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Just for sure:
May I play Ritual of the Bitter Rose after Nephandus (Mage)burns a
vampire in torpor?
 
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Colin McGuigan wrote:
> The_Baital wrote:
> > would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn
> > signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s
> > possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for
the
> > strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio
ghouls
> > or something, not sure about my memory though).
>
> No. While Burning Wrath would treat the ghoul as a vampire, Ritual
of
> the Bitter Rose would not.
>
> --Colin McGuigan

thanks...

luciano/curitiba/baali
 
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No.

Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations:

1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor.

2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that
Vampire A is taking.

Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of
these criteria.

-Matt
 
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>> Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations:

>> 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor.

>> 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that

>> Vampire A is taking.

> 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire
in
> Combat.

Right. Faulty memory to blame. For some reason I forgot that Ritual of
the Bitter Rose is a combat card as well as an action modifier. Seemed
dodgy, glad someone corrected me :)
 
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Let's analyze more closely:

> "This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card.


Correct, the card does not "require" a vampire. However, the
situations that cause the card to be able to be played require
vampires:

> Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the
blood
> bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by

> diablerie

Only vampires can diablerize. Nephandus can take an action to burn a
vampire in torpor. This is not the same as diablerie.

> or while in combat with this vampire."

"this vampire", meaning your vampire who is burning an opposing vampire
in combat. Nephandus is not a vampire, so if he did manage to burn a
vampire in combat, this clause still does not apply to him.

Make more sense now?

-Matt
 
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> Ritual of the Bitter Rose
Type: Action Modifier/Combat
This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card.
Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood
bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by
diablerie or while in combat with this vampire.


please read the cards carefully:

1. 'burned either by diablerie or while in combat with THIS vampire' -
clearly requires a vampire to play this card...

2. it either needs a diablerie action or a burn while in combat.
nephandus burn action is neither of those...
 
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ZombieM...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > or while in combat with this vampire."
>
> "this vampire", meaning your vampire who is burning an opposing
vampire
> in combat. Nephandus is not a vampire, so if he did manage to burn a
> vampire in combat, this clause still does not apply to him.
>
> Make more sense now?
>
> -Matt

would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn
signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s
possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the
strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls
or something, not sure about my memory though).

cheers
luciano/curitiba/baali
 
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> would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn
signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s
possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the
strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls

or something, not sure about my memory though).


no. RotBR isnt a strike card, nor does it require basic potence...
 
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> Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations:
>
> 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor.
>
> 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that
> Vampire A is taking.
>

2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire in
Combat.

> Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of
> these criteria.
>

Correct.
 
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The_Baital wrote:
> would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn
> signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s
> possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for the
> strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio ghouls
> or something, not sure about my memory though).

No. While Burning Wrath would treat the ghoul as a vampire, Ritual of
the Bitter Rose would not.

--Colin McGuigan
 
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"This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card.
Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood
bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by
diablerie or while in combat with this vampire."

It is not require any vampire.



>>Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations:
>>
>>1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor.
>>
>>2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that
>>Vampire A is taking.
>>
>
>
> 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire in
> Combat.
>
>
>>Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of
>>these criteria.
>>
>
>
> Correct.
 
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"Kahalet" <kahalet@op.pl> wrote in message
news:cvg68l$5p3$1@news.onet.pl...
> "This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card.
> Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood
> bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by
> diablerie or while in combat with this vampire."
>
> It is not require any vampire.
>
>
>
> >>Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations:
> >>
> >>1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor.
> >>
> >>2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that
> >>Vampire A is taking.
> >>
> >
> >
> > 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire
in
> > Combat.
> >
> >
> >>Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of
> >>these criteria.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Correct.

It requires "diablerie" or "in combat with this vampire".

Nephandus is not diablerizing his victim, nor is he a vampire
who is burning his opponent in combat.

--
LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
 
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"This card can be played as an action modifier card or a combat card.
Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood
bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by
diablerie or while in combat with this vampire."

It is not require any vampire.



>> Vampire A can play Ritual of the Bitter Rose in 2 situations:
>>
>> 1) Vampire A successfully diablerizes a vampire in torpor.
>>
>> 2) Vampire A burns Vampire B in combat resulting from an action that
>> Vampire A is taking.
>>
>
>
> 2) is incorrect. It is playable any time your vampire burns a vampire in
> Combat.
>
>
>> Nephandus is not a vampire, and therefore doesn't qualify for either of
>> these criteria.
>>
>
>
> Correct.
 
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On 22 Feb 2005 13:17:31 -0800, "The_Baital" <subvertion@gmail.com>
wrote:

>would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn
>signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire?

If you're thinking of a mortal ally recruited with Ghouled, he can't
play Torn Signpost. He can only play Potence strikes, and once per
combat.

Ghouled
Type: Action Modifier
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable when the action to recruit a mortal ally is announced.
If this action is successful, put this card on that ally and add 1
additional life to the ally from the blood bank. This ally is
considered a ghoul and not a mortal. Once each combat, this ally can
play a strike card that requires basic Potence [pot] as a vampire.
Rarity: Anarchs:C

I've packed some copies of the card befroe realizing this... But it is
still useful in some decks.

>cheers
>luciano/curitiba/baali

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil
Giovanni Newsletter Editor
-----------------------------------------------------
V:tES Brasil Site (only in Portuguese for now)
http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/vtesbrasil/
 
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On 22 Feb 2005 17:04:37 -0800, "The_Baital" <subvertion@gmail.com>
scrawled:

>
>Colin McGuigan wrote:
>> The_Baital wrote:
>> > would it be possible to play RotBR if a ghouled ally playing Torn
>> > signpost + burning wrath burned the opposing vampire? i guess it´s
>> > possible, since the ghouled vampiire is treated as a vampire for
>the
>> > strike (i think i saw something similar to it regarding rafastio
>ghouls
>> > or something, not sure about my memory though).
>>
>> No. While Burning Wrath would treat the ghoul as a vampire, Ritual
>of
>> the Bitter Rose would not.
>>
>> --Colin McGuigan
>
>thanks...

plus, vene if you could, the opposing vamp wouldn't have any blood,
making RotBR a bit less than useful.

salem
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm
(replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)
 
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