Rolling Back From Windows 10 To Your Older OS Appears Problematic

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Actually, that's not true at all in most cases.

EULA for Windows 10 (4.b) explicitly allow us to transfer license to another PC if we upgraded from Retail copy of Windows 7/8.1. Here is the quote:

"If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you".
 
The rollback feature, in my opinion, is broken. I think it's intentionally broken as well so you have to stay with Windows 10, since that's what they clearly WANT you to be using. I've attempted rollbacks on three systems, and have been involved in threads with about fifteen systems, and none of them has been able to successfully roll back to the previous OS, requiring reinstallation of the old OS manually. Now, that's just my experience, but I'm seeing almost every thread related to reverting to the old OS as having failed in some fashion. I say this stinks like dry fish pond.
 

I am not surprised either. this am I went online about aproblem with malware on this website. I shut my computer down.
last evening I turned the pc on, and oila the malware is not doing its dirty tricks. I d are anyone to to tell me that Big Brother(Microsoft) IS NOT MONITORING OUR USAGE.

 
I upgraded my HP laptop on July 29 and had a good experience for two weeks. Then 10 crashed and I was able to rollback to 8.1. However, with 8.1 I had a consistent dotnet error message which was an annoyace and found no workable fixes so upgraded again to 10. Soon the OS had a blinking screen problem at startup that effectively disabled the machine. Windows 10 fastboot seemed to hamper my ability to recover (why fastboot in the time of ssds) I had to resort to recovery media and do a fresh install of 8 and then go through all the updates. I am gun shy about upgrading again and nothing in the two weeks of use compels me to try again. However, shouldI try again, I will create a Macrium image for Windows 8.1 recovery and a dual boot setup with Linux Mint with the boot loader on the same partition, and also have a usb drive with an Ubuntu persistent installation. I keep all my data on removable drives. I am hopeful that these steps will allow the continued use of this computer in the event of Windows OS problems.
 
Having dealt with Microsoft since the 1980's I had a VERY good idea of what to expect from them. I did a FULL backup of my system before committing to Windows 10. I have also found that Mozilla is making a lot of noise over a minor issue. It is more difficult to set a 3rd party browser as the default, but not impossible. I quit using Firefox years ago anyway as it because WAY to unstable and unpredictable for me to count on for regular use. I have been a mostly happy Chrome user since then...
 
Actually, it's not hard at all. Simply set the checkbox in whichever browser version you are using next to "Always check to see if this is the default browser" or whatever is similar, FF, Chrome and IE all have it, and then close and re-open the browser. It will ask and you can say yes. Done deal.
 
Upgraded my Dell N5010 win7 laptop to Windows 10. Initially I loved it. Then I found it disabled my bluetooth entirely (unsupported drivers by Dell). Now I get latency stuttering occasionally when listening to Spotify and surfing the web. I am considering downgrading back to 7. Tell me why I should not. I can get a usb bluetooth, but would like to know if this audio stuttering will eventually stop as they push new updates. (LatencyMon shows that the rsplll64.sys is causing the biggest DPC latency). Thanks
 
Drivers, drivers and more drivers. Driver releases are happening daily, so unless it's something you can't live with for a short while, I'd wait and see if drivers are released. If it's extremely old hardware, it may never get updated drivers. I'd also check the actual hardware manufacturers website rather than just the OEM unit manufacturers website, meaning, for example, checking the Realtek website versus just relying on HP for a unit that has a Realtek network adapter, etc.
 
Yes, BUT, Microsoft has a really bad habit of fixing things that are not broken... The process was fine as is and with each release of Windows, it will change requiring a whole new learning curve... Very, very bad form. That is one of the main reasons businesses are loath to upgrade to newer versions of Windows. Unlike you and I, they have to contend with training hundreds, or thousands, of employees on the new procedures, processes, UIs, etc. This is one of the main reasons Microsoft is losing the desktop war and will ultimately become totally insignificant.
 
If checking one box on each machine requires retraining of their employees, both the IT department AND the employees should be replaced with somebody who has basic fundamental computer skills, as training should not be required to make a single change to browser preferences, if in fact using a browser is even part of their work routine. In most jobs, it is not.
 
