The ugly truth about Windows 10

[Pr0tEN]

Unstable
Windows 10 is poorly programmed,a mix of source codes from Windows 8 and Windows 7 + a few changes and that's Windows 10,I have tested a lot of Operating systems,From Windows 95 to the latest version of 10,complex software that i used in Windows 7 didn't work at all with Windows 10,
I have experiecnced a lot of weird bugs and problems,from start menu crashes,Windows Store crashes,and installed software that suddenly do not run.
Complex simulations and emulations won't even start.
It also effects games,and the most embarssing thing is the a game from Microsoft themselves crashes because of Windows 10...
and it's Quantum Break:
https://www.vg247.com/2016/04/29/quantum-break-pc-update/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/quantum-break-pc-crash-fix-requires-microsoft-to-u/1100-6439332/
http://community.remedygames.com/forum/games/quantum-break/windows-10-help-issues/262397-display-driver-crash
http://betanews.com/2015/09/15/windows-10-is-shaping-up-to-be-the-most-unstable-release-since-millennium-edition-me/


Windows 10 doesn't care about me
from forcing me to have useless software,to send my data to the microsoft servers for the use of ads,
That data worth money and microsoft just take it from you,with the opearting system you have paid for.
I used Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit which is not targeted from the avearge user,
It has the most features,even more than the pro version and still has the useless software and one drive that in normal ways you can't delete it.
and the updates just do whatever they want...


Conclusion
Windows 10 the most unstable OS i have ever seen,even Windows Vista's code was much better.
I spent more time on fixing problems than using the OS.
After removing all the junk and spying with DWS(http://dws.wzor.net/) The system used less than 1GB of ram on idle,no internet usage with DWS on idle,no stupid pop ups.
even after DWS and disabling manually windows update,I had a problem with the UI...
There are 2 things drom everything- 2 control panels (Settings and Control Panel),2 Music players (Groove music player and Windows media Player)...
Why not having one control panel for everything?,Why all of this mess and confusion?
Why forcing users to use "One drive" and other useless things the uses the system's resources?
I use Windows 7 on all my computers and dual boot with Windows 10 on my main computer for DX12 games only...
I bought almost evey Windows version since Windows 95,
I own: 95,98,XP Proffesional,Vista Home Premium,7 Ultimate,I tested Windows 10 Enterprise in the lab of my work place.
Windows 7 was very stable even from it's early versions,I decided to use the RC version in my main computer until the RT version is released.

 

[James Mason]

[Well what do you say to my multiple functioning Windows 10 machines? All perfectly fine.]


I dont know. What do you expect me to say. Im not a tech but I do think people should think twice about the habitual vocalizing thought best kept to themselves.

If you had even bother to look, you would find that the halved ram is a common issue with an easy fix.
It happens on windows 7 as well.

 

[captaincharisma]

Lol, oh man...where do I begin. I was glad to find this thread though, lol, Ill bet they are easy to find.
Windows 10. Can someone tell me why microsoft would realease an os that doesnt work yet?
I bought a HP Pav G7 2293nr. 18" screen!! 1 terrabite and 8 gig. Now, I only have 4 gig! How does THAT happen!? Lol. None of my games can be installed because the code wont work anymore. And...yes! Very true! Even Microsoft Flight Simmulater...the best PC flight simm as far as I am concerned and !engineered by microsoft!...will start but crashes constantly and cannot be played. And THAT...is a bummer. Sigh microsoft...Shockwave flash and pepperflash crash constantly and make online game playing difficult to impossible and stall normal opperations....theres more...I mean...I bought this gaming laptop and I cant game on it because of windows 10! What a colossal waste of money(I see an x-box in my future). Because of windows 10, I use my gateway nc55 with a 15" screen and 2 gig of ram and 320 gig hd. Thanks a bunch microsoft.

you expected a new operating system to work on of all things an old gateway laptop? smh

 

[Ambular]

So... you use old outdated software and the problem is W10 and not your old outdated software?

@_@, people like you make IT support a nightmare because you're too cheap/afraid upgrade to the latest versions of your software.

You're assuming there is a new, updated version that does everything the OP needs it to do. If developers would stop breaking stuff left and right every time they update, people would be less reluctant to get the new version.

that's the problem with the PC world. there are an infinite number of configurations of hardware and software out there.

just think of how stable and reliable windows would be MS didn't have to worry about keeping backward compatibility with old software/hardware.

