[SOLVED] I want to update from i5-4590. What to choose?

[gweilox]

Hi guys my current build is

i5-4590
GTX 1060 3GB
Asrock B85M Pro3
DDR3 C9 1600MHZ 4x4GB/ 16GB
Plextor M6S 128GB(Windows)

Ive noticed that my CPU is not performing really well, when i play PUBG for example it gets to 100% CPU usage on medium settings and get fps drops and lag spikes.

What would a good CPU upgrade and i dont really want to change the mobo or ram.

But if i have to i could set a budget for a new mobo/cpu/ram.

 

[logainofhades]

Your options are 4th gen i7's, and Xeon E3's, 1230v3, or better. You are still dumping money, into a dead end platform, though.
https://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/b85m pro3/#CPU

There has never been a better time, to get on a more modern platform, than right now. Ryzen 5 based rigs are great bargains. Just a quick example, of something that would pair up great, with your current GPU, and give you a bit of headroom, for a faster GPU, as well.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $263.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 16:07 EST-0500

 

[gweilox]

Thanks!

Do you think with this rig provided it will be easier for me to ubgrade later on?

 

[logainofhades]

Much easier, than what you have now. AM4 is supposed to be around till at least the end of this year, and should support Ryzen 4000. It might be best to get an x570 board, or one of the MSI B450 max boards, depending on your case size, and budget, as those have larger bios chips, for future CPU support. I have still not seen a definite release date, for B550.

 

[gweilox]

You're right. Do you reckon the MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX Motherboard would do the trick with later upgrades?

Also would CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 1.35V this be fine as new ram?
and i also have 500W PSU would this hold the rig?

 

[logainofhades]

What is the make/model of said PSU? If it is not a quality unit, it needs to go, regardless of what you have, or get. That board and cpu are ok, but the G-skill is a bit better.

 

[johnsoner13]

You're right. Do you reckon the MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX Motherboard would do the trick with later upgrades?

The B450 Tomahawk MAX seems to be the best choice and most popular (and rightly so) among the MAX lineup of motherboards. The B450 GAMING PLUS MAX isn’t a bad choice, though. The ram in question should work well, although for absolutely sure compatibility you may want to find a kit on your mobo’s QVL. 500W should be enough power but it also depends on the quality of your PSU. What’s your PSU make and model?

 

[gweilox]

Okay thanks, ill go for the Tomahawk and GSkill then.

Its a Corsair CX500

Edit@ As i am based in UK i cant seem to find the exact one of GSkill

 

[johnsoner13]

Okay thanks, ill go for the Tomahawk and GSkill then.

Its a Corsair CX500

Looks good then

 

[logainofhades]

The CX500 is not a very good, quality, PSU. The CX550m is a much better unit. That ram is in the UK.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£106.98 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£98.95 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£78.30 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £284.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 22:27 GMT+0000

 

[gweilox]

Okay got it. You think i should upgrade the PSU too?

 

[logainofhades]

I would recommend it, on the basis of yours being poor quality. Looking at what is available, for you, this looks to be the best option, at 550w, or less. I just added it to my previous build list.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£106.98 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£98.95 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£78.30 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£60.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £345.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 22:40 GMT+0000


If you want some upgrade headroom, the 650w version isn't much more. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na

 

[gweilox]

I would recommend it, on the basis of yours being poor quality. Looking at what is available, for you, this looks to be the best option, at 550w, or less. I just added it to my previous build list.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£106.98 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£98.95 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£78.30 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£60.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £345.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 22:40 GMT+0000


If you want some upgrade headroom, the 650w version isn't much more. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na

Thanks for the help, much appreciated. Also i might just go for the 650W so i wont have to upgrade the PSU later on.

Thanks!

 

[SamirD]

You're up to more than double the cost of just swapping in a i7-4790k with a new combo and power supply, especially when you consider the fact you can sell your 4590 to offset the cost. You can also sell your whole current combo and power supply to offset the cost of the newer one.

 

[logainofhades]

You are still dumping money into a dead end build. They can sell their board, cpu, and ram, to offset the cost of getting on a modern platform, with more features, and many more upgrade options. That Tomahawk Max can use any Ryzen CPU, up to the mighty 3950x. It is quite likely that it will support 4th gen, as well. There are people with A320, and B350 boards, using 3rd gen, now.