You and I can banter back and forth all day/night long... From the sounds of it, you have never actually worked in IT. I HAVE for many years and I am telling you that the average computer person (not developer, not power user) will need some retraining to handle Windows 10. Would you like to see my roll-out plan for 10,000 employees? If you have never had to support 10,00 PC users, then give it up, you, and Microsoft, are fighting a losing battle!
 
Sure, whatever. The point was in regard to selecting a default browser, not with windows in general. I'm skeptical as well of somebody working in IT with a user name like windows7novice, but I'll take your word for it.
 


Interesting.
My user base of (currently 150,000) seemed to have little problem going from Win 98, to Win2000, to XP, to Vista, to 7, to 8/8.1.

People are not THAT stupid. It doesn't take that much. People don't use the OS, they use applications. Often custom, in house applications. Some web based, some MS Office based, some...other. Those things are what needs changing. Which would be the case with any major OS change.

And to change the default browser on every one of those 150,000 boxes requires changing setting on one....the box that controls the GPO.

'Losing the desktop war'? Show me a comparable software stack that integrates as well as AD/Office/Windows/etc/etc.
Many companies/organizations have decades of legacy info. Not easily changed to some new platform.
See the issues Munich had from dumping Windows to go to Linux. Oh wait...they're going back to Windows.
 
And when it comes to Microsoft, there are rarely any "battles". It's more like, they crush any opposition, and move on. 75 million downloads in less than a month pretty much indicates to me that there is no battle to be fought, and if there was, they are definitely, and without any doubt, winning it.
 


I find it interesting that there are a lot of people in IT that seem to forget about, or seem to not know of, GPO. It is amaziung what you can control with it.

For example, in a normal IT scenario users are set to standard with IT and higher ups (normally CEOs, CFOs etc and sometimes even not) administrators. With that setup you can set GPO to not allow USB devices to install (except Mice/Keyboards of course) unless the person logged in is an administrator. As well you can set it to allow certain devices, say a camera for the marketing department.

As well you can control and set multiple things in IE with GPO (one of the benefits of IE) or set it to default certain applications.

Yet so many forget about think it is hard to roll anything out.

At my work we have gotten most of our people off XP/Vista and on 7. We are not as large as yours but we have plenty of people on 8.1, and changing more every week, and they don't seem to have an issue using it as we have GPO set it to boot to desktop and most apps are pinned to the taskbar or on the desktop. And the people in our organization (we are a construction/aggregate company) are not the sharpest tools in the shed by far.

And I don't see a viable competitor for the desktop market. They still have over 90% of the desktop market with Mac taking up maybe 7% and Linux the rest.

I do envy you though. Wish I had as many years experience in the field.
 


 


I upgraded my wife's 8.1 and my 7 to 10. This was only one week following the first day it was offered. Hers had virtually no problems at all. Mine, on the other hand, had so many issues that after about 4 days I rolled back to 7. My laptop is now 3 years old and I've decided it's best to just wait until I need another system. It appears that several are having difficulty going from 7 to 10. It seems that Windows 8, with the introduction of apps, handles the upgrade with few issues. I think there will be several hardware providers who focus more on the 8-10 upgrade than on the 7-10.
 

shouldn't even take that much effort really. if it's networked like most offices it should only take a few separate systems being setup correctly. if IT can't handle that, you are correct, they should be fired and given bad references from now on.
only problems we ever have is when the software being run inside of Windows gets updated and overhauled that anyone has to be trained in anything over again.
 
The only issue I've had going from 7 to 10 is my Thunderbird email application is not regularly checking for new messages. All other functionality appears intact.
The point about the AD/Windows/Office stack is well-taken. The dominance of Windows in the Enterprise environment can probably be summarized with one term: GPO. My biggest gripe with it is that it is one of the things ("cloud" computing being the other) that is turning the PC into a terminal again. In the early days, decision-makers could use the unique characteristics of personal systems to assist them to stand out, whereas now the PC is becoming an ubiquitous corporate tool, not much different from the typewriter was in the 40's and 50's, except that everyone is expected to use one, not just a secretarial pool or Accounting.
 


