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Do you hate Apple?

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Tell if I'm wrong, I'm no Apple expert, but isn't the Mac OS's based on Unix?
I do know that the Apple people did buy the Graphical Interface from Xerox I think. If not Xerox it was some photo copy maker.
So really their success is based on pinching or buying everyone else's ideas.

Whoops thats right. So did Microsoft. Embarassed Although give the Nerd some credit, Bill Gates did write his own software in the Beginning. Shocked
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- Xerox management ignored their invention of the GUI. Steve Jobs was the first 'important' person to realise it's potential and had his entire team schooled in it by Xerox at PARC in the 70's. Apple's idea? No. Apple seeing an opportunity being wasted? Yes.

As Jobs himself put it - "Xerox management grabbed defeat out of the single greatest victory in modern computing" (OWTTE)

- As has been pointed out above, Gates bought DOS off of some unknown so that he had an OS to demonstrate to IBM, not just the BASIC product they were offering at the time.

- And yes, OS X is based on Darwin, which is a Unix/BSD variant, and as I have stated elsewhere in this thread it is accessable through Terminal on any OS X computer.

If you are specifically a price/performance guy then this is actually a steal given the delivered software as well...
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Great point well made. See! It IS possible to like PCs and not hate Macs at the same time.
 
The Internet 'as we know it' and the first web browser were created by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN on a NExTCUBE.

The Internet itself was created in the mid-70's and consisted of University Mainframes across the U.S.A.

It was then called the ARPANET, because if the government body within the Pentagon that funded it.
 
Yeah Apple is guilty of stealing a couple of ideas here and there. But they are good at taking breakthrough technologies no one knows about and rewriting them so the rest of the world can understand.


First GUI in a home desktop
First mouse on a PC
First PDA
One of the first digital cameras
One of the first with wireless networking in a notebook.
First to omit a floppy drive, without an option to add one.
The internet was created on a Next Cube
First widely successful MP3 player.
First laser writer.
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Wrong on the internet count. That's even worse than saying that Al Gore invented the internet in my book. (Thats because I hate apple alot more than AL Gore.) The internet was a concept that was slowly conceived over many many years, and still is. It has been a work in progress since 1962. It was originally called arpanet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

Anyways I hate apple as well. I disliked them before Ipod and Itunes. But now I don't like apple at all. I basically hate them because they introduced a whole generation to low quality compressed downloadable music. What happened to the days of stereo systems and high quality audio.
 
I don't care if people hate or love Apple. What bothers me in the extreme is that any attempt to discuss any product by Apple turns into a flame war. Just the other day I was commenting on a report that AMD was developing an OEM version of the X2800XT for Apple to work in Crossfire on the Mac Pro. This is the first instance where a machine that uses the Bensley platform would allow Crossfire, with possible implications to the PC market since the Mac Pro can run Windows. The discussion started off well, until some a**hole plopped out of nowhere and decided that he would start insulting me because I was discussing an Apple product. I immediately closed the thread rather than endure this bullshit. The effect of this attitude by some forum members is to stifle discussion and intimidate users from conversing about a product just because these immature, childish authoritarians say so. They are trolls. A lot of people complain about Apple fanboyism but they should really look at themselves in the mirror and realize that they are no different. There is such a thing as PC fanboyism. And many people here suffer from it.
 
IApple is notorious for using hardware that is no interest to TomsHardware people and now we see articles about Macbooks creeping in. I mean, lets do some math: Is the ratio of Apple publicity to General Electronic publicity the same as the ratio of "People Who Don't Own Apple Products" to "People That Do"? No, of course not.
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This is a pointless reason to hate Apple. This is Tom's Hardware... not Tom's PCs. Last I checked, Apple made hardware. You must be capable of doing better than this. :wink:

The only reason Apple is EVER going to go anywhere is because the media in general is so whored to them that everyone is going to think that everyone else owns Apple stuff and try to jump on the bandwagon.
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You sound jealous of Apple's advertising methods and their recent successes. It's all very clear now -- how childish. :lol:
 
GASP... you mean the APPLE is not intuitive?


SHOCK GASP.


Apples make most sence when you have no f0cking clue what your doing. Once you know how to use a PC, your like WTF how do I do this.


--> You cant. Mac does it for you.
 
GASP... you mean the APPLE is not intuitive?


SHOCK GASP.


Apples make most sence when you have no f0cking clue what your doing. Once you know how to use a PC, your like WTF how do I do this.


--> You cant. Mac does it for you.
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The biggest challenge for Americans who move to another country is staying on the left side of the road and not dinging your tires on the curb while parking (due to the steering wheel being on the right side). However, if I moved to a new country, I'd get that new Lexus that parallel parks for me. That way I can concentrate on getting to my destination rather than bother with the minor details.
 
H U H?
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Apple -> Lexus -> Parallel Parking ... I get it .... wait ... no I don't.

I'm saying that you are used to XP and probably have been using Windows for years. That would make it hard to use a new OS because you are expecting it to behave like Windows, and when it doesn't, you blame the OS instead of blaming yourself for thinking it's the same as Windows. Obviously it is not. You get the most value out of OS X by having no preconcieved ideas about how it should work compared to anything else you've ever used. You have to keep an open mind.