I'm just saying, if I could be confident that when I update my software it would fix OS compatibility issues, security vulnerabilities and bugs, but leave the UI and existing features alone, virtually every piece of software I own would be completely up to date right now. Most of them are anyway, but a few break things so often and so badly that I finally gave up and disabled their updaters. That isn't usually Windows' fault, but it does contribute to the problem.

 

[Hlsgsz]

So... you use old outdated software and the problem is W10 and not your old outdated software?

@_@, people like you make IT support a nightmare because you're too cheap/afraid upgrade to the latest versions of your software.

You're assuming there is a new, updated version that does everything the OP needs it to do. If developers would stop breaking stuff left and right every time they update, people would be less reluctant to get the new version.

that's the problem with the PC world. there are an infinite number of configurations of hardware and software out there.

just think of how stable and reliable windows would be MS didn't have to worry about keeping backward compatibility with old software/hardware.

I'm just saying, if I could be confident that when I update my software it would fix OS compatibility issues, security vulnerabilities and bugs, but leave the UI and existing features alone, virtually every piece of software I own would be completely up to date right now. Most of them are anyway, but a few break things so often and so badly that I finally gave up and disabled their updaters. That isn't usually Windows' fault, but it does contribute to the problem.

Things change. In software, with few exceptions, for the better. UI/UX can't be left alone forever. They evolve aswell. The simple fact that you do not update your software.. i'm gonna stop here. Do you also disable Windows update?

 

[spdragoo]

So far, my own personal experience, as well as my in-laws' experiences, with Windows 10 has been fairly smooth sailing. The devices involved:
-- 3 Windows 10 tablets used by my nephews & brother-in-law: no problems whatsoever;
-- brother-in-law's desktop (custom-built PC with FX-8350): no problems with the upgrade
-- my desktop (custom-built PC with FX-8320): no problems with the upgrade
-- my laptop (HP ProBook 4530s): the only problem it had was with a couple of the pre-installed HP programs, which caused a minor hiccup or 2 in the upgrade process. However, since I wasn't using the programs anyway, once I uninstalled them & completed the upgrade I've had zero problems.
-- my mother-in-law's laptop (HP, think it's a DV6 but not 100% sure): my nephew had zero problems getting the upgrade to run, & aside from the usual pitfalls of having to show my mother-in-law how to use the laptop -- which only happens a) when she switches to a new OS (i.e. when she had to learn Windows 7 for the laptop after having been used to Windows XP) or b) when she has to change from using "Program X" to "Program Y", & in both cases is because she's nowhere near as familiar with computers as I am (or my wife, my sisters-in-law, my brothers-in-law, my nephews, etc.) -- there have been zero issues with the laptop & Windows 10.

As the saying goes, YMMV, but usually WYSIWYG. There's a plethora of vendors out there that provide the hardware that goes into Windows-based machines, & their track records for adhering to the standards set by Microsoft for compatibility purposes range from stellar to bottom of the barrel. Expecting Microsoft to have a 100% perfect launch on an OS when they don't control the hardware is laughable -- even Apple can't do it when they control both the hardware & OS in their own ecosystem (or they'd never have to issue OS patches to fix defects & bugs, only "new feature" updates).

 

[TJ Hooker]

My experience is mixed. With my main PC (started on a Z77 platform and moved to Z170 with a GTX 980) Windows 10 was horrid. Constant repairs, errors and such even after clean installs with only basic programs added. Just awful. Went back to Windows 7, zero problems.

On my <mod edit> little HTPC from 2003 with a 3-core AMD and a HD 5450, upgraded to Win 10 for free and no problems.

My only suggestion to people is that if they want to try Windows 10, get a second disk to install it on, so if you don't like it you can just swap back, because once it's sunk its hooks in a drive, the only way to revert your Windows version is a wipe.

Very intresting,,,
It still points that there is some serious problems with Windows 10,some encounter it,some not,
But still complex software from early windows versions are not working on 10,Even in compability mode.

Sometimes people have computer issues. This happens on every OS ever released. A handful of negative anecdotes in no way indicates that there's something fundamentally wrong with Windows 10.

 

[jimmysmitty]

[Well what do you say to my multiple functioning Windows 10 machines? All perfectly fine.]


I dont know. What do you expect me to say. Im not a tech but I do think people should think twice about the habitual vocalizing thought best kept to themselves.

That doesn't quite make any sense. What you said sort of implies that Windows 10 is problematic for everybody's machine, that it is chaotic, crazy, gone wild. But then you have people like me, Rogue Leader, and countless others who have popped into this thread running Windows 10 without a blip on many machines. I was wondering what you think of that.

I did multiple for work. So far they all work great.

I did my HTPC which has been flawless and my wifes system, again flawless.