I did 7 Pro to 10 Pro for my HTPC. It had no issues and it isn't even that top of the line. Probably because short of PowerDVD and KLite with VLC I don't have much on it. Just use it to stream and watch movies/TV.
 
How to Fix Infinite Windows 10 Reinstalls After Rollback From a W7/W8 W10 "Upgrade" and Fixing Other Rollback Issues

I just had a client who unwittingly allowed W10 to "upgrade" her W7 system. She asked me to roll W10 back to W7 because W10 was so fundamentally broken and slow it was unusable. Here's my story of that rollback.

First, the W10 All Settings menu was broken right from the get go after the W10 "upgrade", so until I fixed that, it was impossible to access Update and Security to perform the rollback.

Looking at Event Viewer, every time I tried to open All Settings, SynTPEnh.exe, one of the Synaptics touchpad driver helper programs, crashed.

Figuring that was causing the problem, I removed the Synaptics touchpad item from add/remove. For good measure, while I was at it, I removed Norton, figuring that might be problematic, as well as a few other applications like icloud, quicktime, and itunes, figuring they would be restored during the rollback anyway. Turns out that was a HUGE mistake though the rollback would have been impossible without removing at least the Synaptics software.

At any rate, after rebooting after removing all of this stuff, All Settings started functioning for the first time, and I could perform the rollback with Update and Security.

And then the nightmare began.

First, rolling back did not undo the original W10 reservation, so no matter what I did, I could not keep W10 from redownloading and reattempting to reinstall. Searching the web, I found no solution, but did find MANY people nearly in tears with the same problem. Looking at how all this works, it looks to me like probably everyone who rolled back from W10 is going to find that their reservation does not get cancelled and that W10 is going to attempt to reinstall forever.

But I finally came up with a solution that I think should work to solve this problem for everyone.

1. Make a Restore Point for insurance.

2. From the Start Menu -> All Programs -> Accessories, start a cmd window in Administrative mode by right clicking Command Prompt to expose the context sensitive drop down menu and left click on "Run as Administrator". Leave the cmd window open for subsequent commands, and after each reboot, immediately reopen cmd in Administrator mode like this for subsequent commands.

3. Set automatic updates to Never check for updates: cut & paste into the open cmd window:

REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto Update" /v AUOptions /t REG_DWORD /d 00000001 /f

4. Disable and stop the Windows Update service (wuauserv): cut & paste into the open cmd window:

sc config wuauserv start= disabled

(note that the space after "=" is critical)

When that's done, cut and paste into the open cmd window:

net stop wuauserv

5. Now remove KB3035583: cut & paste into the open cmd window::

wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /norestart

Note, at this time, if you wish to go ahead and remove the recent plethora of W10 spyware that Microsoft has installed on your W7/W8 systems, you can repeat the above command as follows:

wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:3012973 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart
wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978 /norestart

(Note that not all of these will be on all systems.)

6. Restart the system. Note that sometimes after removing the above updates, the restart can take a LONG time, sometimes even hours; be patient, it should eventually complete.

7. Now delete C:\$WINDOWS.~BT via cleanmgr ("cleanmgr" cut and pasted into the cmd window), using its Clean Up System Files option which appears after cleanmgr makes its initial (lengthy) scan. After the second (lengthy) scan from using the Clean Up System Files option, you'll see one or two of the categories showing +GB sizes, though you can pretty much safely check all the categories for deletion if you wish (though I tend to leave the setup logs and error categories alone so you can see these in Event Viewer). Good instructions for doing this can be found at addictivetips DOT com/windows-tips/what-is-the-windows-bt-folder-on-my-hard-drive/

8. Delete the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution folder, which btw can't be deleted without first doing Step 4. Also, don't worry: when you eventually restart Updates, SoftwareDistribution will be recreated.

Cut & paste into the cmd window:

rmdir /s /q "%SystemRoot%\SoftwareDistribution"

9. Fire up regedit from the cmd window, and search for and remove all keys named GWX (and gwx). An easy way to do this is to use the match whole string option of regedit's search box. Also the search is case insensitive so all GWX/gwx will be found in one search no matter which way you type it. There will be 4-6 instances of this key in the registry.

