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paulj

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Actually their military technology is far from the US. Most of their military is ancient technology although that is changing. There biggest threat is still their sheer manpower.

On a side note. Their current military buildup is being funded by our purchasing of Chinese products. Kind of ironic that they would threaten to bomb Los Angeles. That's why I refuse to buy Chinese products. It just strikes me as odd that a country that so many US industries invest in would threaten that very country. Hmmm.
 
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Well that's how China is i guest, it's all abouth stabing you in the back.

I did say that U.S have done great things in the past ( not that much ignorant after-all), but they do take advantage of some contry.

As for the Florida and Carolinas; Well that's normal, IT'S YOUR CONTRY!!!!!!
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"Actually their military technology is far from the US. Most of their military is ancient technology although that is changing."

Dont FU*K with my words again, I said there MILITARY POWER!!! was not far from the U.S. Cuz for the tech they basicly still tink that crashing a airplane on a Aircraft-carier is still the best way to take it down. ( But let me tink abouth it,YEAS YEAS it is the best way!!!! :eek:)
 
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> Hmmm is it Sweden or Switzerland that reportedly has the highest living standard? <

I know that Sweden is up there, and led by the social democrat party, so that's probably what you're thinking of.

To mwebster:
> A final mark for your history remember that the UK was once ([-peep-] that was long ago) the owner of most of the world but being British they just kind of let it go/lost it over time (mainly cos they didn't like actually fighting ppl who had weapons), always watch for the same signs in the USA. <

The British got killified in World War 2 and had no money to maintain their empire. America has no interest. Today's citizens want America to take a step back from the world stage, rather than trying to force ourselves on it.

To everybody that says America is the best because we saved the world in 1945: get a life. That was 1945. This is 2001. The world is not dependent on what we did over 50 years ago. We did alot of great things between 1940 and 1990, basically winning WW2 and the Cold War for our side. However, that does not make us the most important force in the world. Then, yeah, it did. But now, not necessarily.

Finally, SammyBoy: great post.
 
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I agree the US does help many of other nations in time of crisis, but you are not the only country that does so, and as for the assistance of other conflicts, all countries involved usually have some vested interest in the area.
i.e. everyone wanted to save Kuwait but was it for love or for oil??
However I am not so sure about Bosnia.....

On the aid issue, had you have needed some assistance I am sure that many of the other developed countries would have leapt up to help.....

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"As for the Florida and Carolinas; Well that's normal, IT'S YOUR CONTRY!!!!!!"
That doesn't matter. We help other countries. That is my point. I personally don't understand why some people despise the US, unless you are in Iraq or somewhere like that. Actually we have sent much in the way of food and medicine support to them also. hmmmm.

mwebster you make a good point. I suppose if countries thought we needed help there would be some that would do so.

"I said there MILITARY POWER" In large part technology is power. None the less neither their technology or their power compare to the US. Given time it may.

Sorry if you thought that I was flaming you. It was not my intention to anger you. I am just patriotic.
 

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Well said sammyboy!!!!

If you think we're worried about China, you don't know what's going on. I saw a 40 year old plane (that we haven't flown in 30 years) & a Hot Dog pilot that didn't even have a G-suit on to actually do battle with in a jet, run into our spy plane & crash. The rulers didn't know what was going on, the Military had jumped out into a mess they couldn't handle. It took a few days for the Chineese rulers to even find out from there Military what they had done. Then a couple of days for the rulers to get the Military back under control & settle things. I'll tell you what, in those few days if we went in there, it would have already been over. They would have been trying to dig holes in the ground to hide there planes just like Sadam had to do, or there air force would have been history in less than 24 hours. As for arms, they don't even have enough rifles to arm ther troops. All they have is a whole lot of bodies to try & stand up to us. China won't have a billion people for long, if they try that.

I think the the rest of the world has forgotten the will of the American People. Because we are free, we think different & act different & have different opinions than most around the world. However once something happens like Pearl Harbor you will see all of America coming from one front & no one is going to stand up to that. The British couldn't during the forming of our nation. Europe couldn't do it either during WW1 & WW2. Samdam couldn't do nothing but hide & he's still hidding. China talks about Waking the sleeping Giant to fulfill there Dynasty???? The Sleeping Giant Is here in the good Ole USA & China has no clue about it. I've never heard of 1 Europian or any other country that has the means, the will & the guts to take on China!!! Nope!!! The rest of the world will keep a low profile & try & remain neutral & then say they had a hand in it !!! Enough said!!!

