long run.


Only issue with both rigs is, there in the USD $5k range.... But hey, i'd rather not see you go overboard is my main message.


Fold ON!
 


As long as your wanting to use them. :lol:

http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=14757&start=90#p162902

Re: Frame Times on BigAdv A3 projects.
by Mizzou_Engineer » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:58 pm

Here you go:

Project: 2684
Average time/frame: 00:35:31
CPU: Opteron 6128 @ 2.00 GHz
# of CPU sockets: 2
# of Physical cores: 16

# of FAH CPU processes: 16
# of FAH GPU Clients: 0

RAM GB installed: 16
RAM Type: DDR3 ECC unbuffered (8 modules)
RAM Speed: DDR3-1333, 9-9-9-27 timings
OS / Linux kernel: Windows 6.30b client on 32-bit WINE v1.2, OS is Gentoo amd64 (no new bigadv units on Linux)
Running in VM: No
Dedicated: No
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From the SMP2 bonus caculator 35:31 equal just at 29k ppd. On other WU's this number could be higher and if you have your system dedicated, this will definitely be higher.


Well, i given the info. it's your choice but i certainly say it is worth it (but then again im not the one with the sever/rig. That you'll need to say if it's worth it or not. )
 
I planned that very same build, but after doing some more research and reviewing benchmarks in just about anything, It became clear that the AMD processors have almost HALF the math ability of a nehlahem. So, (1) 12 core AMD was ALMOST as good as (1) 6 core Intel at a similar clock speed. while more than TWICE the Watts. There was even a benchmark specifically for folding. If I can find it I'll post it up. That's why I went with the E5645. The E5645 and L5640 go on ebay new in the $450-$550 range. Just be sure you get a B1 stepping. There are some A0 stepping out there that is a pre-release and there are compatibility issues with some motherboards.

I'm no Intel Fanboy, but the data is out there from multiple sources. My E5640 has run the first 24 hours at stock speed 100% load and I now bumped it from 2.4 to 3.2 with no voltage adjustment. SMP on 12 threads plus a GPU3 has now been running 6 hours.

Is there a dual opty mobo you can overclock? There is one for Dual Xeons. Best bang for the buck is to go to Microcenter and pick up the i7 950 processor for $199. It should go to 3.8 no problem and run those -bigadv wu. @ 3.8 on the 950 you should make more PPD than the 8 core opty. I would have gone with the 950 but there are no motherboards that support 2 of them.

I should be able to get to 3.5-3.6+ with the Xeon.
 

No. My understanding is that most server board will not allow overclock. The only one I currently know that will allow overclock is the EVGA SR-2. But that board (~$600) + 2 Xeons (let's say at $500 each) alone will cost at least $1600. More than the total cost for the Dual Opterons build if I did my math right, and this is assuming that I can find those cheap Xeon. (Remember I am in Canada.)

I guess I will wait until Boxing day (think Black Friday for Canada, except it is on Dec 26th) and see if I can pick up anything cheap. 😀

 


Would this be the link that your looking for. 😉

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/03/31/amd-opteron-6174-vs-intel-xeon-x5650-review/9



As for going to a Microcenter for him, well lets just say he kinda farther up north. 😗



I would have gone with the 950 but there are no motherboards that support 2 of them
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Well actually thats not a motherboard issue but a CPU issue. Thats due to intel making cpu's have a set number of QPI links. if you only have 1 QPI link, only 1 cpu will be operating. If there 4 QPI Links, 4 cpu's can be connected.


Example: Core i7 950 has only 1 QPI link. Thus limiting it self for only single cpu useage.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37150

While the E5640 has 2 QPI links for a dual cpu system.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=47923&processor=E5640&spec-codes=SLBVC

Obiviously, the more QPI links 1 cpu has, the more cpu can be connected to each other. Now if there was a way to make a motherboard run 2 core i7's, im sure EVGA, Asus, and other companies would be trying to sell it as a major feature.


As for an overclocking Dual Opty motherboard. I dont think there is any that im aware of. Then again i haven't really tried looking into it. I'll see if there is one in the next few days (when im not busy or sleeping.)



Well, 10:19PM here. goodnight all and keep the folding up! :)
 


That might be it, but I remember it differently. I'm not going to argue with the results, as they tested both. Bottom line is, with this test and all else equal, 1/2 the performance per core for the AMD, and you can overclock the Intels, single or dual but with a higher priced motherboard for dual. Any 2 1366 Xeon Duo, quad or hex will go on the EVGA SR-2, though it is not cheap.

Actually, it's a chipset (motherboard) limitation as much as it is a CPU limitation. The X-58 chipset can't run 2 even with Xeon Processors with Dual QPI. A 5500 series Intel motherboard (dual qpi) can't run a single i7 processor. If the chipset isn't set up for dual QPI, it doesn't matter if the processors are or not. On the other hand, you can run the dual QPI processors on either the X-58 or 5500 series boards.

As for our Canadian Folding Champ, you can get them off ebay.ca for less than $300 Canadian, and then there is always NCIX.
 


You can start with Quad Xeons, they can be had for: http://cgi.ebay.ca/Intel-Xeon-W3520-Quad-Core-CPU-LGA1366-2-66GHZ-51357-/150530353121?pt=CPUs&hash=item230c4ee7e1

Those will outperform the AMD 8 cores with minor tweaking.

Then, when the 8 cores come out, everybody will be dumping the 6 cores for dirt cheap and you can upgrade.
 
Well reading that has just confused me. :pt1cable:

So an X58 with 930 is a bit more than 2 more 460's. Will the X58 gear be having a price drop anytime soon.

Just noticed the 950 is only about £20 more than the 930 also. :heink:

I read that link posted by warmon, imagine opening that up!! :ouch:


Hey Aznshinobi, Get Ready to Wave [:bohleyk:1]
 
We are really pounding the points 😱

So where does everybody hail from?

I'm from Minnesota.

I started folding with 2 Intel D920s, thus the DoubleD name choice.

Currently I have running, but have not yet optimized:

Asus Sabertooth X58 with E5645, MSI 470 GTX Twin Frozer and 3X2GB OCZ

Not running -bigadv yet....supposed to be studying for finals.

(2) Asus PVE-VM HTPC setups with 1 E5200 and 1 Q9550, 1 MSI 470 GTX reference fan and MSI 260 GTX reference fan. Both of these have heat issues that have not allow me to overclock and are throttling down because of the small cases. I need to get everything moved around at the end of next week and I hope to more than double my PPD. I have another 260 GTX in reserve.
 
Wisconsin here - you guys happy with your acquisition of Farve?
I'm running a 955 @ stock (like quiet more than clocks - and I get that with a Zalman 9700 LED at minimum speed) and a 9600 GT with 10% factory overclock. I was running a GPU client and a couple of single core clients, but in the last couple of days I shut down the GPU and started 24/7 SMP. The rig doesn't take that much power, but I'm not the one paying for it, so I feel bad about running the whole rig 24/7. I'm going to slow way down for about 7 more days until the SMP bonus kicks in - then I should do about 4k ppd :)

BTW - once the bonus kicks in, is it better to run one SMP client on 4 cores, or two on two cores each?
 


Who is Farve?

 
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