[SOLVED] System Upgrade

[rigger922]

Hello Everyone,

So i'm looking to upgrade my system and atm i'm having an hard time choosing which parts to buy. A quick note im looking for hardware for 1080p/1440p gaming not 4k and something thats gonna be future proof/ or partially future proof.

Current Sytem:
CPU - Ryzen 5 2600
GPU- Asus GTX 980Ti
MB- MSI X470 GP
RAM- Corsair Vengence Pro (2x8gb) 3000Mhz
PSU - EVGA Supernova G2 850W
Drives- 1TB WDB HDD (Storage) / Samsung EVO 256GB(Boot Drive) / NVME 500GB Samsung Pro (Gaming Drive)

Parts i am currently looking to upgrade and buy depending on what i decide. (Budget around 1000 GBP) , Side note i have checked my MB bios updates and it has updates for new gen ryzen cpu's / one other concern is my PSU and if it has enough juice calculators online for a ryzen 7 5700x + 6750XT are around 500 w - 600 w required but this is only taking into account the MB/CPU/GPU/RAM and nothing else. on top on this i'm not sure if this is idle or underload.

GPU - GTX 3060Ti /3070TI / RX 6600 XT / 6700 XT / 6750 XT
CPU - Ryzen 5 5600x / Ryzen 7 5700x ( no intel cpu as i have an AM4 Socket MB and AIO
RAM - (Budget Dependent) Add another pair of (2x8gb 3000Mhz ) for a total of 32GB or replace exisiting Ram with i higher Mhz pair bearing my MB is 3466Mhz (overclocked)

 

[CountMike]

Hello Everyone,

So i'm looking to upgrade my system and atm i'm having an hard time choosing which parts to buy. A quick note im looking for hardware for 1080p/1440p gaming not 4k and something thats gonna be future proof/ or partially future proof.

Current Sytem:
CPU - Ryzen 5 2600
GPU- Asus GTX 980Ti
MB- MSI X470 GP
RAM- Corsair Vengence Pro (2x8gb) 3000Mhz
PSU - EVGA Supernova G2 850W
Drives- 1TB WDB HDD (Storage) / Samsung EVO 256GB(Boot Drive) / NVME 500GB Samsung Pro (Gaming Drive)

Parts i am currently looking to upgrade and buy depending on what i decide. (Budget around 1000 GBP) , Side note i have checked my MB bios updates and it has updates for new gen ryzen cpu's / one other concern is my PSU and if it has enough juice calculators online for a ryzen 7 5700x + 6750XT are around 500 w - 600 w required but this is only taking into account the MB/CPU/GPU/RAM and nothing else. on top on this i'm not sure if this is idle or underload.

GPU - GTX 3060Ti /3070TI / RX 6600 XT / 6700 XT / 6750 XT
CPU - Ryzen 5 5600x / Ryzen 7 5700x ( no intel cpu as i have an AM4 Socket MB and AIO
RAM - (Budget Dependent) Add another pair of (2x8gb 3000Mhz ) for a total of 32GB or replace exisiting Ram with i higher Mhz pair bearing my MB is 3466Mhz (overclocked)

R5 5600x should be more than adequate for gaming but is you plan om streaming, 5700x/5800x would do better. Also plan on some good CPU cooler. 5600x comes with barely adequate one and others don't have any while anything just good enough for 2600 is not even close enough.
As for RAM, you'd be better off with new set of 2x8GB of 3600MHz. Don't just ad memory specially when different speeds. If it runs at all it will still run at lower pair's speed.
Your PSU is quite enough for any of those GPUs as rest of system requirements stay same.

 

[rigger922]

R5 5600x should be more than adequate for gaming but is you plan om streaming, 5700x/5800x would do better. Also plan on some good CPU cooler. 5600x comes with barely adequate one and others don't have any while anything just good enough for 2600 is not even close enough.
As for RAM, you'd be better off with new set of 2x8GB of 3600MHz. Don't just ad memory specially when different speeds. If it runs at all it will still run at lower pair's speed.
Your PSU is quite enough for any of those GPUs as rest of system requirements stay same.