Myself, I fought in the Viet Nam war. I have Sons old enough to go to war right now. Do I want to see war?? No way!!! DO I see anybody else in the world to step up to the plate & take a swing at China?? No Way?? So I'll probably send my son's to war & let the rest of the world set on ther hands. But you know what, I'll thank my sons & the rest of my friends sons & daughters for keeping the world safe, & at least my country, the freest in the world, bar none!!!

I've traveled the world, lived in a lot of countries, 3rd world & civilized countries such as Europe, so I do have some insite how it is in the world. If you've never traveled to other countries around the world, you don't know what your talking about. It's one thing to talk the talk, but another to walk the walk. I hated to go on the rant, but after 3 or 4 days of this I had to say something.

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Thank you both, rcpilot and dutch, for liking my post. I would like to add, since mentally I was not awake late last night, is that China will be a world power, no doubt about it. China will slowly change from its current communism/free trade government to a more socialist form. This will be forced upon it by both the US and the EU, as both are adament about China cleaning up its human rights record. Now, China, just because of it's size, presents a formidable foe to any nation or coalition. With one sixth of the world's population, just giving ever man a rifle will dwarf the US's forces. But what China lacks right now are political and military allies that can make its lack of technology and training seem meaningless. Because of that, China is required to grow up and face the world as a non-communist country in order to create any lasting ties. China, I don't believe, see this, and refuse to play along.

As the self-styled cusodians of the world order, America believes that we need to push them with everything we can. Right now, it is Taiwan. It may seem ogre-ish to people outside of the US (or even those within), but it really is the only weak spot that China has that outside influences can use to force a change. Now, the missile shield (a misguided, expensive, and unlikely to succeed project) is being used to prod China (and the spy planes), but the US doesn't seem to understand that our closest allies see the shield as a waste of time and something that will only widen the gap between the industialized world and everyone else.

Places like Iraq, India, Pakistan, China, and Lybia will not attack with missiles, because they all know that a) The US, will retaliate with it's own, and given the number of our missiles, they will be destroyed, and b) Even, if through the chance of a miraculous decision of the military not to strike back, that country will have destroyed itself in the world community. They will be condemed and eventually overthrown by someone. Those countries have a better chance at striking us with biological warfare, chemical warfare, or even a nuclear bomb, all of which would have to be hidden in a suitcase or something, smuggled into the US, planted, and detonated, all without the US or world tracing the terrorist attack back to the funding/supporting country. While is sounds more difficult, it is more likely, and much easier than lanching a missile, which will be seen by everyone, traced back to the source, and also requires the technology to be developed/stolen.

So, I'm pretty much saying that the US has much to fear, but we are not looking in the right directions. We see the obvious threats but fail to see the subtle ones. We rely on our past glories to protect us from tomorrow's atrocities. The US, a wonderful country with (mostly) wonderful people, may soon go the way of the Romans if we do not set ourselves straight, and that does not mean we must withdraw from the world, but that we must quit painting a target over every square inch of the land we tread. That will come by eliminating the "My country is better than your country," attitude that prevades our politics. Red-fever is done with, the commies won't kill us in out sleep, and they certainly won't take over the world. The US must look out for it's own interests now, as opposed to what it thinks it's interests are (i.e. The transfer of Taiwan to China). Our interests are the safety of our citizens abroad, the stability of our country, and the support of our current allies. Nothing is accomplished by bullying your friends, and the US will cause nothing be problems if it continues its insistance that the world follow our lead. There is a such thing as quiet inspiration, and that is worth much more than loud insistance about world affairs. Just think of the influence the US could have by working behind the scenes and keeping the old Red-fever rhetoric to a minimum.

-SammyBoy

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I'm trying to remember... seems it was John Belushi that said it best...
"if it weren't for the US, you'd all be speaking German!!"
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anyways, take this I hate US/France/Britain/China bull and focus it on Canada!!
remember, Kyle's mom said blame Canada!!

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74merc

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I never said the quote was accurate, I'm not getting in this my country is better than yours pissing contest.


