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I was surprised not to many threads was started up dealing with this rather cheap dual processor here. Looks to me a great bang for the buck cpu with two cores, a few reported some rather favoriable OC's as well. Maybe everyone here or most folks here just want to talk about the rather more expensive line of cpu's with double the price for 20% more performance. Well anyways, unless AMD starts selling their X2 line at a cheaper cost I will have to say bye bye to AMD this round and go for the bang for the buck that Intel has now (something it looks like AMD is going away from). Now, should I get a 7800GTX or R520 when they come out and use the rather poor Extreme graphics that come with the 945 chipset?
 
Use the onboard graphics, the heat from the dual cores will fry anything else.
Are you going to be using phase change, or are you going to try to squeak by with water?
 
Sad that anything and everything on THGF gets trolled by AMD lemmings.

These are pretty nice chips and run no where near as hot as the EE version. I pushed a 820 (2.8Ghz) to 5Ghz on a customers unit I built today.

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Really I don't understand what all the whining is about as far as the price of dualcore cpus are concerned. Yes these companies are pushing to have desktop and workstation/server class cpus move to dual(multi)core. But I think all these review sites are making a big mistake. They should be comparing performance and cost with a dualcore system to a traditional dual cpu system.

I've always run dual cpu system since I built my first computer in '98. The type of work I do on the computer would not see any benefit of going to two dualcore cpus. Instead I found a single dualcore cpu to be a great replacement for my current dual cpu system (Opterons and a Iwill DK8N). I haven't benchmarked them yet, but I'd be willing to bet the only area you'd see a dual cpu system (at least an Opteron system with dedicated memory banks) really pull ahead of a single dualcore system is memory bandwidth. But the price difference alone is more than enough to sway me. For the price of 2x Opteron 248's and a motherboard you could build a complete system around a 4400+ and still have money left over. A typical Opteron motherboard runs about $450, price only goes up from there.

New tech always costs more, were people actually thinking AMD was supposed to release the 4800+ at $400-$500? Please, quit your bitching and either keep what you have or a place an order.
 
I pushed a 820 (2.8Ghz) to 5Ghz on a customers unit I built today.
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And was that with phase change, or water? Did you ship it that way? Was it throttled? How many watts was it putting out?
How long did you run it at that for?
Can it outbench the 4800 @ 3ghz?
 
Im just about through with place.

ASUS P5WD2 Premium
Intel 3.73 EE @ 5.6Ghz
XMS2 DDR2 @ 1180Mhz

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I hear ya, I used to frequent here more often. I do stop in to stir up the natives usually by cock blocking the circle jerk threads.

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At OCForums a chap has a 830D at 4.3ghz using water, stable at 4.1. This has to be the sleeper chip of the year. Which would mean gaming would not be limited to 2.8ghz. In addition future games will start being multithreaded making a dualcore cpu a much smarter choice in the long run. Maybe AMD has started the lawsuit against Intel because AMD can't compete in the dual core arena and starting to see some writting on the wall. I have to say right now the most bang for your buck has to be with Intel Pentium D processors. Has anyone compaired a 4ghz+ dual core Pentium D's to AMD's overpriced X2 chips? How about at 4.3 to 4.6ghz? All I will see will be smoke on AMD's end.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by noko on 07/06/05 07:26 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I'm rather curious as to the answers to Endyen's questions myself. Any chance you could answer them, or are we just supposed to take your (implied) word for it that you can ship 5Ghz Oc'ed units to people without ending up with a support nightmare.

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We'd need to see a comparison between a highly Oc'ed P4 dual core and a similar X2 setup, before anyone could say anything about that.

The AMD chip costs more because:
1)It performs better
2)It uses less power
3)It produces less heat.

The Intel chip which is a fairer comparison is actually slightly more expensive. AMD just don't have a Dual core part to match it. I guess they could release one (at 1.8Ghz maybe?) but I guess they have their reasons for not doing so.

Which would mean gaming would not be limited to 2.8ghz.
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Well that's just a stupid statement. It's possible to overclock an AMD chip too you know. YES a 4.6Ghz dual core Scotty would probably beat a Dual core A64 at 2.2Ghz... But if the AMD chip also gets overclocked then Intel's no longer a winner, although it obviously depends on the ocing ability of the chips concerned.

We simply don't know. You think the P4's a great deal, then buy one. Who cares? If I was looking at a dual core system then I'd have to see how much heat it puts out, and weigh in the pricing difference (DDR2 anyone?), but I'd still look at it with an open mind.

The commonly overlooked thing in these stupid circular debates is the fact that performance isn't everything. A prescott P4 generates more heat and consumes more power than an equivalently performing A64. This means either more <i>noise</i> for the same performance level, or more <i>money</i> for the same performance level. If you can find <i>any</i> information that proves either of those two facts to be wrong, I'll happily admit defeat.

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Hmmm... Pentiums are multiplier locked... When they throttle, they drop the multiplier to 14... the multiplier of the 2.8 @ 800fsb is 14... nope, can't throttle.

If I wanted a low-cost dual core, I'd buy the 820. Actually, I do want a low-cost dual core, and even though I lean toward AMD, AMD doesn't have a <b>low-cost</b> dual core.

