I HATE APPLE.

[uber_g]

:?

 

[ferrazf]

It's not the media, it's the grocery lists. Every time someone needs to buy some apples they think about apple without even knowing it.. I'm gonna name my company The

 

[mesarectifier]

This just in.



Apple ........................ connection to server has been lost.

A truly compelling argument.

Now on the other hand MAC hardware until the intro of the Intel procs has long been proprietary and expensive. This alone is a good reason to not like their products. Sony anyone? If you wanted to upgrade your video card it was normally 20 times as difficult to find and at least 2 times the price of the similar PC based unit.

This is true for the most part. While upgrading video cards is notoriously difficult and CPU upgrades are available but rarely used, I have to say that all the minor upgrades I've done to my PowerMac G3 - expanding the RAM to 640mb & adding a WLAN card - have worked just fine, using parts out of PCs that I've had. I was especially surprised by the WLAN card, which I bought off eBay for £8 and was worked seamlessly into OS X with no drivers required.

However PCI cards, hard disks and RAM aside, Macs aren't upgrade friendly.

But we've surely all seen Anand's article on upgrading the Mac Pro to an octal-core workstation, so there's hope yet!

It is also very powerful as its current release is based on Unix... All the flavor of G tools are still available and work quite well.

The OS even comes with a FREE c and C++ compiler. In fact the base install can include Perl, Gcc, Bash/other shells, python, QT, and many others..

If you do not know what I mean by G tools then I fear you should not be speaking of the MAC OS at all..

I'm not a programmer in any sense, but I've still been able to take advantage of these powerful features you mention multiple times. Having installed the free Dev tools from my OS X disc, I've been able to compile (with step by step help, of course) a number of 'homebrew' apps from various dark corners of the internet, such as Metasploit for checking my network's security.

While I haven't used this feature very much and am surely only scratching the surface of it, it's great that you can run compilers straight outta the terminal rather than having to use 3rd party software.

i got mine 2 days, ago..... and compared to my vista machine, this things ALOT better...

-comes with very good apps
-i can burn ISO's without downloading any programs
-no wrrys about F'd up DLL's or rootkits
-i use open office so no need for microsoft Word

- Unquestionable, the software bundle is awesome! And the fact that you can get semi-pro versions of Final Cut and Logic to replace iMovie & Garage Band for so cheap is a really great thing too.

- I seriously love this feature as well, being able to double-click mount disc images is really useful, and of course burning ISOs from right out of the OS is cool.

- Trudat! Not really much more to say about that is there!

- Here's one point at which I'm a bit sore, though. I use MS Office on all my Macs, and while it runs great on PowerPC CPUs, it's a little bit of a hog on my Intel Mac Mini. However, Microsoft are releasing a new universal version of Office Mac later on this year, so it's just a matter of time. Still, it's a shame such a major app for the Mac is still lagging behind and having to run through Rosetta.

 

[Dante_Jose_Cuervo]

Interesting... very interesting. Yeah, I'm not much of a Mac enthusiast, and I'm not too familiar with them (except for the fact that I prefer running photoshop on them) but overall I do find that they're quite flexible. I don't personally have one (Hmm... I think the pricetag of the MacPro might have something to do with it). Still, I did check out some of the included compilers and I find some of them a bit useless to me, only because I'm unfamiliar to the languages, but the ones I know of I find quite helpful. After all, I hate getting on my XP machine and having to dl compliers after I've already installed the OS.

Btw, where's the OP?

 

[uber_g]

Word to great programs and universal Code

 

[r0x0r]

the reason why most people probably hate macs are because of the ads. thats about it. i know i hate the ads, and that has turned me from a mac lover 7 years ago to a hater today.

Spot on. Look at the iPod ads; totally f*cking retarded (a dancing silhouette; WTF?) yet people still buy them.

That, and Apple seem to design the hardware around the case rather than the other way around.

 

[JohnPW05]

Just a quick question here...

On the PC that I am building, I am getting a...

Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFDRTL 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

And for a graphics card...

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card.

Both of these devises are considered top end in the PC market.

What does Apple have, that will compare to these items?

One other question please...
If you also load and run XP, on a Mac, will it run better?
No crashes or security issues?

Thanks for the help.

 

[apt403]

I like apple, but not as much as i did a while ago. The only thing that makes them different from a standard pc is cosmetically and mac os x (still better then windows IMO), they need design there own processors. That would be awesome. I liked apple back when i hadnt been born yet. Before John Sculley took over and screwed over the company, in the days of the apple ll, when apple was the freakin' KING of the computer industry.

Before i figured out there more to the pc then dell and hp i was the BaronMatrix of apple. A hardcore fanboy, i didnt talk to one of my friends for like 6 months because he got a pc.

 

[dragonsprayer]

Why do I hate apple? I think the commercials are unfair and alot of them untrue!

Although the one where PC has the camera taped to his head is really funny!

 

[apt403]

Why do hate apple: I think the commercials are unfair and alot of them untrue!

I have every one of those mac ads on my ipod.

 

[Nossy]

LOL. If women ruled the universe, Apple will reign supreme. Just Kidding. People are whoring at MACs because they simplify their computer with sleek and clean looks. Just because they don't show BSOD doesn't mean they are 100% stable. BSOD is window's way of "protecting" your hardware from operating any further at "unstable" hardware conditions. I've used XP and I've never experienced BSODs. Rock stable for the last 4 years.

