- May 20, 2012
- 1,883
- 1
- 12,460
- Status
- Oct 22, 2013
- 20,976
- 1,024
- 88,990
Looking at that specific Super Flower and what the specs are would i go for the CX unit.The Super Flower has 7 molex connectors and 4 +12V rails,seems like an older design.
Other question might be what is it for,or better what cpu and gpu (if any) are used with it?
Someone Somewhere
Titan
- Sep 23, 2012
- 22,291
- 8
- 84,965
Nothing wrong with 4x 12V rails. It is a little short on the SATA connectors, though.
They're playing silly buggers with including +5VSB and -12V in the 450W total, too - treat it as a 400W.
They're playing silly buggers with including +5VSB and -12V in the 450W total, too - treat it as a 400W.
- Jul 15, 2014
- 22,627
- 9
- 60,960
After some deep thought, I think I find out the cause of all the conflict in the power supply world. Imagine a graph with "knowledge" on the x-axis and "advise" on the y-axis. As your knowledge increases, so does the ability for you to give advise. However, as your knowledge increases, the derivative (rate of change) of the advise you can give decreases. It is as a slope that starts out steep, and eventually smoothens out to near-flat. At one point on the "knowledge/advise curve" is a point which I call the "midway threshold". This is the point at which you have obtained a large amount of knowledge and can give solid advise, but you don't have as much knowledge as those to your right.
Everybody to the left of the midway threshold are people still gaining knowledge. They are students, they are learning about the subject. Does this mean they can't give advise? Not at all! They can give advise on what they know, but cannot give advise on what they don't know. A good "lefty" knows what he does and does not know. A bad "lefty" advises about parts of the subject he has not yet learned about. For instance, if the only thing someone knows about power supplies are which ones can meet their rated wattage without blowing or shutting off from protections, and the ones that cannot meet their rated wattage, that person has the ability to give advise solely upon the subject of certain power supplies meeting their rated wattage. That person, however, should not be giving advise on voltage regulation. These people on the left are known as the "what-ters". They know what is good, what is bad, but don't know why.
Everybody to the right of the midway threshold are those who pursue knowledge at a greater level. They already know the "whats" but they begin to explore the "hows" and "whys". They want to know how everything works. This is where the curve really flattens out. For instance, a "righty" who is studying electric charge passing through a thermistor is probably not going to give PSU advise based upon what he is studying. He is solely learning for the reason of gaining more knowledge. These are the people who become the real experts.
Those in the middle are sort of the greatest advisers at all. They are not filled with so much knowledge that they cannot communicate to "newbies", but they have sufficient knowledge to communicate in an understandable way and advise people new to the subject. Those on the right side end up getting into too much technical detail and lose the ability to relate to the students on the left side. Those in the middle can relate to both sides, but are the greatest advisers.
The people on the right side are the informed, and they are supposed to teach the misinformed. There are two types of "righties", those with arrogance and those without arrogance. Those with arrogance have pride about their knowledge. These are the greatest criticizers of all. Those without arrogance, these are the greatest teachers of all. They do not bathe in their pride, but focus on informing the misinformed. The problem is, there are too many people who have a lot of knowledge and are arrogant. If the misinformed can only be informed by the informed, why is it that the informed criticize the misinformed for being misinformed?
We can reach a greater harmony if those with more knowledge seek to spread that knowledge in a relatable fashion to new people on the subject. If that happens, everyone becomes informed, and there is less violence in the power supply discussions. Those who get joy out of telling people they are wrong about PSUs should be sorrowful, because it is their job to be the teachers. A good teacher does not yell at his student, and a good teacher is supposed to teach.
Everybody to the left of the midway threshold are people still gaining knowledge. They are students, they are learning about the subject. Does this mean they can't give advise? Not at all! They can give advise on what they know, but cannot give advise on what they don't know. A good "lefty" knows what he does and does not know. A bad "lefty" advises about parts of the subject he has not yet learned about. For instance, if the only thing someone knows about power supplies are which ones can meet their rated wattage without blowing or shutting off from protections, and the ones that cannot meet their rated wattage, that person has the ability to give advise solely upon the subject of certain power supplies meeting their rated wattage. That person, however, should not be giving advise on voltage regulation. These people on the left are known as the "what-ters". They know what is good, what is bad, but don't know why.
Everybody to the right of the midway threshold are those who pursue knowledge at a greater level. They already know the "whats" but they begin to explore the "hows" and "whys". They want to know how everything works. This is where the curve really flattens out. For instance, a "righty" who is studying electric charge passing through a thermistor is probably not going to give PSU advise based upon what he is studying. He is solely learning for the reason of gaining more knowledge. These are the people who become the real experts.
Those in the middle are sort of the greatest advisers at all. They are not filled with so much knowledge that they cannot communicate to "newbies", but they have sufficient knowledge to communicate in an understandable way and advise people new to the subject. Those on the right side end up getting into too much technical detail and lose the ability to relate to the students on the left side. Those in the middle can relate to both sides, but are the greatest advisers.
