dang your right my bad i was looking at some reviews of the r600 the new ati chipset i think it is suposed to support a better ram. gess i am going to have to realy keep my eys out for the 6400C3 then. going to be a pain to find it as soon as anyone sees it post on here i will likwise after i get my pair of corse 😛
I saw that too, but the board only supports up to 800MHz, so unless I'm wrong (if so, please correct me), the 6400C3 would be faster with this board.
Did you check out these places? In stock, don't know anything about either retailer though.
http://www.payhalf.com/product/13/14/275467
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85025-7
http://www.payhalf.com/product/13/14/275467
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85025-7
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Slightly flawed in your reasoning. The RAM speeds come in handy when you overclock. Below is a link to a thread that I learned all about this. When you overclock by raising the FSB, the RAM usually gets overclocked at the same time, automatically. Because the Conroes are Intel chips, they are quad-pumped, meaning the FSB is only 1/4 of what they advertise. In other words, the 1066Mhz FSB Conroe chips have an FSB of 266Mhz. (266Mhz * 4 = 1066Mhz)
The RAM is DDR, meaning Double-Data-Rate. Essentially, DDR-667 only runs at 333Mhz. (333Mhz * 2 = 667Mhz) Your RAM speed must match your CPU FSB for performance, it will hurt you if it is slower. That means that DDR-667 (333Mhz clock) is about right as far as speed goes for a 1066Mhz FSB (266Mhz) Conroe chip. If anything, DDR-667 is a little overkill.
So congrats, if you can afford it, go buy $650 memory, just because you can. But remember that your DDR-1111 is going to run at a clock of 556Mhz. Your processor FSB is going to 266Mhz. (Even the Extreme Conroes are 1066Mhz FSB.) It is always a good idea to have the RAM running a little faster than the CPU, because some applications can take advantage of it, while others cannot. With a 266Mhz CPU, I speculate that anything over 350Mhz (for your RAM speed,) would be in the realm of overkill. With your 556Mhz RAM, you will have approximately 206Mhz of RAM speed as overkill. That's approximately a third of your RAM speed close to unused, meaning approximately $216.50USD going to waste. Justify that it's worth it.
Now, you ask why people would make RAM that fast if people don't make processors with FSBs as high as 556Mhz? Simple answer, overclocking. Some of the highest FSBs I have ever heard of aren't over the low-600Mhz range. When you overclock, raising your FSB raises your RAM, respectively. This means that when you start to raise your Conroe's FSB, the RAM increases with it. (Duh.)
We both know that it's a good idea to keep the RAM and FSB not too far apart, because they like to be close with the RAM a little higher than the FSB. (As I just stated above.) Theoretically, you could start your 266Mhz Conroe in it's climb, and begin raising the FSB/RAM. If you think about it, it almost makes more sense to buy high-quality low-speed RAM that slightly exceeds your CPU FSB speed. For a 266Mhz Conroe, I'm thinking somewhere around DDR-667 (333Mhz) or DDR-800 (400Mhz.) I read that this board likes DDR-800.
When you are buying lower speed of RAM, buy the highest quality you can find. People often buy higher speeds of RAM because the chips used in them are of higher quality. Don't confuse "RAM speed" that I keep referring to, with "RAM latency." (CAS3,4,5 or whatever.)
Heres a link to a post that would probably clear up a lot that I didn't here.
Link
Wusy (Are you senor 29k posts?) if you see something wrong with this, or anybody else for that matter, please tell me.)
In my opinion, you will always get better performance out of high-end equipment that is set up exactly right than top-of-the-line equipment that isn't set up correctly.
The RAM is DDR, meaning Double-Data-Rate. Essentially, DDR-667 only runs at 333Mhz. (333Mhz * 2 = 667Mhz) Your RAM speed must match your CPU FSB for performance, it will hurt you if it is slower. That means that DDR-667 (333Mhz clock) is about right as far as speed goes for a 1066Mhz FSB (266Mhz) Conroe chip. If anything, DDR-667 is a little overkill.
So congrats, if you can afford it, go buy $650 memory, just because you can. But remember that your DDR-1111 is going to run at a clock of 556Mhz. Your processor FSB is going to 266Mhz. (Even the Extreme Conroes are 1066Mhz FSB.) It is always a good idea to have the RAM running a little faster than the CPU, because some applications can take advantage of it, while others cannot. With a 266Mhz CPU, I speculate that anything over 350Mhz (for your RAM speed,) would be in the realm of overkill. With your 556Mhz RAM, you will have approximately 206Mhz of RAM speed as overkill. That's approximately a third of your RAM speed close to unused, meaning approximately $216.50USD going to waste. Justify that it's worth it.
Now, you ask why people would make RAM that fast if people don't make processors with FSBs as high as 556Mhz? Simple answer, overclocking. Some of the highest FSBs I have ever heard of aren't over the low-600Mhz range. When you overclock, raising your FSB raises your RAM, respectively. This means that when you start to raise your Conroe's FSB, the RAM increases with it. (Duh.)
We both know that it's a good idea to keep the RAM and FSB not too far apart, because they like to be close with the RAM a little higher than the FSB. (As I just stated above.) Theoretically, you could start your 266Mhz Conroe in it's climb, and begin raising the FSB/RAM. If you think about it, it almost makes more sense to buy high-quality low-speed RAM that slightly exceeds your CPU FSB speed. For a 266Mhz Conroe, I'm thinking somewhere around DDR-667 (333Mhz) or DDR-800 (400Mhz.) I read that this board likes DDR-800.
When you are buying lower speed of RAM, buy the highest quality you can find. People often buy higher speeds of RAM because the chips used in them are of higher quality. Don't confuse "RAM speed" that I keep referring to, with "RAM latency." (CAS3,4,5 or whatever.)
Heres a link to a post that would probably clear up a lot that I didn't here.
Link
Wusy (Are you senor 29k posts?) if you see something wrong with this, or anybody else for that matter, please tell me.)
In my opinion, you will always get better performance out of high-end equipment that is set up exactly right than top-of-the-line equipment that isn't set up correctly.
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In reply to my own post...
I am only bitter because I am poor.
That post is exactly what you want to read. It's mine, about this board, with higher speed memory than the board says it can take. (DDR-800)
There is probably a lot wrong with this, so take it with a grain of salt and do your own research, but there are one or two correct things in there. (I hope.) It's what I was told by the people on the PCmech forums.
I am only bitter because I am poor.
That post is exactly what you want to read. It's mine, about this board, with higher speed memory than the board says it can take. (DDR-800)
There is probably a lot wrong with this, so take it with a grain of salt and do your own research, but there are one or two correct things in there. (I hope.) It's what I was told by the people on the PCmech forums.
I'm a noob to all of this and this may not be the thread to post this but I have seen recently that the ATI Radeon X1950 XTX Crossfire seems to outperform Quad SLI. It seems everybody is interested in staying with SLI instead of Crossfire... curious to know why that is?
Bwahahahaha. Yeah whatever.
In other news: my 1983 Amiga has a 3Dmark06 score of 9999999
Here is proof....
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2009987,00.asp
Unless of course you don't believe it.
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i wouldn't trust that review. their riggs different. they didn't use the SE nforce motherboard. They didn't use the updated 590 which they should have by now. They also used different sound cards.
They were also probably using beta drivers for QuadSLI. It seem spretty obvious since the 2 7900GTXs beat out the QuadSLI in several areas.
They were also probably using beta drivers for QuadSLI. It seem spretty obvious since the 2 7900GTXs beat out the QuadSLI in several areas.
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If I am correct in my knowledge, than yes. That should be a good combination. Just look for good chips on the memory. I believe reading reviews and articles regarding the memory you are thinking of should help you figure out what's good and bad.
The main reason why peeps buy high speed RAM is because of the higher quality chips used in making them. Hope I am correct, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me otherwise. Hope this helps
Well screw it, I just ordered an ASUS P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe and I'm overnighting the sucker. I can't wait anymore.....lol. And besides, I got 3 PCs and if I end up getting the new board I can just upgrade one of the others.
Any hints / tips when I get this board to make sure it will post the first time? (other than "make sure its plugged in" and other smart-a** comments :twisted: )
Putting a C2E in the sucker.
Any hints / tips when I get this board to make sure it will post the first time? (other than "make sure its plugged in" and other smart-a** comments :twisted: )
Putting a C2E in the sucker.
If I am correct in my knowledge, than yes. That should be a good combination. Just look for good chips on the memory. I believe reading reviews and articles regarding the memory you are thinking of should help you figure out what's good and bad.
The main reason why peeps buy high speed RAM is because of the higher quality chips used in making them. Hope I am correct, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me otherwise. Hope this helps
well i was tossing up between
corsair 6400 800mhz 5-5-5-12 $334 (AUS)
and
OCZ platinum 800mhz 4-5-4 $389 (AUS)
however after an email to the store owner he replied he suggested this G.Skill kit
G.Skill PC6400 800mhz 4-4-4-12 $387 (AUS)
i see teh timings are faster however when i was asking friends in the know what RAM to get they said OCZ and corsair make good sticks. Is G.Skill a good brand? It looks alrite to me.