I'm not planning on streaming and i won't be using the stock cooler for the cpu , Any advice of the GPU side?

 

[logainofhades]

I still wouldn't recommend anything less than a 5700x, if you are looking for this upgrade to last awhile. To be honest, a 5900x would probably be the best blend of price, and longevity. GPU wise, I would look to an RX 6800/6800xt, over a 3070ti. In just straight up gaming, the 6800xt is faster, and cheaper. Also the 16gb of Vram will help for longevity as well.

 

[rigger922]

I still wouldn't recommend anything less than a 5700x, if you are looking for this upgrade to last awhile. To be honest, a 5900x would probably be the best blend of price, and longevity. GPU wise, I would look to an RX 6800/6800xt, over a 3070ti. In just straight up gaming, the 6800xt is faster, and cheaper. Also the 16gb of Vram will help for longevity as well.

Alright so my budget is 1000 GBP
Combos :

Stronger CPU:
Ryzen 9 5900x - £382.39
AMD RX 6750xt - £528.41
Total = £910.80

Stronger GPU:
Ryzen 7 5800x - £ 314.98
AMD RX 6800xt - £653.47
Total = £ 968.45

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Alright so my budget is 1000 GBP
Combos :

Stronger CPU:
Ryzen 9 5900x - £382.39
AMD RX 6750xt - £528.41
Total = £910.80

Stronger GPU:
Ryzen 7 5800x - £ 314.98
AMD RX 6800xt - £653.47
Total = £ 968.45

What's the price of the 5800x 3d? I'd go for that above the others as it does give a nice boost even over a 5900/5950x in gaming on top of the IPC boost from Zen 2 to Zen 3 CPU's (which in of itself is about 15-20%). if streaming isn't a thing for you, maybe the absolute max FPS (in most games - there are some exxceptions, and lots that don't get any boost from it) with the 5800x 3d is a good option.

Edit: Slightly over budget, but prob worth it if the games you play respond well the the 3d cache.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£397.99 @ Technextday)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 16 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£609.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1007.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 16:12 BST+0100

 

[logainofhades]

Barely in the budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£382.39 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 16 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£609.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £992.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 16:02 BST+0100

I forgot to ask, what cooler are you using?

 

[rigger922]

Barely in the budget.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£382.39 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 16 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£609.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £992.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 16:02 BST+0100

I forgot to ask, what cooler are you using?

Link to cooler
https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categ...Performance-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CW-9060020-WW

 

[CountMike]

5900x would be kinda "lost" on x470 MB, no way to tame it with native Core Optimizer and would require very serious cooling. With APPs/games mostly using up to 4 cores, 5600x would do almost as good (100 or so MHz on single core is not gonna make big deal). Between 5700x and 5800x is also some 100MHz difference, practically nothing in games but much easier to cool and maintain top performance, I went from 3700x to 5800x only because I already had one of top AIO coolers. Without PBO2 and Core Optimization is a struggle keeping it under 90c on a hot day and still have full performance when loaded.

 

[rigger922]

5900x would be kinda "lost" on x470 MB, no way to tame it with native Core Optimizer and would require very serious cooling. With APPs/games mostly using up to 4 cores, 5600x would do almost as good (100 or so MHz on single core is not gonna make big deal). Between 5700x and 5800x is also some 100MHz difference, practically nothing in games but much easier to cool and maintain top performance, I went from 3700x to 5800x only because I already had one of top AIO coolers. Without PBO2 and Core Optimization is a struggle keeping it under 90c on a hot day and still have full performance when loaded.

I would appear based on your conclusion and that of others that a R5 5600x or R7 5700x + 6800xt would be the way to go.

 

[CountMike]

I would appear based on your conclusion and that of others that a R5 5600x or R7 5700x + 6800xt would be the way to go.

Yes, it's not like starting tomorrow games are suddenly going to require 12 cores. when most are more than happy with 4. So, 5600x at minimum or 5700x for easy setup and maintenance with 4cores to spare.