The people on the right side are the informed, and they are supposed to teach the misinformed. There are two types of "righties", those with arrogance and those without arrogance. Those with arrogance have pride about their knowledge. These are the greatest criticizers of all. Those without arrogance, these are the greatest teachers of all. They do not bathe in their pride, but focus on informing the misinformed. The problem is, there are too many people who have a lot of knowledge and are arrogant. If the misinformed can only be informed by the informed, why is it that the informed criticize the misinformed for being misinformed?
We can reach a greater harmony if those with more knowledge seek to spread that knowledge in a relatable fashion to new people on the subject. If that happens, everyone becomes informed, and there is less violence in the power supply discussions. Those who get joy out of telling people they are wrong about PSUs should be sorrowful, because it is their job to be the teachers. A good teacher does not yell at his student, and a good teacher is supposed to teach.
- Jul 15, 2014
- 22,627
- 9
- 60,960
Yeah, I read through the whole Jonnyguru mishap some pages ago. He was being arrogant. He does not know everything in the world about power supplies either. I don't think anyone does. Rather than trying to share his knowledge, he criticized others.
The only way to make a Tier List that people cannot utter a word of despise against is one that has a completely mathematical basis by which tiers are placed. If ripple is within x amount, it goes to this tier. Voltage regulation x amount, this tier. Etc. And so forth, and then everything is rounded. One can argue against a human mind, but one cannot argue against mathematical placement. It simply "is what it is" because the math is the math. Facts cannot be argued against. Trees exist. 1=1. And if something is placed into a tier in accordance with its data relative to a table, then people have only to respect the mathematics.
- Dec 26, 2012
- 30,759
- 4,553
- 142,790
The most dangerous person in the world is someone with just an inkling of knowledge. What's amazing to me is the amount of times a single person will be in that scenario. It's one of many reasons I like this list, its like throwing a bucket of water on a 1/2 ton of dynamite. Even the truly dangerous can read.
- Aug 27, 2013
- 22,421
- 14
- 84,965
Honestly, the simple fact that none of us can even agree on how to make a tier list... should be a good indicator of it not being possible to please everybody.
If anything, I believe that a tier list should be extremely simplified. I'll never have time to make one, but if I did, it would have 3 tiers. Above average, average, and below average. Tier 1 would be recommended for power users, tier 2 is aimed at light office uses, and tier 3 would be non recommended for any use. I know that even that list would not please everybody. I think over complicating it only gives more room for critiquing.
If anything, I believe that a tier list should be extremely simplified. I'll never have time to make one, but if I did, it would have 3 tiers. Above average, average, and below average. Tier 1 would be recommended for power users, tier 2 is aimed at light office uses, and tier 3 would be non recommended for any use. I know that even that list would not please everybody. I think over complicating it only gives more room for critiquing.
- Jul 15, 2014
- 22,627
- 9
- 60,960
Darkbreeze
Retired Mod
- Jun 24, 2014
- 82,629
- 8,300
- 176,790
I think there should be ten tiers.
Really, really, really good
Really, really good
Really good,
Good
Kind of sort of somewhat above average
Just about aver.........nah, just yanking your chain.
Really, really, really good
Really, really good
Really good,
Good
Kind of sort of somewhat above average
Just about aver.........nah, just yanking your chain.
- Jul 15, 2014
- 22,627
- 9
- 60,960
I see the 400W XFX XT sells for $30. Good option for budget? Has there been a review on any of these yet besides what Orion checked? Seems like you get what you pay for.
- Jul 15, 2014
- 22,627
- 9
- 60,960
If anything, the quality of all but the 750W GQ seem on-par or better than the GS, and since the GS is Tier 1, it's no surprise the GQ is. Looking back on my own list, I made the 850W and 1000W Tier 1, and the 650W Tier 2. The 750W was farther down. I know if the 850W and 1000W were Tier 1 on my list, that means 100% Japanese caps, fantastic ripple suppression and voltage regulation.
Darkbreeze
Retired Mod
- Jun 24, 2014
- 82,629
- 8,300
- 176,790
pianoplayer88key
Distinguished
- Dec 4, 2006
- 101
- 0
- 18,680
I was catching up on some of the posts in this thread, and noticed this post. It reminded me of a couple things. One, I think I've seen him mention on his site that he's trying to make money from PSU reviews, but I don't remember for sure. If that is true... then I could understand it'd be easy for him to criticize, and easy for him to not share his knowledge on how to test them, how they work, etc, because ...
Two - I'll quote below a few things I've read about money and how it can affect people, and at least one saying about using your abilities to help others. (I won't be using quote tags though.)
Mod edit: Let's keep your version of profundity out of the power supply thread please.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2258513/policy-grapes.html
FYI, I do enjoy the JonnyGuru PSU reviews.
- Status
TRENDING THREADS
-
-
-
Question PC will restart all of a sudden from time to time, without BSODs! Help plz!
- Started by Michael_123
- Replies: 2
-
-
-
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram