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Atoms are what make up matter. If something is solid it is made up of atoms. Whether the stick ripples, compresses or whatever doesnt matter, its how long or if the force of impact is felt at the ship if the length of the stick is 1 light year long.
 
Atoms are what make up matter. If something is solid it is made up of atoms. Whether the stick ripples, compresses or whatever doesnt matter, its how long or if the force of impact is felt at the ship if the length of the stick is 1 light year long.
It can be liquid or gas too. And according to quantum mechanics, anything that is matter is also a wave.
 
Atoms are what make up matter. If something is solid it is made up of atoms. Whether the stick ripples, compresses or whatever doesnt matter, its how long or if the force of impact is felt at the ship if the length of the stick is 1 light year long.

I know atoms make up everything including solids. I'm just saying hypotheticaly speaking imaging a stick with no weak points and is one light year long... if it has no weak point it shouldn't deform, possibly compress but that would all be enertia compressing it so i'm wondering if inertia can do that or will it just have to defy einstein and hit the brick wall as you push it?
 
Liquid and gas both fall under the category of matter. According to quantum mechanics the substance is still considered matter. If you take apart an atom you get neutrons/electrons/protons etc... Like I said before what the stick is made of doesnt matter until it is specified what its made of. Then it is a matter of calculated the mass of the stick and working through the other variables to finally come to a conclusion on this question. Understanding quantum mechanics isn't needed to answer his question. String theory says that all matter is a series of vibrations from these things called super strings, each part vibrates in a way to allign matter into various states solid, liquid, gas and everythign in between. This however is only one theory when it comes to quantum physics and it is no better than the others, however people like it because it can work and be proven if boson's are detected in the new particle accelerator in europe. Until then its nice but in no case is it relavent to his question.
 
Someone please suggest a new topic to discuss.

You don't like my question? It was just one that would take a bit longer to answer than the last one.

eric54:

String theory / quantum mechanics are probably a little more in depth than is necessary for this discussion. That is unless you're postulating a different topic of discussion (e.g. 10 vs 26 dimensional theory or something) but I think that will be beyond the ridiculousness of this thread and beyond the capacities of most users here (myself included).


Jeez you guys, keep on topic! 😱
 
Liquid and gas both fall under the category of matter. According to quantum mechanics the substance is still considered matter. If you take apart an atom you get neutrons/electrons/protons etc... Like I said before what the stick is made of doesnt matter until it is specified what its made of. Then it is a matter of calculated the mass of the stick and working through the other variables to finally come to a conclusion on this question. Understanding quantum mechanics isn't needed to answer his question. String theory says that all matter is a series of vibrations from these things called super strings, each part vibrates in a way to allign matter into various states solid, liquid, gas and everythign in between. This however is only one theory when it comes to quantum physics and it is no better than the others, however people like it because it can work and be proven if boson's are detected in the new particle accelerator in europe. Until then its nice but in no case is it relavent to his question.
I never read his question, I just returned to this thread to see how many more pages of crap have been created since last time a was here. It seems weve added another 7 or so in about a week :lol:
 
Atoms are what make up matter. If something is solid it is made up of atoms. Whether the stick ripples, compresses or whatever doesnt matter, its how long or if the force of impact is felt at the ship if the length of the stick is 1 light year long.

I know atoms make up everything including solids. I'm just saying hypotheticaly speaking imaging a stick with no weak points and is one light year long... if it has no weak point it shouldn't deform, possibly compress but that would all be enertia compressing it so i'm wondering if inertia can do that or will it just have to defy einstein and hit the brick wall as you push it?

So you're basically asking when the signal gets to the ship that they have hit a brick wall? Either way, the stick being a light year long is just a distance, the rate the signal travels through the stick is equal to the impact force, mass times velocity. Assuming that the force doesnt slow as it travels through the stick than take that value and divide it into the length of the stick 1.2284064^13 Miles . To simplify it lets make the stick weigh one kilogram and have it conduct the force of impact perfectly from one end to the other. The force travels at 10,000Km/h back to the ship. The ship is not moving anymore because it has hit a brick wall. However, the back of the ship, like the rest of it, was moving at 10,000 km/h so the ship would indeed implode back to front with the two forces meeting in the middle of the stick, both forces would hit each other with equal force. So all in all everyone onboard dies. If the ship too is indestructable like the stick than the ship would have to have been able to absorb the entire impact, therefore the ship would be intact but everyone inside would continue to move at 10,000km/h. My guess is a very large mop would be needed to clean the crushed bodies strewn about in the front of the ship. The force would lead from the back of the ship to the wall with the force from the wall meeting the force from the ship somewhere in the middle of the giant stick. I think they might even reflect off each other and the force would bouce back and forth forever since the stick nor the ship absorb any of the shock. Of course none of this is possible but there is your explanation.
 
er... wth? hey did necro guy - original author ever get a power cord? dang last I left this thread, page 14, there was some on-topic discussion.
now quantum physics?

so, does THG forum rise or lower in rep and prestige because of this threadthatwontdie
 
Atoms are what make up matter. If something is solid it is made up of atoms. Whether the stick ripples, compresses or whatever doesnt matter, its how long or if the force of impact is felt at the ship if the length of the stick is 1 light year long.

I know atoms make up everything including solids. I'm just saying hypotheticaly speaking imaging a stick with no weak points and is one light year long... if it has no weak point it shouldn't deform, possibly compress but that would all be enertia compressing it so i'm wondering if inertia can do that or will it just have to defy einstein and hit the brick wall as you push it?

So you're basically asking when the signal gets to the ship that they have hit a brick wall? Either way, the stick being a light year long is just a distance, the rate the signal travels through the stick is equal to the impact force, mass times velocity. Assuming that the force doesnt slow as it travels through the stick than take that value and divide it into the length of the stick 1.2284064^13 Miles . To simplify it lets make the stick weigh one kilogram and have it conduct the force of impact perfectly from one end to the other. The force travels at 10,000Km/h back to the ship. The ship is not moving anymore because it has hit a brick wall. However, the back of the ship, like the rest of it, was moving at 10,000 km/h so the ship would indeed implode back to front with the two forces meeting in the middle of the stick, both forces would hit each other with equal force. So all in all everyone onboard dies. If the ship too is indestructable like the stick than the ship would have to have been able to absorb the entire impact, therefore the ship would be intact but everyone inside would continue to move at 10,000km/h. My guess is a very large mop would be needed to clean the crushed bodies strewn about in the front of the ship. The force would lead from the back of the ship to the wall with the force from the wall meeting the force from the ship somewhere in the middle of the giant stick. I think they might even reflect off each other and the force would bouce back and forth forever since the stick nor the ship absorb any of the shock. Of course none of this is possible but there is your explanation.

I don't mean like a hitting/impact against the stick to make it move though. Say the stick is just moving and is incompressable and impacts the wall. It should if all the force is disspated into the stick bounce back and be able to be percieved at both ends at the same time however according to science its impossible so i'm wondering why that is. I think i remember the theory of relativity and stuff but i can't remeber clearly enough.

I've got another situation. A stick just like my other one which can't be deformed is fixed at one end to a rotating point. The stick won't bend so will the end move at the same time as the base if it is one light year long or longer?
 
It is velocity that matters not length. Even if the stick was infinately long both ends would percieve the shock/rotation. It's not like the stick is rotating faster than light nor is it moving at the speed of light. The mode of communication is the reason why Einstein says that time doesnt travel faster than time. It is far simpler than you may think. If you accept that time is the speed limit of everything in the universe, and time is part of the universe than nothing can travel faster than time. If you exceed the speed of time than you are watching time pass. So you percieve time proportianlly slower than the speed you are exceeding it by. Anyway, the stick rotates the same rate at both ends. Just like the sun orbits the center of the universe. I assure you that that distance far exceeds what this hypothetical situation is about. If the suns orbits the center of the universe than you could draw a line from that point to the sun, because this is possible than distance must not mean anything.
 
