Salary of retired US Presidents

[jaquith]

You want me to disagree that people are Dumb?! When they get tossed in the street when they're sick and have no social security -- then maybe they'll brighten-up...

Hmm I've had my fill of looking at those two morons on the top of this post so you want to add more?!

RAW:
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[COLGeek]

Imagine a network of local bio-fuel production companies literally spread across the nation. Jobs could be created at the local level and distribution of derived fules would have much shorter lines. Also consider adding solar panels, even small ones, to nearly every south-facing rooftop. Wind generators, wave generators, etc...the list goes on. Lots of "little" things that when combined could make a huge difference.

The impediments? The auto industry, the oil industry, Congress.....

Just think of the possibilities. BTW, which major US politician campaigned on this sort of plan during the last presindential primaries? Virtual "beer" prize to the winner.

 

[verbalizer]

Imagine a network of local bio-fuel production companies literally spread across the nation. Jobs could be created at the local level and distribution of derived fules would have much shorter lines. Also consider adding solar panels, even small ones, to nearly every south-facing rooftop. Wind generators, wave generators, etc...the list goes on. Lots of "little" things that when combined could make a huge difference.

The impediments? The auto industry, the oil industry, Congress.....

Just think of the possibilities. BTW, which major US politician campaigned on this sort of plan during the last presindential primaries? Virtual "beer" prize to the winner.

I'm in..

 

[jaquith]

I've seen offices powered by those LNG fuel cell reactors 'power stations' and they are very nice There are both methane and hydrogen fuel cells.

My hope is that we go to renewable and non CO2 or net 0 CO2 producing fuel sources after oil.

Small enough; this one is powered by Hydrogen:

 

[wanamingo]

Imagine a network of local bio-fuel production companies literally spread across the nation. Jobs could be created at the local level and distribution of derived fules would have much shorter lines. Also consider adding solar panels, even small ones, to nearly every south-facing rooftop. Wind generators, wave generators, etc...the list goes on. Lots of "little" things that when combined could make a huge difference.

The impediments? The auto industry, the oil industry, Congress.....

Just think of the possibilities. BTW, which major US politician campaigned on this sort of plan during the last presindential primaries? Virtual "beer" prize to the winner.

You underestimate how stupid some people are. In Jersey (I know) they had an initiative to place solar panels on all telephone poles in the city. People complained so much about the "Eyesore" they ended up removing most of them. Same thing with wind, one of the towns near me was going to have a series of windmills on an uninhabited bit of mountain and after seeing an artist rendering of the project(I think only 100 homes would be able to view them) people flipped their shite and now its stalled.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/science/earth/28solar.html?pagewanted=all

 

[jaquith]

Yeah those poles & wires are already so attractive - who'd want to obscure those?

 

[COLGeek]

Being stupid will work right up to the time folks are sitting in the dark or walking everywhere. We are way overdue, as a Nation and a world, to continue as we are today. Especially when we can be better and smarter.

Easy to say these things, I know, and MUCH harder to do something about (there are all those stupid people to deal with), but worth the effort in my mind.

Thanks, to all, for the illuminating discussions. HOOAH!!!

 

[jaquith]

You know what would be really a 'Good Idea' is to have a side-by-side 'Grid' comparing candidates populated with critical data; examples:

Major Contributions & Contributors including Lobbyist, Education + GPA, Budget Plan Summary {P&L}, Job Creation Plan, Deficit Reduction Plan, Tax Changes, Foreign Trade Plan, War, Social programs, Energy Policy, Voting Records, BIO, Background/Fact Checking, Proposed Law Changes, etc

 

[COLGeek]

You know what would be really a 'Good Idea' is to have a side-by-side 'Grid' comparing candidates populated with critical data; examples:

Major Contributions & Contributors including Lobbyist, Education + GPA, Budget Plan Summary {P&L}, Job Creation Plan, Deficit Reduction Plan, Tax Changes, Foreign Trade Plan, War, Social programs, Energy Policy, Voting Records, BIO, Background/Fact Checking, Proposed Law Changes, etc

Agreed, if the sources were reputable.

BTW, the ideas I expressed earlier were those of Hillary Clinton (local bio-fuel facilties for energy production and jobs) during her run for the White House in 2008.

 

[jaquith]

Hence ->>> "Background/Fact Checking" a carefully chosen third party firm to orchestrate all the data.

