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For a laptop that's not to bad.
 


RX Vega M Up to 1.13X Higher Performance than GTX 1060 Max-Q (6GB)
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That's great for a laptop that is also more power efficient at the same time!
Intel Dynamic Tuning — NEW! Dynamic power sharing enables enthusiast performance in sleek systems
Up front design benefit of 17.5W
Same performance with up to 18% higher efficiency
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No worries, an upcoming windows patch will "fix" that for you...
 


Will fix what?

The firmware updates and software patches "COULD" (no one it saying that it will) cause some systems to run slower. Sources familiar with the situation all say that Intel processors that are based on Skylake or newer architecture won’t see a performance degradation. However, older processors "COULD" slow down more significantly due to the new firmware and software updates.
Intel says any slow downs will be only “workload-dependent,”

But is fine im running at 5.0GHz, I have a full GHz to spare over my slower Ryzen 7 without counting IPC 😉
 


Not only reviews show less than 3% performance impact on general

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/7op4jg/compilation_of_windows_consumer_benchmarks/

but users have updated their systems are reporting no noticeable difference:

Got the patch too.

Ran all the usual benches and no change. As mentioned above even Cinebench gave a 3 point boost!
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Installed the update. Didn’t affect shit for gaming or anything I use on my computer.
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No difference benchmarking my 7820x after the patch.
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Realbench Reddit 5 Windows Patch & BIOS Update -10.9% without OpenCL test -13.4%

All the reports of no change are with just the Windows Patch, and not the microcode update through Motherboard Update. Also, systems more than few years old will not be patched via microcode and will be vulnerable.
pti 1 ibrs 0 ibpb 0 -> fix variant#1 #3 (for older Intel systems with no microcode update available) #2 variant no patch.
I talk about the vulnerability for older machines here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3609004/cpu-security-vulnerabilities-information/page-3.html#20566795
Hardware Unboxed has done testing 0-4% FPS loss and up to 41% with some workloads for SSD and NVME.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3609004/cpu-security-vulnerabilities-information/page-3.html#20567466
 


Bryant provided little context to his statements, but he did indicate that the company began shipping 10nm Cannon Lake processors before the end of last year. There have been unconfirmed rumors that Intel had shipped a dual-core 2.0 GHz processor, which comes in a 2+0 configuration (no graphics), for low-power applications.
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First question you have to ask... Where are they?
Second question... Why did BK not say one word about 10nm last night, instead talk about Intel becoming a data company... Personally, I want continue to see innovation. Looking at the last 4-5 years with a lack of focus on Intel's core foundation of being a manufacturer of CPU's I think BK should be fired!
 


True but still far from those 35% (up to 50%) some news sites were pretending a week ago.

Also the BIOS updates are for Spectre, and as Linus mentioned those first updates are emergency fixes with no optimization for performance

https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=173959&curpostid=173981
 


Can you please stop getting % numbers from your behind? You started complaining with "30%" claims at the very start and we all told you they were wrong for desktops due to the nature of the fixes. We're trying to look at facts here and you keep mixing up reports from credible sources with your own imagination and dubious reading.

Sure, there are people and sites misleading fellas, but WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. No one here is oblivious enough to claim desktops will see a massive drop in performance and the asterisk has always been around "mixed workloads". Until more sites actually review mixed workloads and not single application situations, then you won't really see anything wrong. This will be more of a subjective measurement, since you can't really tell with specific bench numbers how good is your system at handling mixed workloads without profiling the whole machine.

I'll keep an eye on Toms report for the Streaming piece (if they ever decide to update the figures). I have the suspicion Intel will get hit in that arena... At least enough to make it noticeable.
 
U.S. Senators Urge Government to Probe Intel CEO's Share Sales:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-09/u-s-senators-urge-government-to-probe-intel-ceo-s-share-sales


"I certainly think it would be intriguing to the SEC and theoretically to the US Attorney's office," said Joshua Robbins, a white-collar defense attorney at Greenberg Gross and a former federal prosecutor. If the SEC does launch an inquiry, he continued, "it's going to want to know what did [Krzanich] know and when did he know it."
http://uk.businessinsider.com/shareholders-mulling-suit-against-intel-over-ceos-stock-sale-2018-1?r=US&IR=T

 
If Intel's CEO Brian Krzanich is found guilty of security's fraud this is going to bad for him, and Intel's stock. Martha Stewart got 5 months! Last night at CES Intel keynote speech not one word about a single personal computer CPU. Data and Drones... Where is 10nm? Fire him!

ALDERSON, W.Va. — Martha Stewart reported to prison early Friday to begin serving a five-month sentence for lying about a stock sale, the federal Bureau of Prisons said. Stewart, 63, was convicted in March of lying to investigators about why she sold ImClone stock in December 2001, just before the stock price plunged.Oct 8, 2004
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6205192/ns/business-corporate_scandals/t/stewart-begins-serving-jail-term/#.WlVvh6inGHs
 


How are those AMD patches working out for you? Not good if you own a older AMD CPU..