I do realize, however, that this forum is full of geeks who are set in their ways and don't want to learn anything entirely new. I understand. What I don't understand is how anyone with a decent level of technical expertise can not be up and running with OS X in a day. My techophobe girlfriend had no problem after buying an Intel iMac. Neither would my grandmother, I'm sure. Browse some other forums on other sites and you'll see similar testimonies of switchers that don't have a quarter of the tech know how that some of you guys do.
 
I would assume most people on these forums know Apple, and probably been around it for quite some time. THAT is why we (or at least I) disregard apple as being a valid OS.

I hate the simplicity of a Mac, though I love their design over all (externally). Now that Vista is out though I would say (currently) Mac osX 10.5? > Vista. But that is just until they fix their damn bugs and fuck DRM bypass, and system lockout.

THey needed 2 versions of vista, and thats it.

1.) Dumbass $Luser edition
2.) I know what the f0ck I am doing edition.
 
I guess I'll just say that OS X isn't for gamers and it isn't for geeks. Anyone else would have a ball with it. I can see the new Apple slogan now.


"Mac OS X. Computing for the rest of us."

On the other hand, how many average Joes and Janes do you think would love any flavor of Linux as their main OS? Before you answer, think about how many of them know how to do anything besides surf, use office, and check email?

By the way, I'm kinda enjoying this for some reason.
 
Although this thread is flame bait material, I just like the fact that the graphic design department at my university uses the new iMacs (the computer/monitor as one style), both the PowerPC 18+ months old and some C2D's that are 6 months old. And here is my rant...

The keyboard for having fairly heavy use are poor quality. After even 12 months on the PowerPC iMacs, many buttons stick on almost every keyboard. If I go to any 'writing' lab on campus with much older Dell keyboard I cannot remember the last time I had one with a bunk keyboard.

Last year, with those PowerPC iMacs, at the end of the Spring semester, 3 out of 25 had issues where they would randomly reboot or turn off and/or would just hang at boot up. When I came back in the Fall this year, I'd probably say we're up to a good 10, some have been 'serviced' multiple times.

As for the new C2D's, the mouse that comes with them is got awful quality (that tiny scroll wheel works for crap in an graphical program), also feel like I have a wart on the end of my finger when I'm using it. The other PowerPC iMacs had the most common style logitech scroll wheel that everyone has seen before.

/rant
 
I worked on a mac using AVID for video design. THe company loved it and it ran smooth.... we even had a custom keyboard just for the program.


BUT YOU KNOW WHAT


At home, I like to do something else, and just maybe, I want to play a game....


And I hate the IPOD.
 
the reason why most people probably hate macs are because of the ads. thats about it. i know i hate the ads, and that has turned me from a mac lover 7 years ago to a hater today.

but to be completely objective: since most computer users only do internet browsing and word processing, either a mac or a windows machine will suffice. as for people saying that osx is some much easier to use then windows, well i dunno. i dont see whats so hard about windows. double click, right click, start. everything install into program files automatically, shortcuts are put on your desktop automatically, shortcuts in the start menu... that seems to be pretty easy to use to me. osx doesnt handle it that well, if i recall you have to manually create shortcuts for your applications and you have to manually drop it in the dock, and installing requires you to open your hard drive and find the programs directory and drop your program there, rather then simply clicking and away she goes.

so i dont get when using osx became any easier. for the average user, i would probably recommend windows.

also, macs dont game. and thats all i really care about.
 
Although this thread is flame bait material, I just like the fact that the graphic design department at my university uses the new iMacs (the computer/monitor as one style), both the PowerPC 18+ months old and some C2D's that are 6 months old. And here is my rant...

The keyboard for having fairly heavy use are poor quality. After even 12 months on the PowerPC iMacs, many buttons stick on almost every keyboard. If I go to any 'writing' lab on campus with much older Dell keyboard I cannot remember the last time I had one with a bunk keyboard.

Last year, with those PowerPC iMacs, at the end of the Spring semester, 3 out of 25 had issues where they would randomly reboot or turn off and/or would just hang at boot up. When I came back in the Fall this year, I'd probably say we're up to a good 10, some have been 'serviced' multiple times.

As for the new C2D's, the mouse that comes with them is got awful quality (that tiny scroll wheel works for crap in an graphical program), also feel like I have a wart on the end of my finger when I'm using it. The other PowerPC iMacs had the most common style logitech scroll wheel that everyone has seen before.

/rant
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No flame war here, just a discussion among people who know alot about computers and are eager to share their educated opinions.

I will admit that Apple has had alot of QC issues lately. Whether it's the bad iBook logic boards or the whiny Macbook Pros. Thankfully, Apple has been rated as having the best customer service of any tech company. That means no hassle in getting a replacement. They even initiated a logic board exchange program for the iBooks. An inconvenience it may be, but I don't know many people who have given up on Macs because of it.