Try writing an OS that will run stable with a zillion different kind of configurations such as: AMD/Intel Processors, Nvidia/Ati/Intel Graphic chips, DDRI/DDR2 at different clock rates, Difference northbridge/southbridge chipsets, SLI, Crossfire, etc, etc. For the most part, Apple has control over hardware choices and they test it thoroughly to make sure it doesn't crash 99% of the time. Try looking for a TV tuner, can't find much variety, if any? Yeah, thought so...

I just can't justify paying $2,000 for a high-end Mac which doesn't have many games available. I'm not a 3D graphics artist so I'm not concerned about running 3D modeling software.

 

[dragonsprayer]

Let me add this:

1) apple is closed i can not build an apple - since i build pc's for a living i would be unemployed

2) i started out as gamer - not pc builder - some how from building my own gaming rigs i got into building systems. apple has limited gaming appeal - the market for games is too small - apple has less then 4% of the market.

80% xp 14% other ms 3% apple 2% linux and all others - i believe this the market break down

Apple and AMD are very similar in that they keep the big guys honest - i mean com on MS waits and steals all their good ideas from apple!

apple stole the ipod from sony - sony was so dumb

next apple looks to get the cell phone - as an investment i think apple has a lot potential still.

I still hate apple!

 

[Dante_Jose_Cuervo]

Well, if you're a gamer and you're not interested in 3D modeling, then why would you even consider a Mac Pro? I mean... it's like an F1 driver saying they don't like a pickup truck because it's not fast or agile enough.

 

[reconviperone1]

I dont own a apple , however i have used them at school(yes Im a 36 year old part time college student), and I love them. I think they build a great computer and always have. I dont really get into the ipod, I own a mini and a shuffle and was dissapointed, however sandisk 4gb e 260 is the best mp3 player hands down.

 

[reconviperone1]

To be quiet honest i thought that apple computer and the commodore amiga would have been the dominant computers(wrong on both counts), both company had good operatings systems and powerful software. The show babylon 5 was atually rendered with a network of amiga 2000 computers bak then.

 

[apt403]

If microsoft didnt piss all over apple by pretty much stealing mac os (which apple took from xerox, although xerox would never have done anything with it) apple would have been the dominate computer company.

 

[reconviperone1]

I think we can all admit that windows sucked up until xp/2000. I actually preferred DOS and only upgraded when i had to. apple has always had a good operating system, i remember how in high school everyone tried to get into the macintosh class instead of pc(this is circa 1986). I bet there are still people who have windows ME machines waiting to shut down.

 

[r0x0r]

If Apple didn't steal the interface for the iPod from Creative then they wouldn't have had to pay them $100million, and they wouldn't have won so much praise from stupid tech journos who cater to the "fashion tech" crowd.

 

[reconviperone1]

creatives mp3 players are good from the flash drive based all the way to the bif video mp3 players. I dont like itunes, on my sandisk, i can save in wmv,mpeg1 and 2, and i think divx, i can save my music in wma or mp3. I like having that freedom. itunes is to prohibitive for what i want in my player.

 

[r0x0r]

I bet there are still people who have windows ME machines waiting to shut down.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Man, that was one evil OS. I still have nightmares about when I used it on my dad's girlfriend's Compaq 533MZ 64Mb RAM crapheap way back in 2000/2001. The Compaq had a purple and beige front cover made from the cheapest plastic Compaq could find. Bloody stupid thing. Whenever I saw it I wanted to kick it.

 

[apt403]

I hate that bloody interface, as soon as ipodlinux supports 5.5gen ipods im switching.

 

[yourmothersanastronaut]

I may not hate Apple, I just don't particularly like their products because for what I do with my computer (e.g. build it) it just isn't enough machine for the money. I do like Apple's OS X interface for the most part, reminiscent of Gnome.

Speaking of which, Gnome is really catching up, as is all of Linux. Ubuntu's "Feisty Fawn" will be out fairly shortly, and Apple's *nix background explains why the OS has so much built into it...Linux does things the same way. I'm not surprised at all that OS X has a C compiler, Linux comes with several.

Included software doesn't matter that much to me, I like the variety of 3rd-party stuff. I like the challenge of scouring the web for stuff to do what I want to do. And mostly I have the .exes stored on my Downloads drive, so all I need to do is install and update them.

So...I'd never buy an Apple for my primary machine, but I could see myself using a cheaper one for a laptop or something. And of course...I'd dual boot Linux on it.

 

[will14]

I don't like them at all because I know people who complain about theirs, slow errors. They cost so much that a lot of people I know buy a new one only every 5 years. You won't see me opening up an iMac trying to find out what's in it who makes the parts trying to upgrade it. They are less proprietory now but I still don't know the ins and outs of the OS so don't mess with that either.

 

[CompTIA_Rep]

XP>Vista>win2000>98>me>95>Win3.11>win3.1>win1>dos 5>dos 4>OS10.4>Dirt.

 

[arima]

whoa whoa.. is this a hate thread or what?! :? I have used many other mp3 players, and i still like my ipod for it's simple usability. OSX doesnt have much support for software cause it's unix based.. essentially unix with a pretty cover. Apple has worked really hard to create software that is seamless within itself. Makes OSX pretty much a no-brainer to use. Windows however, is quite riddled with flaws and it's not as seamless. The large installed base is the only reason why it has more support for software. If apple had overtaken microsoft in OS a long time ago, i'm sure things would've been quite different. Yes apple is expensive and their hardware isnt really up to notch, and they're hard to upgrade. That's probably the only thing besides software support hindering me from jumping into OSX.
just my 2 cents. don't flame! 8O