Microsoft has suspended delivering the latest Windows update to certain systems with AMD processors after reports that the update was causing the machines to crash with a blue screen of death when booting. The update contains countermeasures against both the Meltdown and Spectre attacks; although AMD systems are not affected by Meltdown, they're vulnerable to Spectre.
It's not entirely clear what the documentation error is. There are some reports that users with older AMD processors are seeing crashes because the Windows kernel is trying to use an instruction that the very earliest 64-bit AMD chips didn't support. It's not clear if this is the cause of suspension, but the bulk of the complaints do seem to concern older chips, so it's certainly possible.

Official statement from Microsoft:::
"After investigating, Microsoft has determined that some AMD chipsets do not conform to the documentation previously provided to Microsoft to develop the Windows operating system mitigations to protect against the chipset vulnerabilities known as Spectre and Meltdown."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/09/microsoft-halts-some-amd-chip-meltdown-patches-after-pcs-freeze.html
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/08/after-blue-screen-of-death-reports-microsoft-says-to-uninstall-recent-patch/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/bad-docs-and-blue-screens-make-microsoft-suspend-spectre-patch-for-amd-machines/
 


Nope. And the various class-actions will end up going nowhere as consumers won't be able to show harm.

Now, if the datacenters sue Intel, that's a who different story...
 


Actually, there are some that seem very upset! Maybe not that upset, but claiming they might look to AMD or ARM if not compensated!
Alternatives include Advanced Micro Devices, which shares with Intel a chip architecture called x86, or chips based on technology from ARM Holdings or graphics processing chips, which were developed for different tasks than Intel and AMD's central processing units, or CPUs.

For Gleb Budman's company, San Mateo-based online storage firm Backblaze, building with ARM chips would not be difficult.

"If ARM provides enough computing power at lower cost or lower power than x86, it would be a strong incentive for us to switch," said Budman. "If the fix for x86 results in a dramatically decreased level of performance, that might increasingly push in favor of switching to ARM."

Infinitely Virtual, a Los Angeles-based cloud computing vendor, is counting on Intel to replace equipment or offer a rebate to make up for the loss in computing power, Chief Executive Adam Stern said in an interview.

"If Intel doesn't step up and do something to make this right then we're going to have to punish them in the marketplace by not purchasing their products," said Stern, whose company relies exclusively on Intel processors.

Cloud providers said swapping out previously installed Intel chips for rivals' would be too complex, but moving forward they could expand their networks using alternatives. Moving from Intel to AMD is easiest since AMD and Intel chips share a common core technology called the x86 instruction set, they said.

ARM-based chips lag the speed of Intel's x86 based chips for tasks such as searches, and software would have to be rewritten.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3341285/amd-naples-server-cpu-info-rumours/page-25.html#20579097
 


That makes no sense at all, why should we do that?.. What are they talking about?? The flaws affect all modern processors not only Intel (INTC), but AMD and ARM that use "speculative execution" to enhance performance. Why should we look to AMD or ARM???. Nearly all modern chip architectures from the major suppliers (Intel, AMD, ARM) are affected, and this includes nearly all modern computer systems from data center to PC to smartphones. The problem affects nearly all operating systems, such as Windows, Linux, macOS and even Android, as well as virtualized environments such as VMware and Citrix
 


They are talking about the overhead on Intel CPUs from the Meltdown patch increasing CPU utilization on servers 30+%! Since the flaw is a hardware, the OS's are attempting to apply band-aids in the holes they know about. Only the latest ARM processor are affected by Meltdown, previous versions don't use speculative branch prediction. AMD claims to be unaffected by Meltdown. Most hardware is affected by Spectre! Including Nvidia! But since most of the overhead causing high CPU utilization comes from Meltdown, that is why people are unhappy with Intel!
 


At least Intel CPU's are working after the patch. Well this is what microsoft is saying in respect to AMD MELTDOWN and SPECTRE patches, Microsoft's Windows patch for the Meltdown and Spectre attack methods is reportedly causing a lot of problems for users with AMD CPU's and most Athlon CPUs. Microsoft has paused distributing its Meltdown and Spectre security updates for some older AMD machines after reports of PCs not booting. Microsoft’s support forums have been full of complaints from PC owners with AMD processors..

“Microsoft has reports of customers with some AMD devices getting into an unbootable state after installing recent Windows operating system security updates,” says a Microsoft spokesperson. “After investigating, Microsoft has determined that some AMD chipsets do not conform to the documentation previously provided to Microsoft to develop the Windows operating system mitigations to protect against the chipset vulnerabilities known as Spectre and Meltdown".
I personally know 2 co-workers witch computers got blue screens after the update, one is using the FX 8350 and the other a laptop with an older Athlon II processor. They had to reinstall windows.
 


The Strawmans in you are strong...
 


That has nothing to do with Ryzen or Epyc. And the article is talking about switching to new technology not old technology.
 
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an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
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a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
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