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So, I'm pretty much saying that the US has much to fear, but we are not looking in the right directions. We see the obvious threats but fail to see the subtle ones. We rely on our past glories to protect us from tomorrow's atrocities. The US, a wonderful country with (mostly) wonderful people, may soon go the way of the Romans if we do not set ourselves straight, and that does not mean we must withdraw from the world, but that we must quit painting a target over every square inch of the land we tread. That will come by eliminating the "My country is better than your country," attitude that prevades our politics. Red-fever is done with, the commies won't kill us in out sleep, and they certainly won't take over the world. The US must look out for it's own interests now, as opposed to what it thinks it's interests are (i.e. The transfer of Taiwan to China). Our interests are the safety of our citizens abroad, the stability of our country, and the support of our current allies. Nothing is accomplished by bullying your friends, and the US will cause nothing be problems if it continues its insistance that the world follow our lead. There is a such thing as quiet inspiration, and that is worth much more than loud insistance about world affairs. Just think of the influence the US could have by working behind the scenes and keeping the old Red-fever rhetoric to a minimum.


Alright, I feel complained to explain the general "anti-Americanism" that seems to permeate the world. BTW, for perspective on my words, I am a 19-year of Nigerian, who has had the chance to live in a American college environment for a year. Half my life has been spent in 3 other African countries other Nigeria.


Most of the "anti-American" sentiment is NOT directed at the "average Joe”. In reality, it is directed at the attitude(s) that your federal GOVERNMENT prances around with wherever it goes. It is this "bragging", "pompous", "isolationist", "self-centered"(think "self-interest") and many other negative attitudes that has lead to the need of your embassies to become fortresses, packed with more security than the best, "top security" prisons in the States.

Whenever a discussion such as this comes up, America's involvement in "saving" the world is ALWAYS mentioned. True, I admit, without America the WORLD would most likely have been taken over by the Nazi's and their allies--plus the fact that Pearl Harbor was bombed. Please note I said, the "the WORLD would most likely have taken over". As someone had earlier mentioned, your government and politicians all along wanted to get in WWII, but the public opinion against such an action was so great that they dare not even suggest it.

Now, let me explain my "the WORLD would most likely have taken over" comment. If the USA had maintained their isolationist stance, Germany would logically have continued on to take over Russia, followed by Great Britain, and surely the rest of the world, with Japan's helping had, of course. It seems that the USA "joined the fun" at the most critical time; if Britain had fallen, chances are all the might of the USA could not have helped them put Hitler in his place.

Now I am sure that you'll agree with my hypothesis. The USA had to join the world, or it would have ended up being the ONLY free world. Part of the willingness of your politicians and your government to join was due to their understanding that they ALONE could not have faced a German army. This would be a German army with all the production facilities and resources of EUROPE, RUSSIA, and NORTHERN AFRICA. The production facilities and resources of these combined areas would have provided the Germans with all they would have needed in their quest to "rule the world."

Back to "anti-Americanism". We do not deplore your good actions. Not a single one of them! The opposite is true. What we do not like is your, "We are the best" attitude that is never far behind your helping hand. To those of us on the outside, nothing the America government does is free of the American "bragging", "pompous", "isolationist", "self-centered"(think "self-interest") attitude. It is this attitude, even on-line, that gives rise to the majority of anti-American sentiment.

A side note: I would like to add that the inability of the American federal govt. to say they are WRONG or "SORRY" reflects badly in the eyes of many. No apologies--correction, no PULIC OFFICIAL apologies were EVER pronounced for the incidents of wrongful bombing in Libya(signed by Clinton 2 years ago?) and that of the Chinese embassy in Bosnia.


And a final note: This is by far NOT a complete post or fully developed idea, but I hope you'll forgive that. <font color=red>I'll also like you to realize that many of my statements are generalities and thus follow the rule of generalities: There are always exceptions.</font color=red> Kindly remember this when you flame me. Thanks.


A nice day to all.
 

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We arn't the center of the Universe?

-Alpha
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I'm sorry. I'm not very patriotic, but no there are not a dozen countries that could obliterate us. Or they would have. Who has the man power? Russia? We would just have to hand any of their solders a sandwich and they would drop their guns. Who the French... they would run away at the first sign of blood. The Chinese...maybe.. with all those angst ridden teenage males maybe, but we have better and more bombs....I could go on, but you get the point.

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"We arn't the center of the Universe?"

sorry, no.

i'm even more sorry that my hand was in the starting of this debate.

surely SOMEBODY has something nice to say, like

"Dear Meltdown, I honor the memory of my country's fallen soldiers. ANZAC day should never be forgoten!"




however, we all start at the end and finish at the begining