 

[rigger922]

Yes, it's not like starting tomorrow games are suddenly going to require 12 cores. when most are more than happy with 4. So, 5600x at minimum or 5700x for easy setup and maintenance with 4cores to spare.

Alright so my next question is it worth getting a 6800xt over a 6750xt both paired with a 5700x . the reason i ask is that i can then fit the new DIMMs in the budget if i buy a 6750xt and for the record my MB support 3466Mhz+ (overclocked).

 

[CountMike]

Alright so my next question is it worth getting a 6800xt over a 6750xt both paired with a 5700x . the reason i ask is that i can then fit the new DIMMs in the budget if i buy a 6750xt and for the record my MB support 3466Mhz+ (overclocked).

Even with prices going down now, top tier GPUs are not economical, demanding price that doesn't scale with performance of next one or two down the line.

 

[logainofhades]

5900x would be kinda "lost" on x470 MB, no way to tame it with native Core Optimizer and would require very serious cooling. With APPs/games mostly using up to 4 cores, 5600x would do almost as good (100 or so MHz on single core is not gonna make big deal). Between 5700x and 5800x is also some 100MHz difference, practically nothing in games but much easier to cool and maintain top performance, I went from 3700x to 5800x only because I already had one of top AIO coolers. Without PBO2 and Core Optimization is a struggle keeping it under 90c on a hot day and still have full performance when loaded.

Hardware unboxed using a 5800x3d, on a B350 Tomahawk would make me disagree here, as their X470 board has an even better power delivery system. There are already titles that can make use of a 5800x's cores, why would you hamstring yourself for future titles, where that core usage is only going to go up? They want this to last, you don't go and buy for today, you add some future longevity to it.

Alright so my next question is it worth getting a 6800xt over a 6750xt both paired with a 5700x . the reason i ask is that i can then fit the new DIMMs in the budget if i buy a 6750xt and for the record my MB support 3466Mhz+ (overclocked).

Split the difference, and go with the 6800 non xt.

I found a less expensive RX 6800, and threw in a 6700xt, just for you to see price. The 6750xt shouldn't even be considered, after I looked at prices. The 6750xt isn't really much faster, than the vanilla 6700xt.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£382.39 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Fighter OC Video Card (£539.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Fighter Video Card (£423.48 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1345.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 21:43 BST+0100

 

[Vic 40]

Would just look at either the 5700x or the 5800x3D, the last one doesn't cost much more than the 5900x, the first one is not much slower than the 5800x, is the cheapest 8 core and has it's tdp going for it as well as the extra cores over the 5600x (which i agree right now won't mean much in just gaming),

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£397.99 @ Technextday)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Speedster SWFT 319 Video Card (£551.66 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £949.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 21:55 BST+0100

Do make sure the gpu's listed here will fit in your case, cannot say since it isn't mentioned in your partslist. The one in this list is really long.

I know the 5900x has two more cores or 4 more threads don't think they are going to be the decisive factor. Think myself that the extra (faster) cache from the 5800x3D is of more value looking at gaming.

Coming back to the 5700x,

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£265.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£93.99 @ Corsair UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB PULSE Video Card (£639.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £998.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 22:12 BST+0100

With that can you get a better gpu and add 32gb of ram into the budget. Kept it to 3200mhz ram since the motherboard has that ram speed limit. You could try and see if the ram currently owned can be overclocked or that at least timings can be lowered abit, well if you want to go the 5800x3D route.

You will need a serious cpu cooler with the 5800x3D so keep that in mind.

 

[rigger922]

Would just look at either the 5700x or the 5800x3D, the last one doesn't cost much more than the 5900x, the first one is not much slower than the 5800x, is the cheapest 8 core and has it's tdp going for it as well as the extra cores over the 5600x (which i agree right now won't mean much in just gaming),

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£397.99 @ Technextday)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Speedster SWFT 319 Video Card (£551.66 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £949.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 21:55 BST+0100

Do make sure the gpu's listed here will fit in your case, cannot say since it isn't mentioned in your partslist. The one in this list is really long.