As far as the keyboard, my only gripe is that it gets dirty rather quickly. I've never had a stuck key on any of my three newer macs. On my old G4 400, a few keys did start to stick after five years or so and my old mouse lost some responsiveness, but a thorogh cleaning of both solved that problem. Also, a facility I do alot of work out of has thirteen G5 iMacs scattered about, all of which are in perfect working order. I'm sure they don't get as much use as the iMacs in your computer lab, but they are all used by people who know how to use a Mac and keep it running effeciently. There may be some hardware problems down the road, but like I said, it will get sent back and replaced rather quickly.

As far as the Mighty Mouse is concerned, I hated all mice until I used one. I carried my Kensington Expert Mouse trackball with me wherever I went. I paid a hundred bucks for it and it was worth every penny. I'd laugh at people running Pro Tools or Logic with a mouse. Now, I feel like I don't need my trackball. And by the way, the scrolling sensitivity can be adjusted in system prefs if it scrolls too slow for you. It was too slow for me until I adjusted it.
 
I would assume most people on these forums know Apple, and probably been around it for quite some time. THAT is why we (or at least I) disregard apple as being a valid OS.

I hate the simplicity of a Mac, though I love their design over all (externally). Now that Vista is out though I would say (currently) Mac osX 10.5? > Vista. But that is just until they fix their damn bugs and **** DRM bypass, and system lockout.

THey needed 2 versions of vista, and thats it.

1.) Dumbass $Luser edition
2.) I know what the f0ck I am doing edition.
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- 'Valid' OS? That makes no sense. Explain?

- SINCE WHEN HAS EASE OF USE BEEN A NEGATIVE FEATURE?????? SERIOUSLY????

It's not that there aren't any powerful tweaking tools in Mac OS, it's just that they're easy to get to. Apparently having to click through a billion menus and running regedit to make advanced changes makes you feel really great about yourself, in which case keep Windows, you're welcome to it.

Perhaps you feel inadequate when using OS X because in order to get your fix for overly complex setting changes you have to be the holy grail of Geek - a Unix-nerd - and you're just too darn attached to your GUI. I'm only trying to think of a valid reason why anyone could possibly hold Mac OS' ease-of-use against it!

- Right now OS X 10.5 > Vista? No, right now OS X 10.4 > Vista, 10.5 will just be another triumph for Apple when it comes out. Leopard is no more 'real' to the market as Windows Vienna (or Neptune & Cairo for that matter).
 
I have to agree with Mesa..

It has been LONG well known that the Mac OS is quite a technology feat.

It performs very well is easy to use, to the point that most can sit down and very shortly start to navigate a MAC.

It is also very powerful as its current release is based on Unix... All the flavor of G tools are still available and work quite well.

The OS even comes with a FREE c and C++ compiler. In fact the base install can include Perl, Gcc, Bash/other shells, python, QT, and many others..

If you do not know what I mean by G tools then I fear you should not be speaking of the MAC OS at all..

Now on the other hand MAC hardware until the intro of the Intel procs has long been proprietary and expensive. This alone is a good reason to not like their products. Sony anyone? If you wanted to upgrade your video card it was normally 20 times as difficult to find and at least 2 times the price of the similar PC based unit.

Some of their hardware was also very nice to own as many of their older desktops contained quick/expensive SCSI drives.
 
I have to agree with Mesa..

It has been LONG well known that the Mac OS is quite a technology feat.

It performs very well is easy to use, to the point that most can sit down and very shortly start to navigate a MAC.

It is also very powerful as its current release is based on Unix... All the flavor of G tools are still available and work quite well.

The OS even comes with a FREE c and C++ compiler. In fact the base install can include Perl, Gcc, Bash/other shells, python, QT, and many others..

If you do not know what I mean by G tools then I fear you should not be speaking of the MAC OS at all..

Now on the other hand MAC hardware until the intro of the Intel procs has long been proprietary and expensive. This alone is a good reason to not like their products. Sony anyone? If you wanted to upgrade your video card it was normally 20 times as difficult to find and at least 2 times the price of the similar PC based unit.

Some of their hardware was also very nice to own as many of their older desktops contained quick/expensive SCSI drives.
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More agreement here. Back in the day, if you did image editing on large files, the Mac was the only way to go. Many music and video editors will only work on a Mac. I remember when Windows 95 released and the management I worked for thought they could FINALLY eradicate the Mac from their workplace. Turns out the PC still could not compete - 75MHz Macs were much faster than the Win95 IBM PCs. The performance gap didn't really start to close till Win98, then XP machines got pretty competitive. But up until a couple of years ago, I always saw the evolution of Windows and the PC platform as if they were imitating the Mac OS and playing catch-up. I still have a 225MHz Power Tower Pro running a RAID0 and it runs great!
 
i got mine 2 days, ago..... and compared to my vista machine, this things ALOT better...

-comes with very good apps
-i can burn ISO's without downloading any programs
-no wrrys about F'd up DLL's or rootkits
-i use open office so no need for microsoft Word


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Now i have an XP pro system running my games ( yay )
 
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