10. Still in regedit, clear out all keys and values from HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate EXCEPT what's shown below. If the optional ElevateNonAdmins or NoAUAsDefaultShutdownOption don't exist, ignore. If DisableOSUpgrade doesn't exist (and it probably won't) create it as a DWORD with value 1.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"ElevateNonAdmins"=dword:00000001
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
"NoAUAsDefaultShutdownOption"=dword:00000001

11. Still in regedit, clear out all keys and values from HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade except what's shown below. If DWORD values AllowOSUpgrade or ReservationsAllowed don't exist or have values of "1", create them and/or set to "0". Set DWORD OSUpgradeState to "1". Don't worry about OSUpgradeStateTimeStamp.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade]
"AllowOSUpgrade"=dword:00000000
"ReservationsAllowed"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade\State]
"OSUpgradeState"=dword:00000001
"OSUpgradeStateTimeStamp"="2015-09-10 05:15:58"

12. Reboot

13. Set automatic updates to: Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them: cut & paste into the open cmd window:

REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto Update" /v AUOptions /t REG_DWORD /d 00000002 /f

14. Re-enable and start the Windows Update service (wuauserv): cut & paste into the open cmd window:

sc config wuauserv start= auto

(note that the space after "=" is critical)

When that's done, cut and paste into the open cmd window:

net start wuauserv

15. Now check for updates via Windows Update in Control Panel, and you should no longer see Windows 10 try to download and install, but instead normal W7/W8 updates should be working again. Be sure to uncheck KB3035583 (and any of the others you remove in Step 5), and then right click on them and select Hide, so they will never come back.


However, for me, the REAL nightmare began!

As it turns out, when you roll back from W10, the old W7/W8 registry is restored but NOT any modified and/or deleted Program files. Thus, there's a complete mismatch between the restored W7/W8 registry and any programs altered or deleted when in W10.

In my case, after the rollback to W7, icloud, Norton 360, Quicktime, iturns, Citrix and others had registry entries as if installed, but all of the installation files were missing.

Naturally, none of these would reinstall because of the (corrupted) apparent pre-existing installation, and of course they couldn't be uninstalled since the uninstaller files were missing.

So I used several tools such as zuninstaller and Windows Cleanup Utility to remove the Add/Remove objects, and manually removed other entries from HKLM/SOFTWARE. ccleaner might have been very helpful here, but I don't really trust it.

But worse, thousands of the "restored" registry entries had been corrupted in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\Components by having no ownership! Thus they could not be overwritten when reinstalling the programs.

I spent hours using powerful features in Registrar Registry Manager (RRM) Home Edition to find these keys and remove them in bulk. RRM was particularly vital because it could remove the no-owner keys, whereas regedit could not. Basically, once I found a bad key in Components, I did a search for all instances of that key in Components and then did a bulk delete with RRM.

Eventually, I was able to reinstall the programs I had uninstalled in W10.

Bottom line, Windows 10 itself is an absolute and total travesty, and rolling it back is likely to be a complete nightmare. Windows 10 is BY FAR the worst OS ever made by Microsoft, much worse than even W8.x, because W8.x can be made to behave pretty decently with Classic Shell and a few other tweaks, and does not have half the programs moved into the dumbed-down app mode and half the controls split beteen Control Panel and half in the dumbed-down app mode All Settings.
 
I liked win10 but was incompatible with some of my hardware and did not allow me to stream from any folder - so I rolled back to win 7 pro 64 only to lose LAN connectivity completely. Troubleshooter just stoically states that there might be a problem with my networking controller and regardless what I am doing and how often I install the motherboard drivers and updates it does not go away. I really do not want to go through a clean install - any suggestions???

Tom
 
The thing is, in some ways I liked Windows 10, but others it was bad. The "Start Menu" wasn't quite right. The way things were displayed made it a mess. My main issue was with compatibility with Blizzard games, which really isn't on MS, but I couldn't even get past the first menu, I even tried changing the settings to everything on lowest, but no avail. I really like Windows 7, it fills all my needs, and until Blizzard gets this straightened out, I wont be upgrading back to 10.
 
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