Only system I did not do an upgrade on was my desktop which I did a clean install as I bought a copy of Pro retail for it since I upgrade often. It has been prefect actually.

The problem is that people who have issues often also have their system in a mess and do not maintain the OS software and driver wise.

 

[Ambular]

So... you use old outdated software and the problem is W10 and not your old outdated software?

@_@, people like you make IT support a nightmare because you're too cheap/afraid upgrade to the latest versions of your software.

You're assuming there is a new, updated version that does everything the OP needs it to do. If developers would stop breaking stuff left and right every time they update, people would be less reluctant to get the new version.

that's the problem with the PC world. there are an infinite number of configurations of hardware and software out there.

just think of how stable and reliable windows would be MS didn't have to worry about keeping backward compatibility with old software/hardware.

I'm just saying, if I could be confident that when I update my software it would fix OS compatibility issues, security vulnerabilities and bugs, but leave the UI and existing features alone, virtually every piece of software I own would be completely up to date right now. Most of them are anyway, but a few break things so often and so badly that I finally gave up and disabled their updaters. That isn't usually Windows' fault, but it does contribute to the problem.

Things change. In software, with few exceptions, for the better. UI/UX can't be left alone forever. They evolve aswell. The simple fact that you do not update your software.. i'm gonna stop here. Do you also disable Windows update?

Three programs out of 104 installed, according to Secunia PSI. I do check from time to time to see if a new version/extension/etc. has fixed something mission-critical that got axed, and if it has, then I do update. I've had that happen with Firefox several times now.

No, Windows Update is not disabled. It's set to inform me when updates are available, and I review them each month, look up what they actually do since Microsoft so helpfully decided not to provide that information anymore, and install mainly the security updates. These days most other things get hidden (I don't have Silverlight installed at all, or anything to do with GWX.)

 

[Girl_Downunder]

Well, interesting topic...and of course, differing opinions. I'll add my two cents. I have been running 10 (developers) as a clean install on a Toshiba laptop (i3, a few years old). No real issues, but don't notice it being any zippier than running 7 (as some state seeing).

For the rest that I see (& must fix)-- these are the upgrades. I have more problems than not. Things are broken from the start (start button, task bar, apps, wifi, sound, video...), programs removed and not compatible, or "roll-backs" are also corrupt (Win 10 rollback breaks Windows update). I'm basing this on roughly 10 units, per month. Probably the biggest issue, however, is how MS is attempting to "foist" 10 onto people without them wanting the thing. I have so many people saying they're quite happy with their 7/8/8.1, but that they are constantly hounded by the "get 10" pop-up...until eventually it simply says, "installing in"...with a countdown! Not cool.

I realize MS wants to only have to support one OS & doesn't want 7 to become another XP, but the pop-up & forced (recommended update) install of 10 is ridiculous & extremely heavy-handed, imho.

 

[asgard1123]

I have not had an operating system that has not had a problem, most of them minor, cured either by a new release, myself or internet friends. The latest release crashed the system twice and I had to roll back to the previous version. Operating systems are by their very nature complex and one should not judge to harshly minor teething problems. This does not mean that we should let Microsoft get away with obvious stupidities like doubling the amount of mouse clicks to do the same job as you did in previous versions. The lock screen at the beginning annoys me. Why do you have to click on the screen to bring up the login boxes? You have to login so why not just bring up the login box immediately.

Windows 10 might have gone the same way as Vista because of poor implementation except that it is offered as a free upgrade. I am waiting for the other penny to drop when we find out what the annual subscription will be to keep it.

 

[Hlsgsz]

I have not had an operating system that has not had a problem, most of them minor, cured either by a new release, myself or internet friends. The latest release crashed the system twice and I had to roll back to the previous version. Operating systems are by their very nature complex and one should not judge to harshly minor teething problems. This does not mean that we should let Microsoft get away with obvious stupidities like doubling the amount of mouse clicks to do the same job as you did in previous versions. The lock screen at the beginning annoys me. Why do you have to click on the screen to bring up the login boxes? You have to login so why not just bring up the login box immediately.

Windows 10 might have gone the same way as Vista because of poor implementation except that it is offered as a free upgrade. I am waiting for the other penny to drop when we find out what the annual subscription will be to keep it.

http://windows.wonderhowto.com/how-to/disable-lock-screen-windows-10-0162965/ 😉

 

[asgard1123]

Hlsgz

Thanks. had to do it via regedit.