I can't think of anything else....my IQ and EQ's declining by time.....need help....
Because of this thread, I don't have an IQ (intelligence quotient) anymore. I now have an IS (intelligence shortage).

Drat! I killed another kitten....poor kitty. :cry: :cry: :cry: ...
DIE KITTY DIE!!!!!! (I hate them, used to live with people that had 22 of them, what an odour)

On the stick thing, an asteroid probably hit it somwhere along the line and it's gone now forget about the damn stick.
 
Atoms are what make up matter. If something is solid it is made up of atoms. Whether the stick ripples, compresses or whatever doesnt matter, its how long or if the force of impact is felt at the ship if the length of the stick is 1 light year long.

I know atoms make up everything including solids. I'm just saying hypotheticaly speaking imaging a stick with no weak points and is one light year long... if it has no weak point it shouldn't deform, possibly compress but that would all be enertia compressing it so i'm wondering if inertia can do that or will it just have to defy einstein and hit the brick wall as you push it?

So you're basically asking when the signal gets to the ship that they have hit a brick wall? Either way, the stick being a light year long is just a distance, the rate the signal travels through the stick is equal to the impact force, mass times velocity. Assuming that the force doesnt slow as it travels through the stick than take that value and divide it into the length of the stick 1.2284064^13 Miles . To simplify it lets make the stick weigh one kilogram and have it conduct the force of impact perfectly from one end to the other. The force travels at 10,000Km/h back to the ship. The ship is not moving anymore because it has hit a brick wall. However, the back of the ship, like the rest of it, was moving at 10,000 km/h so the ship would indeed implode back to front with the two forces meeting in the middle of the stick, both forces would hit each other with equal force. So all in all everyone onboard dies. If the ship too is indestructable like the stick than the ship would have to have been able to absorb the entire impact, therefore the ship would be intact but everyone inside would continue to move at 10,000km/h. My guess is a very large mop would be needed to clean the crushed bodies strewn about in the front of the ship. The force would lead from the back of the ship to the wall with the force from the wall meeting the force from the ship somewhere in the middle of the giant stick. I think they might even reflect off each other and the force would bouce back and forth forever since the stick nor the ship absorb any of the shock. Of course none of this is possible but there is your explanation.

I don't mean like a hitting/impact against the stick to make it move though. Say the stick is just moving and is incompressable and impacts the wall. It should if all the force is disspated into the stick bounce back and be able to be percieved at both ends at the same time however according to science its impossible so i'm wondering why that is. I think i remember the theory of relativity and stuff but i can't remeber clearly enough.

I've got another situation. A stick just like my other one which can't be deformed is fixed at one end to a rotating point. The stick won't bend so will the end move at the same time as the base if it is one light year long or longer?

Interestingly enough, that exact rotation idea came up in the same conversation as the rocket/stick/brick wall.

I guess it comes down to the fact that only at these extreme distances and extreme velocities (relatively extreme of course) do we really start to see different properties of relativity present themselves in a way that is general imperceptible to us.

For example if the stick is spinning at say 1 revolution per second, then the end point of the stick would be moving greater than the speed of light (3.14*(1 light year^2)). This, according to relativity, is impossible. So what does this unbenable stick do? I am not entirely sure. Maybe some first or second year physics/engineering students can enlighten me.
 
TGForumz can only increase it's reputation in this manner. Because, there is no category such as brainstorming, this thread is an excellent place to do it. Let's for a while, forget about voltages, fsb, software, e.t.c. Maybe a new idea will be born out of this discussions.

Do You agree?
 
My fsb is 1029390923 overclocked with no power, operating at 1232343215 GHZ and all europe dont have power when i power the beast and start to play solatire at 154365456356 * 423523626532562 with refresh of 453252346265564 Hz.

Do i need to buy a better power supply bcs i cant run notepad it glitchs?
😳

I'm new in all of this.
 