Mike.

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-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue>
 
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I think that the Pentium 820 D is a good option for going straight to dual core. But what would be the price for the whole package (CPU, mobo, RAM) something that gives good bang per buck? Right now I have a socket 939 mobo, and RAM so for me it would be just the CPU upgrade.

If you or mozz can recommend a good value package for those 3 components, some people that is gonna upgrade the whole system would be happy with the Intel system.

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AMD doesn't have a low-cost dual core
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True, and I'm quite suprised that Intel have released something that is a (comparatively) high-end part for so little cash.

If I point out that that appears to be a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to make people go intel Around that price point, will I be accused of being a fanboy? Bah, who cares, that's certainly the way it looks from this angle....

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I'm rather surprised too, but I think Intel is on the defensive, so they price the product so that it will sell. That way they can reach a 'critical mass' so to speak of dual cores and drive the market that direction.

It sure seems like a knee-jerk reaction, but how many people that aren't true AMD fanbois care? If I was my neighbor who uses their computer a lot, and you can get a dual core PC for just a little more than a single-core PC, it sure sounds good to me... And that's what Intel is counting on. I don't think the "unwashed masses"<tic> will dissapoint either.

Mike.

<font color=blue>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside the dog its too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue>
 
Ask and ye shall receive: (newegg wishlists suck! 😡 )
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131538" target="_new">Asus P5LD2</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819116213" target="_new">Pentium D820</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146370" target="_new">Mushkin matched DDR2-533 2x512Mb</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125156" target="_new">Gigabyte GF6600GT</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817104934" target="_new">FSP 500Watt PSU</A>
<b>Total: 715.50 + shipping (around $20)</b>

Just add a case, HDD, keyboard/mouse, etc. (all things that are identical or personal preference between AMD/Intel rigs).

For comparison, here's an AMD rig:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813130491" target="_new">MSI K8N Neo4-F</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103547" target="_new">AMD A64X2-4200+</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146299" target="_new">Mushkin value DDR400 2x512Mb</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125156" target="_new">Gigabyte GF6600GT</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817104963" target="_new">FSP 400Watt PSU</A>
<b>Total: 974.48 + shipping</b>

Same additions required.

In both cases you could go with no-name or lower cost stuff and save some (maybe $30 total unless you skimped on the PSU). I didn't look too closely at the details (so maybe I grabbed the wrong $75 PSU or similar) I just quickly picked the lowest-cost name-brand type item in each list. I'll edit to make corrections if updates are called for.

Mike.

<font color=blue>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside the dog its too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by fishmahn on 07/06/05 11:09 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Can't check your NewEgg Selections without knowing your login... And I don't think you really want to post <i>that</i> info on a public forum :lol:

How much were the two deals?

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<font color=red>"Life is <i>not</i> like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapeńos - what you do today might burn your a<b></b>ss tommorrow."
 
I am kind of upset on how they did one of the benchmarks. They mentioned that when running 4 programs, the P4 had an advantage due to HT, so they turned it off and AMD then won our by 20-30%.
HT is something that you have ON because you paid good money for it. It is worth noting that it actually works very well, not how much better the other CPU is if HT is disabled.

On the other hand, I think it perfectly reasonable to recompile the XviD codec, LAME, and some other stuff in 64-bit mode and run it on the AMD. If it works better than Intel w/ HT, then we know which processor is better.
 
Gah, I shared them so I assumed they'd be workable... I'll edit and fix them...somehow 😱 715.50 for the intel, and 974.48 for amd. Umm, a couple more details, FSP PSUs (400 for amd, 500 for Intel), Asus P5LD2 mobo for Intel, MSI K8N Neo4-F for AMD (about the lowest cost 'real mfg' boards), Mushkin Value RAM 2x512mb, and Gigabyte 6600GT.

Mike.

<font color=blue>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside the dog its too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue>
 
Well that's stupid... 😡

I logged out of Newegg and can view the wishlist from their wishlist page, but the same url entered manually (cut/paste) goes to the login page. Now that's a useful service. [/sarcasm]

Mike.

<font color=blue>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside the dog its too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue>
 
Hmm... based around those numbers it certainly seems attractive. Of course to build an Intel rig which has similar power you'd need either the 830 or 840 so there'd not be that huge gulf in price... But of course taking overclocking into account it certainly makes that chip a steal.

If I had to build a system for under $800 (although I'm a Brit so dollars are not what I'd use, but you know what I mean) then I might be tempted to go Intel, just to get Dual core... Although I might still be put off by the heat - as if I only had $800 to spend it doesn't leave much over to get a decent cooling solution. Guess it totally depends on what I'd want the rig for.

All that aside, unless AMD bring out a competing part, this has gotta be the winner for Dual Core Price/Performance though.

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<font color=red>"Life is <i>not</i> like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapeńos - what you do today might burn your a<b></b>ss tommorrow."
 
In case you already looked, I edited my post to post details instead of link to newegg wishlist.

Mike.

<font color=blue>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside the dog its too dark to read.
-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue>
 
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