Old 2008 limited grid -> http://www.grist.org/candidate_chart_08.html
2012 Presidential grid {if you can read through the BS} -> http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/

 

[Gulli]

You know, this discussion is helping me decide what I want to be when I "grow up" and retire in a couple of years. I have been toying with the idea of going into the alternative energy industry for a while now.

The US tends to lead in the development of these technologies, we just don't implement them well. Seems this is an opportunity waiting to happen....Anybody else interested?

That would be China and Germany actually. America doesn't even have underground power lines in many areas. Solar power is the way to go, but current energy corporations don't like people starting out on their own and so do their best to block as much of it as possible.

 

[verbalizer]

smoke a 'phatty' and listen to some tunes, do a little computing and if not too hot then go outside enjoy the weather since cloudy, not too hot...

 

[dogman_1234]

What do you do when it's cloudy?

Fire up the fusion reactor in your garage! 😀

 

[jaquith]

What do you guys think about China? Examples: 26% of all foreign-held US Treasury securities, Trade, Wages, Job Loss, and most importantly their hold on the US {balls}, MFN 'Most Favored Nation', etc ... concerns?

I've got my opinions and what 'I' think we need to do, but I'm trying to figure out what others think and know.

 

[COLGeek]

What do you do when it's cloudy?

Sing a little song? Or....just draw power from the alternate alternative sources all connected to a "smart grid".

"Rain, rain. Go away. I need to play some Xbox today......."

 

[Gulli]

What do you do when it's cloudy?

Can you see sh*t when it's cloudy? Yes you can, so there's still light when it's cloudy. Also there are these things called batteries and "selling back to the grid".

 

[Gulli]

China :
Failed communism ? Sucking away the gigantic amount of exports the US had and used to become a Superpower shortly after WWII ?

What to save the US :
Start being self sufficient on all fronts ?
Stop corporate greed from out-sourcing ?
Find a way to prevent republicans from blocking any Obama plan to save America just because it's Obama.
Increase import tax ? which would technically kick the corporations' ass, but would make foreign import less attractive ?

Im outta ideas...........

How about just accepting our losses and focus on sectors that can't be outsourced? And oh yeah, wait for the day corporations will start outsorcing from China when the Chinese start demanding their rights.

 

[verbalizer]

sell back to the grid...
I like that.
use to be able to sell electricity back to the power company in the late 70's and early 80's in upstate NY, not sure about now.
our neighbor had a wind-turbine in his backyard, every now and then he would get a check instead of a bill in the mail.
apparently the generator that stored the electricity had a link for the local power company to connect..
and this was back in the days..
pretty cool then and way cool now if still possible.

 

[verbalizer]

did you see the Chinese people @ the China vs Georgetown basketball game.?
15 Georgetown players against the Chinese team and the crowd..
not cool.

 

[Gulli]

sell back to the grid...
I like that.
use to be able to sell electricity back to the power company in the late 70's and early 80's in upstate NY, not sure about now.
our neighbor had a wind-turbine in his backyard, every now and then he would get a check instead of a bill in the mail.
apparently the generator that stored the electricity had a link for the local power company to connect..
and this was back in the days..
pretty cool then and way cool now if still possible.

It's possible in Germany and Belgium, not sure about the US, it probably depends on the state. Not allowing it would be really stupid because it discourages alternative energy, but then again that's just the way the energy corporations like it...

 

[dogman_1234]

sell back to the grid...
I like that.
use to be able to sell electricity back to the power company in the late 70's and early 80's in upstate NY, not sure about now.
our neighbor had a wind-turbine in his backyard, every now and then he would get a check instead of a bill in the mail.
apparently the generator that stored the electricity had a link for the local power company to connect..
and this was back in the days..
pretty cool then and way cool now if still possible.

I think we can still do it today even. Power consumption now has risen so, that check may be small or not even exist, but the bill will be low! 😀

 

[NJGin]

Salary of retired US Presidents .............$180,000 FOR LIFE
Salary of House/Senate .......................$174,00​0 FOR LIFE
Salary of Speaker of the House ............$223,500 FOR LIFE
Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders ...... $193,400 FOR LIFE
Average Salary of a teacher ................ $40,065
Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN $38,000
I think we found where the cuts should be made!

Need to know if this is true and how do I find out???

 

[jaquith]

Google! It's your friend

E.g. Salary of House/Senate -> http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

 

[verbalizer]

revitalization..

 

[amdfangirl]

^ They were elected to not believe in climate change and treat science as a fiction book so big companies can screw the world for a bigger pay bonus to the CEOs of massive TNCs.