 

[bifutake]

For me, there was a single but crucial reason why I had to go back to Win7. My WiFi adapter (Airlive WL-1600USB) doesn't work under Win10. I've somehow managed to install the drivers under compatibility mode but even after several restarts, Win10 simply wouldn't recognize them. Ethernet cable is not an option, unfortunately.

 

[Hlsgsz]

For me, there was a single but crucial reason why I had to go back to Win7. My WiFi adapter (Airlive WL-1600USB) doesn't work under Win10. I've somehow managed to install the drivers under compatibility mode but even after several restarts, Win10 simply wouldn't recognize them. Ethernet cable is not an option, unfortunately.

i'd much rather get a new adapter(one with n support, maybe?) or, better yet, some powerline adapters if cable is out of the question than do that 😉

 

[bicycle_repair_man]

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I have Windows 10 Home on two computers and it runs just fine. Automatic driver updates and advertising can (and should) be disabled.

Chances are Microsoft was already collecting data with Windows 7 and 8.1. Again, if you don't like it, it can be toned down.

 

[Hlsgsz]

I think this is settled: if one thinks W10 is bad and/or doesn't "like it", one should probably just get a mac and be done with it

 

[tominsac]

Windows 10 is a good OS, the only problem with it is Edge. Memory leak

 

[Wayfall]

Window 10 is pretty much spyware, I'm sticking to my Windows 7 for as long as possible.

 

[Hlsgsz]

Window 10 is pretty much spyware, I'm sticking to my Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Yeah, cuz it's well beyond the call of duty to add some entries to the hosts file and/or run a couple of ready-made programs. Better wait until the first DX12 game you really want to play comes out so you can pay MS for what's beeing offered for free now.

 

[Kiril_Petkov]

If I could add some comment to this :
1. Every good IT administrator will never ever apply new OS before it was tested to last program you are running on the current OS.
2. Most administrators will wait for the first SP1 that will fix the most problems after the release.
3. There will be always some HW/SW that will have some issues or wont work on the new OS, that is why you should find workaround or address the issue to more experience ppl.
4. For me personally I install Windows 10 beta on my VM and after some test decide to wait untill MS fix most of the Win10 OS problems before even test it again on my VM. When the day comes and Windows 7 is not more support (2020 I think) and if MS is still have that many issues with Win10 I could aways install some Linux.

To use Windows for OS is your choose no one force you.

 

[Hlsgsz]

If I could add some comment to this :
1. Every good IT administrator will never ever apply new OS before it was tested to last program you are running on the current OS.
2. Most administrators will wait for the first SP1 that will fix the most problems after the release.
3. There will be always some HW/SW that will have some issues or wont work on the new OS, that is why you should find workaround or address the issue to more experience ppl.
4. For me personally I install Windows 10 beta on my VM and after some test decide to wait untill MS fix most of the Win10 OS problems before even test it again on my VM. When the day comes and Windows 7 is not more support (2020 I think) and if MS is still have that many issues with Win10 I could aways install some Linux.

To use Windows for OS is your choose no one force you.

Windows 10 beta is a long time ago. Now it's well past what one would consider an "SP1" equivalent and quite a polished OS.

 

[USAFRet]

If I could add some comment to this :
1. Every good IT administrator will never ever apply new OS before it was tested to last program you are running on the current OS.
2. Most administrators will wait for the first SP1 that will fix the most problems after the release.
3. There will be always some HW/SW that will have some issues or wont work on the new OS, that is why you should find workaround or address the issue to more experience ppl.
4. For me personally I install Windows 10 beta on my VM and after some test decide to wait untill MS fix most of the Win10 OS problems before even test it again on my VM. When the day comes and Windows 7 is not more support (2020 I think) and if MS is still have that many issues with Win10 I could aways install some Linux.

To use Windows for OS is your choose no one force you.

Windows 10 beta is a long time ago. Now it's well past what one would consider an "SP1" equivalent and quite a polished OS.

Right. The 'SP1' equivalent was the November release, v1511.

 

[Wayfall]

You never know maybe Windows 10 may become the Skynet we saw n Terminator, you never know. I kind of rather find is scary the amount of info they legally steal off you.

 

[USAFRet]

You never know maybe Windows 10 may become the Skynet we saw n Terminator, you never know. I kind of rather find is scary the amount of info they legally steal off you.

Then you should be REALLY worried about your cell phone provider.

 

[Hlsgsz]

You never know maybe Windows 10 may become the Skynet we saw n Terminator, you never know. I kind of rather find is scary the amount of info they legally steal off you.

Then you should be REALLY worried about your cell phone provider.

Indeed! Not mention your credit card companies. They know you're getting a divorce 6 months before you and your spouse do these days )