 

[gweilox]

You are still dumping money into a dead end build. They can sell their board, cpu, and ram, to offset the cost of getting on a modern platform, with more features, and many more upgrade options. That Tomahawk Max can use any Ryzen CPU, up to the mighty 3950x. It is quite likely that it will support 4th gen, as well. There are people with A320, and B350 boards, using 3rd gen, now.

okay, so you think this upgrade is still worth? Will i be able to upgrade cpu later without any issues with this mobo?
Is it worth getting pre filled liquid cooler for this CPU or just a normal one would be enough for now?
Still trying to get a hold on to a PSU, would the one you given be worth or is there anything else at this price or lower?
Thanks

 

[logainofhades]

The PSU I listed is the best you are going to get, at that wattage. You don't want to cheap out, on the single most important part of your system. A low quality PSU can damage other hardware, especially when it dies, and takes your hardware with it. Air cooling is fine. The stock cooler is adequate, unless you overclock. You can use a beefier air cooler, for improved thermals, and less noise. There can always be issues, with an upgrade, but any 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen should be just fine, with an up to date bios. 4th gen will depend on what AMD, and board manufacturers, decide, with regards to support.

 

[Nemesia]

Actually if you're gonna go for the 2600 at 160Euro you should go for the Ryzen 1600F. It's almost identical performance wise as a 2600 and it's only 80 USD. 106 Euro to 73 euro. Put that 33 dollars somewhere else.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjOHEHE__LA

At the moment the 1600F is a great buy.

 

[logainofhades]

The 1600 AF hasn't been selling that cheap lately, unfortunately. It has been closer to $105, or more. Even in the UK there isn't a huge difference in price.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£106.98 @ Aria PC)
Total: £106.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-12 19:55 GMT+0000

vs

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (12nm) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor (£95.53 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £95.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-12 19:55 GMT+0000

 

[Nemesia]

The 1600 AF hasn't been selling that cheap lately, unfortunately. It has been closer to $105, or more. Even in the UK there isn't a huge difference in price.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£106.98 @ Aria PC)
Total: £106.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-12 19:55 GMT+0000

vs

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (12nm) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor (£95.53 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £95.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-12 19:55 GMT+0000

You're right. It's even higher.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Proces...1_2?keywords=ryzen+1600&qid=1581537723&sr=8-2

It has to have the F in the model number. (YD2600BBAFBOX)

So yeah why not the 2600.

 

[SamirD]

You are still dumping money into a dead end build. They can sell their board, cpu, and ram, to offset the cost of getting on a modern platform, with more features, and many more upgrade options. That Tomahawk Max can use any Ryzen CPU, up to the mighty 3950x. It is quite likely that it will support 4th gen, as well. There are people with A320, and B350 boards, using 3rd gen, now.

Not everyone has the budget to always buy something new as is always suggested here. It's a matter of bang for buck and what bucks the OP has to spend.

Everything is a 'dead end build'. In 3 years the cycle revolves and yesterdays hotness is today's 'dead end build'.

 

[SamirD]

okay, so you think this upgrade is still worth? Will i be able to upgrade cpu later without any issues with this mobo?
Is it worth getting pre filled liquid cooler for this CPU or just a normal one would be enough for now?
Still trying to get a hold on to a PSU, would the one you given be worth or is there anything else at this price or lower?
Thanks

Either upgrade is a good bang for buck imo. It really depends on how much money you want to spend.

You can get an AIO for either setup, and since it could move to a new build, would even give more life to upgrading your existing setup.

And with your existing setup, you wouldn't have to touch the power supply.

 

[logainofhades]

Not everyone has the budget to always buy something new as is always suggested here. It's a matter of bang for buck and what bucks the OP has to spend.

Everything is a 'dead end build'. In 3 years the cycle revolves and yesterdays hotness is today's 'dead end build'.

If you bought 1st gen ryzen, in 2017, your board still can support a Ryzen 3000 today. That is the problem with Intel. They change socket/chipset requirements constantly. Those that bought i7 6700k/7700k's are left behind, as Intel needlessly forced people into a new chipset, to support coffee lake.

Intel CPU prices rarely drop. There are lower budget options available, for Ryzen, that you could get a CPU and motherboard, for the cost of a used 4790k, by itself. So you spend a little extra, for DDR4, and have a huge upgrade path, and better mulithreaded support, for future titles. I have a friend that went from a 4590 to a Ryzen 5 1600, and he loves the multitasking capability it gave him. Used 1st gen ryzen may be an option too. It's just easier to show new components, on PCPP, than trying to scour Ebay or whatever sites they have available, for used parts.


The PSU recommendation is due to the fact that their CX500 is a poor quality unit, that can die, and take his system with it. Orange label CX are not suitable for a gaming rig. The new grey label CX/CXM are a much improved version, but in their area, the TXM is a better buy, as it is cheaper than the inferior CXM.

 

[gweilox]

Hi guys, as i do have the budget is it worth going all our for the MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC?

 

[Nemesia]

I just built a system for my friend with a B450 Gaming pro carbon ac. That board and the Tomahawk max are excellent b450 board.