I know the 5900x has two more cores or 4 more threads don't think they are going to be the decisive factor. Think myself that the extra (faster) cache from the 5800x3D is of more value looking at gaming.

Coming back to the 5700x,

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor (£265.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£93.99 @ Corsair UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB PULSE Video Card (£639.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £998.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-29 22:12 BST+0100

With that can you get a better gpu and add 32gb of ram into the budget. Kept it to 3200mhz ram since the motherboard has that ram speed limit. You could try and see if the ram currently owned can be overclocked or that at least timings can be lowered abit, well if you want to go the 5800x3D route.

You will need a serious cpu cooler with the 5800x3D so keep that in mind.

Case is a Corsair 750D and any cooler in mind?

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I’d say go for a ryzen 5600 or 5600x. Just picked up a used 5600x for 165 to replace my 3600, so that will soon be going up for sale. Keep in mind my currency is US dollars though.

As far as gpu, I’d go for a 6700xt or better. Right now I’ve got the 6700xt paired up with my 3600 and performance is pretty good at 1080p 144hz. Of course if you can afford more go for it.

Another thing to keep in mind is am4 is only a month or so out now. So you may not want to go all in on a cpu if you plan to make that jump in the next year or so.

Have a look at this video. They talk about the 5800x 3d. According to their tests you can see the 5800x 3d wasn’t much faster compared to the 5800x. They made the point at the end if you are using for example a mid range gpu like a 3070 there was virtually no difference between the 2 cpus. I think the 5700x isn’t even much slower than the 5800x

View: https://youtu.be/kh3AV6FY0DM

 

[Vic 40]

Case is a Corsair 750D and any cooler in mind?

That case has more than enough room for big gpu's

A cpu cooler for a 5800x3D would be something like a 360 aio liquid cooler or maybe a good 280. For air coolers something in the range of a Noctua NH D15.

 

[rigger922]

That case has more than enough room for big gpu's

A cpu cooler for a 5800x3D would be something like a 360 aio liquid cooler or maybe a good 280. For air coolers something in the range of a Noctua NH D15.

So i've decided on my parts for now

CPU - Ryzen 7 5700x 3.4 Ghz 8-Core - £265.00
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB PULSE Video Card (£639.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total cost = £904.89

Bearing this i will try to overclock my current RAM if i can't get a good clock on it i may consider buying the formetioned DIMMS Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£93.99 @ Corsair UK) . On top of this i may consider buying a good 360 AIO as my case can fit one on the front. Furthermore its about £10 more for 5800x then 5700x. Although im pushing away from the 5800x because of increased temps. Ive read even people with custom loops are struggling to keep them cool.

 

[Vic 40]

Don't think you'll need a big cooler like that for the 5700x, something around 50 pounds will do fine. Something like this for instance,

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/dmXnTW/arctic-freezer-34-esports-duo-cpu-cooler-acfre00060a
or
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g

 

[rigger922]

Don't think you'll need a big cooler like that for the 5700x, something around 50 pounds will do fine. Something like this for instance,

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/dmXnTW/arctic-freezer-34-esports-duo-cpu-cooler-acfre00060a
or
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g

My rad should be enough no? - https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/Hydro-Series™-H110i-GTX-280mm-Extreme-Performance-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/p/CW-9060020-WW

 

[Vic 40]

Absolutely.

 

[punkncat]

For what it's worth, if you are in a position to wait a moment you could well find yourself in a position to save a significant amount of money on these parts.

I feel like your upgrade path and desire are well thought, but with the imminent release of the new gen Ryzen there is a good chance that even the 5xxx parts see a (more) significant discount. It's a bit of a chance as 1xxx and 2xxx went for practically pennies on the dollar when the next gen was released. 3xxx took a bit longer, but even at that there were some really desirable deals to be had.

A grand is a lot to spend on what is about to be yesterday's news...just saying.