This would be a good choice if you want to stay closer to 300 dollars:
Corsair Ram at ZipZoomFly
4-4-4-12 for $340.00, less if you can live w/o the actitivity LCDs
Features and Benefits
2048 Megabytes of memory in a pair of 240-pin DDR2 DIMMs
Two matched CM2X1024-6400C4PRO modules
Implemented using 64M x 8 DDR2 SDRAMs
100% tested at 800MHz in high performance DDR2 motherboards
Legendary Corsair reliability and service
TEST SPECS
Each module is tested in a motherboard at 800MHz
Tested at the latencies of (4-4-4-12) at 2.0V
EPP standard 4-4-4-12-2T, 2.0V values at 800MHz
Corsair Ram at ZipZoomFly
4-4-4-12 for $340.00, less if you can live w/o the actitivity LCDs
Features and Benefits
2048 Megabytes of memory in a pair of 240-pin DDR2 DIMMs
Two matched CM2X1024-6400C4PRO modules
Implemented using 64M x 8 DDR2 SDRAMs
100% tested at 800MHz in high performance DDR2 motherboards
Legendary Corsair reliability and service
TEST SPECS
Each module is tested in a motherboard at 800MHz
Tested at the latencies of (4-4-4-12) at 2.0V
EPP standard 4-4-4-12-2T, 2.0V values at 800MHz
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I have heard from quite a few people who are "in the know" on the subject of RAM and Intel chips.
Oddly, they tell me that timings don't mean very much on an Intel processor.
Then I said...
Then he said...
Same link, few posts down. Hope it helps.
Oddly, they tell me that timings don't mean very much on an Intel processor.
At This link, post #3.
Then I said...
Then he said...
Same link, few posts down. Hope it helps.
This UK site shows availability of the ASUS PN532 premium (ie the 590 chipset board) from 16/9/06.
http://www.vadim.co.uk/ASUS+P5N32-SLI+Premium+WiFi-AP+%281066+FSB+Conroe%29
I understand that this info is based on comment from ASUS earlier this week. I can’t vouch for whether this is likely to be true (either the supplier’s reliability or whether the ASUS guy was correct) but if similar comments appear from other sources…
For those who (like me) are tempted to give up and get the ASUS PN532 deluxe (ie the nvidia 4 chipset sli)… I have heard from a number of sources that there may be problems with the current BIOS. Presumably will be corrected in due course but you might want to look at the following for example:
http://www.hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=729
http://www.vadim.co.uk/ASUS+P5N32-SLI+Premium+WiFi-AP+%281066+FSB+Conroe%29
I understand that this info is based on comment from ASUS earlier this week. I can’t vouch for whether this is likely to be true (either the supplier’s reliability or whether the ASUS guy was correct) but if similar comments appear from other sources…
For those who (like me) are tempted to give up and get the ASUS PN532 deluxe (ie the nvidia 4 chipset sli)… I have heard from a number of sources that there may be problems with the current BIOS. Presumably will be corrected in due course but you might want to look at the following for example:
http://www.hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=729
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Aight
Recommended memory for 800mhz
Cas Latency 4
or
if you can afford Cas Latency 3, go for it
Recommended memory for 667mhz
Cas Latency 3 or in the worst, Cas4
Do not get DDR 553Mhz, thats old skool. If you have money to spend on DDR 1000 or 1111, just make sure you get Cas Latency 4.
Recommended Brands:
Corsair, OCZ, Kingston.
Recommended memory for 800mhz
Cas Latency 4
or
if you can afford Cas Latency 3, go for it
Recommended memory for 667mhz
Cas Latency 3 or in the worst, Cas4
Do not get DDR 553Mhz, thats old skool. If you have money to spend on DDR 1000 or 1111, just make sure you get Cas Latency 4.
Recommended Brands:
Corsair, OCZ, Kingston.
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Excellent finding of the board at VadimComputers. Good to see some 9/10 numbers in terms of dates, that would be nice if it was released then. Lets see, only ten days. 😱
I made a choice of a laptop over this build, but I cannot WAIT to see some benchmarks regarding overclocking, memory specs, and all the other intricacies relating to an excellent board such as this.
As far as positive thoughts go right now, I really want to see some high FSBs. Hopefully some really detailed reviews and some articles that will tell us what kind of hardware is going to work with this thing for the most performance.
I made a choice of a laptop over this build, but I cannot WAIT to see some benchmarks regarding overclocking, memory specs, and all the other intricacies relating to an excellent board such as this.
As far as positive thoughts go right now, I really want to see some high FSBs. Hopefully some really detailed reviews and some articles that will tell us what kind of hardware is going to work with this thing for the most performance.
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