My fsb is 1029390923 overclocked with no power, operating at 1232343215 GHZ and all europe dont have power when i power the beast and start to play solatire at 154365456356 * 423523626532562 with refresh of 453252346265564 Hz.

Do i need to buy a better power supply bcs i cant run notepad it glitchs?
😳

I'm new in all of this.


This question conforms with the politics of this thread. It will not be taken into account nor any kind of replies are allowed regarding it.
 
I could not stand it anymore.......
I had to be apart of the madness......

Remember.. There are no stupid questions only stupid people....

(i.e...The dolt that started this madness)
 
Too many posts were added since the last time I was able to log in.

The last thing I read was why would it be impossible to for a stick to not compress when hitting the brick wall.


Because any object stick or w/e is made of smaller peices called atoms. The space between atoms is very large but the force keeping the atoms the right distance away (or together) is much much stronger then gravity. But in either case, since there is plenty of room to squeze the atoms together (and thus, compress the object) in any material, even a rock/brick. However, because rocks and bricks are very dense, they will usualy break before they compress.
 
if i were to hock a lugie into space...how long until it reaches the speed of light during an eclipse?


You could not hock one faster then the pull of gravty (9.8/m/s/s). If you started from space, it would freeze right away then burn up as it approched the eclipse. If it was away from the eclipse, it would burn up anyway from the suns energy. If it was nowhere near the suns energy *impossible, then it would continue at the rate at which you hocked it as things do not move faster for no reason. It would however, slow down due to gravitational friction as it passed objects.
 
Isnt NASA supposed to be launching some sort of FTL test in a few years ? something about a mega magnetic feild being fed by super conducting ring or something. I think I remember that the magnetic feild being rotated does something to the ships mass to where it actualy has less then 0 mass (It sort of drops out of this dimension) well anyway I hope it works I sure could use a vacation :)

Edit: I decided to search around for a link (dont laugh its on more reputable sites too lol)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/hyperdrive/
 
Interestingly enough, that exact rotation idea came up in the same conversation as the rocket/stick/brick wall.

I guess it comes down to the fact that only at these extreme distances and extreme velocities (relatively extreme of course) do we really start to see different properties of relativity present themselves in a way that is general imperceptible to us.

For example if the stick is spinning at say 1 revolution per second, then the end point of the stick would be moving greater than the speed of light (3.14*(1 light year^2)). This, according to relativity, is impossible. So what does this unbenable stick do? I am not entirely sure. Maybe some first or second year physics/engineering students can enlighten me.


It couldnt spin at that rate because everything would fly appart first. There are examples of spinning objects that do apear to be spinning faster then light when a dust cloud is a good distance infront of the object, and between us and the object. Of course its just an illusion. We cant create objects that are beyond anything reasonable because then it no longer becomes relevent.


Isnt NASA supposed to be launching some sort of FTL test in a few years ? something about a mega magnetic feild being fed by super conducting ring or something. I think I remember that the magnetic feild being rotated does something to the ships mass to where it actualy has less then 0 mass (It sort of drops out of this dimension) well anyway I hope it works I sure could use a vacation

The magnetic field is subject to friction and thus can not spin faster then light. In super magnetic fields that exsists around pulsars, electrons spin around the magnetic field and emit light at the polls like a flashlight, but there is no mass loss.
 
I'm in the process of reading this through, but in the name of nostalgia: My first computer was an 8088 XT that ran at 4mhz (8mhz on TURBO!) and had 640k of ram. The thing ran frogger like a wet dream, but it couldn't do tetris, not enough video power. The sound was pretty good too, it had over 16 varieties of beep, and the monitor was a breathtaking 12 inches. The thing could store loads of data too, coming in at 60MB while using doublespace in DOS6.0 (my dad's idea, not mine). We didn't need windows because we had Power Menu and Norton Commander. I got excellent FPS on Sopwith Camel and rarely got sprite flashing. Yeah it was a good machine.
 
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